2012 Morgan Plus 8
Discussion
v8will said:
The driver in the picture is their chief designer I believe?
Lovely car.
As has already been said...Lovely car.
RosscoPCole said:
It's on the Talk Morgan and Morgan Car News websites which are pretty accurate with their articles. Also the chap driving it is Matt Humphries who designed the Aeromax, Aero Supersports and the 3 Wheeler.
RichB said:
Chicarito said:
Why would anyone put Ripspeed wheels and silly low profile tyres on a Morgan?
Perhaps because they work absolutly fine on a car built for 2012/13? They look out of place - like a lottery winning council estate dweller has got their hands on it!
Chicarito said:
They may have built the car to work on those wheels, but that's not the point. They look out of place - like a lottery winning council estate dweller has got their hands on it!
Sorry but it's totally my point which is why I chose the word. To me they work both as the correct wheel for a 21stC car with 400bhp and they work visually. One needs to be open minded enough to see past this as a pastiche of a WWII RAF Officer's car and realise it's a very fast, very powerful, modern sports car. 
Lorne! you're back after your little absence after being banned for running multiple personas and log ons? Welcome back 
Firstly, you quote mis-leadingly as ever - top marks for consistency in that respect by the way
- Matthew Parkin is not "MMC Director Sales and Marketing" he was MMC Sales Director and Marketing and left a good while ago. I don't think it would ave detracted too much from your argument anyway if you had quoted correctly, but why let that get in your way when you can apply a slight twist on it??
Secondly, there is no consensus of opinion on the new plus 8 being ugly or having the wrong wheels (and again, posting pictures of the test mule without pointing this out is true to form, attaboy
).
The consensus of opinion, with many Morgan enthusiasts and dealers appears to be that it may be a tad too expensive. One of the most active dealers in selling Morgans told me only yesterday he felt it should have been £75k not the £85k it is, and that it would have sold in buckets to the burgeoning plus 8 potential Market out there. His words, but what does he know, he only has sold, oh I don't know a few hundred or more Morgans in his career.
And as for, "are you buying one" that's rich, coming from you! When did you last buy a Morgan from anyone? I would hazard a guess at 20 years ago plus? So if that's the criteria no Morgan since the one you bought, is worth anything, as you haven't bought one. Go figure? For clarity, I'm not buying a McLaren, doesn't make it an ugly car with the wrong wheels
Anyhow, as always look forward to your posts, and the twisted and sometimes bitter messages contained within; I guess the TVR guys wouldn't play
Firstly, you quote mis-leadingly as ever - top marks for consistency in that respect by the way
- Matthew Parkin is not "MMC Director Sales and Marketing" he was MMC Sales Director and Marketing and left a good while ago. I don't think it would ave detracted too much from your argument anyway if you had quoted correctly, but why let that get in your way when you can apply a slight twist on it??Secondly, there is no consensus of opinion on the new plus 8 being ugly or having the wrong wheels (and again, posting pictures of the test mule without pointing this out is true to form, attaboy
). The consensus of opinion, with many Morgan enthusiasts and dealers appears to be that it may be a tad too expensive. One of the most active dealers in selling Morgans told me only yesterday he felt it should have been £75k not the £85k it is, and that it would have sold in buckets to the burgeoning plus 8 potential Market out there. His words, but what does he know, he only has sold, oh I don't know a few hundred or more Morgans in his career.
And as for, "are you buying one" that's rich, coming from you! When did you last buy a Morgan from anyone? I would hazard a guess at 20 years ago plus? So if that's the criteria no Morgan since the one you bought, is worth anything, as you haven't bought one. Go figure? For clarity, I'm not buying a McLaren, doesn't make it an ugly car with the wrong wheels
Anyhow, as always look forward to your posts, and the twisted and sometimes bitter messages contained within; I guess the TVR guys wouldn't play
Edited by Boshly on Saturday 19th November 12:41
Chicarito said:
Boshly said:
Chicarito said:
Why would anyone put Ripspeed wheels and silly low profile tyres on a Morgan?
Ummm, read my post above yours? Maybe that's the answer You can have 400bhp on smaller wheels with higher profile tyres - the Ferrari 512BB came on 225/70-15s.
Now, of course I appreciate Morgan are putting forward other more classic style elements on this and other of their cars, and I'm well aware that we all have different tastes AND I don't actually like those wheels too much myself. But, I wouldn't dream of having anything but the most modern rubber on my car which is of similar performance parameters (slightly Lardier, but still under 1300Kg's)
RichB said:
Don't worry Plus
t, I'm not overly bothered but at least you've confirmed why I've never been a Morgan owner.
