5 Stud Hub Conversion on Chimaera 4.0 for 18 Spider Alloys?

5 Stud Hub Conversion on Chimaera 4.0 for 18 Spider Alloys?

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macdeb

8,511 posts

255 months

Monday 7th March 2011
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st, you got me thinkin' now confusedhehe Anyhow, that's what I have on mine and had the geo checked on Sat' and all is spot on.
PS; for those interested had it corner weighted too and with half tank of fuel car is 1120kg, 51% front 49% rear and with me in it 100% all round.

spend

12,581 posts

251 months

Monday 7th March 2011
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Did you calculate the differences required in the geometry for the changed track and tyre footprint, or just assume that settings within the factory 15/16" specs was OK?

This post is getting opinionated into changing chassis c/l locations due to wheelarch clearances I suspect. I think its thin enough ice comparing between cars, and certainly I get the impression it is one area where there are quite big differences between the Chim & Griff BTW (maybe even moreso at the rear).

macdeb

8,511 posts

255 months

Monday 7th March 2011
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Ah, that's why I had a specialist do it for mehehe Have to say Dave that suspension is a bit of a black art to me.

spend

12,581 posts

251 months

Monday 7th March 2011
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..did the said specialist suffer "computer says" syndrome by any chance? rofl

~ we've even had accounts of reputed specialists making pigs ears of straightforward simple setups - caveat emptor...

floyd12345

125 posts

174 months

Tuesday 8th March 2011
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I gave a friend a hand a while back to fit a set of sportmotive 5 stud converted hubs to his griff to fit a set of spiders. the hubs were basically a plate behind the hub with the 5 studs attached with new holes drilled in the original hub.
looking on eBay you can get 4 to 5 hub converters that bolt to the hub using the original 4 studs i know the pcd is wrong on these but would it be possible to uses this method if you could get some machined up with the right pcd.
He had to fit 4 rear wheels because the fronts would have needed a big spacer to make fit i don't know what size was needed. but is there a reason this would not work using front alloys.

slideways

4,101 posts

221 months

Tuesday 8th March 2011
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floyd12345 said:
I gave a friend a hand a while back to fit a set of sportmotive 5 stud converted hubs to his griff to fit a set of spiders. the hubs were basically a plate behind the hub with the 5 studs attached with new holes drilled in the original hub.
looking on eBay you can get 4 to 5 hub converters that bolt to the hub using the original 4 studs i know the pcd is wrong on these but would it be possible to uses this method if you could get some machined up with the right pcd.
He had to fit 4 rear wheels because the fronts would have needed a big spacer to make fit i don't know what size was needed. but is there a reason this would not work using front alloys.
They don't look quite right to me! the spacer doesn't have a hub centric ring on in,

Bluebottle

3,498 posts

240 months

Tuesday 8th March 2011
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slideways said:
They don't look quite right to me! the spacer doesn't have a hub centric ring on in,
They also appear to be adding a lot of unspring weight to the suspension?

JR

12,722 posts

258 months

Tuesday 8th March 2011
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Bluebottle said:
slideways said:
They don't look quite right to me! the spacer doesn't have a hub centric ring on in,
They also appear to be adding a lot of unspring weight to the suspension?
Plus isn't that 5 stud to 5 stud?

floyd12345

125 posts

174 months

Tuesday 8th March 2011
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the picture is just for reference i mean that type of thing.

spend

12,581 posts

251 months

Tuesday 8th March 2011
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Mmmmmm, old faithful LR to new Chocolate Box Ford LR... what a desirable conversion rofl

JR

12,722 posts

258 months

Tuesday 8th March 2011
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floyd12345 said:
the picture is just for reference i mean that type of thing.
OK to answer your question. The fronts would fit but the offset would be wrong. Fitting a spacer would increase the error not correct it. Fitting rears at the front would correct that. You'd then need an ET45 or thereabouts wheel at the rear. Plus you've got the increase in unsprung weight at all four corners and an increased load on the original studs (close to zero until you factor in manufacturing tolerances.)

CHIMV8

2,768 posts

221 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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slideways said:
I have a set of front et42 and rear 33 if i use the fronts on the rear with a 7mm spacer and rears on the front with an 8mm spacer it balances out perfectly, with 19mm wider inboard and outboard on the front and 13mm equally on the rear
HELP
I have just bought a set or 18" front and rear wheels,do i need to swop round and add spacers,or buy another set of rears and sell the fronts???confused

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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4 or 5 stud ?

QBee

20,984 posts

144 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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Don't panic. Give me a call on 01636676061 and let's talk it through. Before you phone, make a note of any numbers stamped on the wheels (generally inside) and also the tyre sizes fitted. Anthony

QBee

20,984 posts

144 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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They were 5 stud IIRC. Saw them on EBay when you were bidding. They came off a Tuscan? Phazed will know more about the hub conversion than me. I have the offset and tyre size thing fairly straight in my head.

Edited by QBee on Saturday 15th February 14:02

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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QBee said:
They were 5 stud IIRC. Saw them on EBay when you were bidding. They came off a Tuscan? Phazed will know more about the hub conversion than me. I have the offset and tyre size thing fairly straight in my head.

Edited by QBee on Saturday 15th February 14:02
Didn't see your text till late A., ta anyhow.

CHIMV8

2,768 posts

221 months

Saturday 15th February 2014
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CHIMV8

2,768 posts

221 months

Sunday 16th February 2014
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phazed said:
QBee said:
They were 5 stud IIRC. Saw them on EBay when you were bidding. They came off a Tuscan? Phazed will know more about the hub conversion than me. I have the offset and tyre size thing fairly straight in my head.

Edited by QBee on Saturday 15th February 14:02
Didn't see your text till late A., ta anyhow.
Pete where do you get the hubs?

Sportmotive do them, but you have to exchange your 4 stud to get them,and i would like to keep mine in case i need/want to change back

marceli

98 posts

134 months

Sunday 16th February 2014
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CHIMV8 said:
I have just bought a set or 18" front and rear wheels,do i need to swop round and add spacers,or buy another set of rears and sell the fronts???confused
I can make alloy spacers/hubs for You. Please PM me what You got and what You need.

hansdaal

267 posts

267 months

Sunday 16th February 2014
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Hello,

Iám just in the proces of making some 5 stud hub conversion.
If interested contact on hamada@planet.nl

Regards
Hans.