Sorry Rich, please do not judge Morgan owners in general by this individual. As was mentioned above, many of his hydra-headed persona were removed by the Mods for his vituperative posting style in the past, but unfortunately he has again emerged in his role of naysayer-in-chief? t, I'm not overly bothered but at least you've confirmed why I've never been a Morgan owner. 
Please try to ignore him and carry on posting here, like the other Morgan enthusiasts. Incidentally, you should try and come to one of our meetings with one of your cars, I do like the choices and know that you would enjoy the experience.
plushuit said:
Wrong guess again. My last Morgan was delivered to me by the Factory in 2003. Due to the large number of different unoriginal parts fitted in the rebuild there are many in the worldwide Morgan community who wonder if it still entitled to be called a Morgan, or whether it should be regarded as some sort of bitsa or kit car - what do you think? Fair comment?
RichB said:
plushuit said:
You should get out more often. 
Don't worry Plust, I'm not overly bothered but at least you've confirmed why I've never been a Morgan owner. There are many many very pleasant owners
Lorne, let me start by saying I Iove you, no honestly I really love you. Not in a man-sex sort of way of course because neither of us are that way inclined. And I'm sure when we meet eventually (oh we were so close) even though at times I want to wring your neck, there are many many other times when I just want to grab you and give you a big fat kiss! Why? Because you're so much fun and so easy to show for the person you are
And I give you:
. So I sit back and think ok, is it (1) stupidity? Cant be really can it? Or is it (2) sheer ignorance and lack of detail? Well you wouldn't expect it from an ex lawyer; so no, I settle for (3) misquoting for the hell of it as a cheap and snidey way of getting my point across. 
As for the rest, I can't really understand what you are trying to say, it's late over the water so I guess you've been on the sauce?
I was going to pick you up on your other 'misleading' statement regarding your car, but I see Aeroman has already pointed out to all the boys and girls who can bother to read your drivel, that yet agai. You are being economical with the truth.
As for my Morgan history? No secret there, bought my Aero 8 in 2006 and thats when I first got involved. Never had to pretend anything else
See ya, love you
And I give you:
plushuit said:
Nonsense arrives with flourish.
Who is being misleading? "long ago" for you is 2009/10 for the rest of us, long after Matthew, now apparently one of your ex-heros, presented the Aero Super Sport to the world.
You "quote" me as saying 'long ago' but I so clearly say "a good while", quite different and perfectly viable for one or two years ago Boshly said:
Firstly, you quote mis-leadingly as ever - top marks for consistency in that respect by the way - Matthew Parkin is not "MMC Director Sales and Marketing" he was MMC Sales Director and Marketing and left a good while ago.
- Matthew Parkin is not "MMC Director Sales and Marketing" he was MMC Sales Director and Marketing and left a good while ago. Who is being misleading?
"long ago" for you is 2009/10 for the rest of us, long after Matthew, now apparently one of your ex-heros, presented the Aero Super Sport to the world. . So I sit back and think ok, is it (1) stupidity? Cant be really can it? Or is it (2) sheer ignorance and lack of detail? Well you wouldn't expect it from an ex lawyer; so no, I settle for (3) misquoting for the hell of it as a cheap and snidey way of getting my point across. As for the rest, I can't really understand what you are trying to say, it's late over the water so I guess you've been on the sauce?
I was going to pick you up on your other 'misleading' statement regarding your car, but I see Aeroman has already pointed out to all the boys and girls who can bother to read your drivel, that yet agai. You are being economical with the truth.
As for my Morgan history? No secret there, bought my Aero 8 in 2006 and thats when I first got involved. Never had to pretend anything else
See ya, love you
Edited by Boshly on Saturday 19th November 19:05
plushuit said:
Still jealous I see! 
Aeroman, Aeroman,
90% of the "worldwide Morgan community" don't believe AEROs should be "entitled to be called a Morgan". Do you really want to use that as a criteria? (Not to worry, I am not amongst that 90%. Unlike you, I think everything made by Morgan, great or awful, is entitled to be called a "Morgan".)
So far you are the first person I know of who pans the Phoenix. I draw a line before I would say anything sad about any mogger's car no matter what they have. But I am not surprised at you. You fellows will do and say ANYTHING. Happily the MMC and everyone there who lovingly made my car, signed it (149 signatures) indicating they don't agree..and neither did any government, UK or Canadian. But I understand your envy and your spite has always had all tact of an aging shrew scorned. Try to calm down.
It is quite a mog! I am very proud of the car. It is perfect. Despite your offers, I have not the slightest urge to sell it. I am scared to enter a frustrating search for something better every few months. It sours people. Even our friends in common remember you as much sweeter when you had your old Plus 8, all those Aeros ago.
When does your new Aero Plus 8 arrive? Have you found a buyer for your Aero S.S. yet? Hope you don't get stuck long with it like the earlier Aeros you had. I will try to help find it home if you'd like.
BTW, that comedy you guys are playing out on TalkMorgan members windscreens is pitiful to watch. Why don't you tell them the truth?
A response is unnecessary. I'm outta here. This Pistonhead section is still a TalkMorgan referral center. I imagine the big B's indiscrete "in" with PH is the reason it is permitted. But why waste the effort? There can't be more than a couple of dozen people posting on TM anyway.
Wow Lorne, that's the funniest, most spiteful, most fanciful, most fantastical thing I have ever read from you and your many personas Aeroman, Aeroman,
90% of the "worldwide Morgan community" don't believe AEROs should be "entitled to be called a Morgan". Do you really want to use that as a criteria? (Not to worry, I am not amongst that 90%. Unlike you, I think everything made by Morgan, great or awful, is entitled to be called a "Morgan".)So far you are the first person I know of who pans the Phoenix. I draw a line before I would say anything sad about any mogger's car no matter what they have. But I am not surprised at you. You fellows will do and say ANYTHING.
Happily the MMC and everyone there who lovingly made my car, signed it (149 signatures) indicating they don't agree..and neither did any government, UK or Canadian. But I understand your envy and your spite has always had all tact of an aging shrew scorned. Try to calm down.It is quite a mog! I am very proud of the car. It is perfect. Despite your offers, I have not the slightest urge to sell it. I am scared to enter a frustrating search for something better every few months. It sours people. Even our friends in common remember you as much sweeter when you had your old Plus 8, all those Aeros ago.
When does your new Aero Plus 8 arrive? Have you found a buyer for your Aero S.S. yet? Hope you don't get stuck long with it like the earlier Aeros you had. I will try to help find it home if you'd like.
BTW, that comedy you guys are playing out on TalkMorgan members windscreens is pitiful to watch. Why don't you tell them the truth?
A response is unnecessary. I'm outta here. This Pistonhead section is still a TalkMorgan referral center. I imagine the big B's indiscrete "in" with PH is the reason it is permitted. But why waste the effort? There can't be more than a couple of dozen people posting on TM anyway.
Edited by plushuit on Saturday 19th November 18:53
I think I was right in my post above re time of day!That deserves an extra big smacker when we meet
Oh dear.
Most fundamentalists I've seen posting online have at least been concerned with god or the nature of the universe. To be that screwed up by your Morgan factory chassis number is frankly a bit sad..
Now - back to the new plus 8. I couldn't give a monkeys what chassis a Morgan has as long as it is made in Malvern and keeps the factory making more cars in the pics I've seen from the factory this looks like a classic, and most folks will be happy with that. It's not cheap, but that is all relative. I'm sure it will perform incredibly well and I'll look forward to seeing EVO and car drive one in anger.
Edited for spelling, darn iPhone!
Most fundamentalists I've seen posting online have at least been concerned with god or the nature of the universe. To be that screwed up by your Morgan factory chassis number is frankly a bit sad..
Now - back to the new plus 8. I couldn't give a monkeys what chassis a Morgan has as long as it is made in Malvern and keeps the factory making more cars
in the pics I've seen from the factory this looks like a classic, and most folks will be happy with that. It's not cheap, but that is all relative. I'm sure it will perform incredibly well and I'll look forward to seeing EVO and car drive one in anger.Edited for spelling, darn iPhone!
Edited by mr_tony on Saturday 19th November 23:09
A Morgan has to be a Morgan if Morgan produced it in the Morgan factory where all Morgans are built....Doesn't it? So an Aero is a Morgan...surely?
Why don't some people move with the times?
Plus 8 looks great and the somebody mentioned it would look better on Aeromax 19"'s.... Well I'm sure I saw early pictures with those wheels on and everyone thought it looked so wrong.
I think the wheels in the first post look right for the car personally.
Why don't some people move with the times?
Plus 8 looks great and the somebody mentioned it would look better on Aeromax 19"'s.... Well I'm sure I saw early pictures with those wheels on and everyone thought it looked so wrong.
I think the wheels in the first post look right for the car personally.
Good grief chaps, what on earth was the blood letting going on whilst I was looking elsewhere on the site? Its not usually like this!
Incidentally I agree totally with the dealer, the car is picking a fight £10k and really £15k above where it feels "right". Still Mog have to make a profit and they have a pretty good track record of selling their stuff, so Im sure they know what they are doing.
Incidentally I agree totally with the dealer, the car is picking a fight £10k and really £15k above where it feels "right". Still Mog have to make a profit and they have a pretty good track record of selling their stuff, so Im sure they know what they are doing.
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