Morgan Aero Owners Club
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mas3200 said:
Hi cerealsurfer,
Only just looked at your aero on your profile.
Very good colour! - looks similar to mine with mauritius blue paint and stone interior.
What exhausts have you got and other extras?
How does it compare with the cerbera for performance etc?
Cheers, Mark
Only just looked at your aero on your profile.
Very good colour! - looks similar to mine with mauritius blue paint and stone interior.
What exhausts have you got and other extras?
How does it compare with the cerbera for performance etc?
Cheers, Mark
The color is Ferrari Tour De France Blue with butterscotch leather.....
The exhauses are stock as is the rest of the car (from what I am aware)
As for a comparison against the Cerb performance wise......
The stock Aero is noticably slower and down on power. I can easily drive 10/10 ths, slides are easily controlled and you get very little wheelspin even with a quick get away. The Cerb is a not a neck breaker in the way that the aero pulls like a train but the power delivery in the cerb increases massively with engine speed and max power is achieved literally as the engine comes into balance at 6500rpm (roughly 380bhp) where as the Aero's ~300ish BHP does not
From my experience so far the Cerb is also quicker round the bends it seems to have more mechanical grip (probably due to the 255/35's against the Aero's 225/40's)
Anyhow.. I'm looking into an ecu upgrade and maybe some other simple mods to get the power up.
I do have a few niggles though... The speedo is wandering (approx +- 10mph) and the tops of the door window guides do not touch the windscreen rubbers therefore do not seal propperly.. Maybe I need to have a go at the doors again (I've had to tighten them as they had dropped slightly).
Overall, for a car that was in storage for 2 years it's not bad.
Edited to add.... BUT THE AERO IS MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER MADE AND ENGINEERED!!!!!
Edited by cerealsurfer on Tuesday 25th July 11:39
I've been investigating power options myself (although I think I've got a way to go before I can drive the Aero at 10/10ths so it's not top of the list right now)
Speak to Ray West - they can do a tuning job on the engine (ecu) to take it to 320ish - all reversible. They did the Race cars so know what they're doing.
Other option is a supercharger - I'm told it can be done and you're looking at over 400bhp... Would be fun perhaps!
Speak to Ray West - they can do a tuning job on the engine (ecu) to take it to 320ish - all reversible. They did the Race cars so know what they're doing.
Other option is a supercharger - I'm told it can be done and you're looking at over 400bhp... Would be fun perhaps!
mr_tony said:
I've been investigating power options myself (although I think I've got a way to go before I can drive the Aero at 10/10ths so it's not top of the list right now)
Speak to Ray West - they can do a tuning job on the engine (ecu) to take it to 320ish - all reversible. They did the Race cars so know what they're doing.
Other option is a supercharger - I'm told it can be done and you're looking at over 400bhp... Would be fun perhaps!
Speak to Ray West - they can do a tuning job on the engine (ecu) to take it to 320ish - all reversible. They did the Race cars so know what they're doing.
Other option is a supercharger - I'm told it can be done and you're looking at over 400bhp... Would be fun perhaps!
Don't suppose you have any contact details for Ray West? I really want to get the upgrade done prior to the trip as there is a track opportunity.
so need to sort out cost and scheduling etc. 
Edited to add... just contacted www.west-tuning.com/ Tel: 01264 773839 in Thruxton... recommends the ecu... drive in & out in a single day (takes 5 hrs). +28ish BHP and extra 250rpm for £750. Customised map and has done about 15 Aero's so far.....
Edited by cerealsurfer on Tuesday 25th July 14:16
mr_tony said:
Other option is a supercharger - I'm told it can be done and you're looking at over 400bhp... Would be fun perhaps!
I saw that faulks performance were developing one so sent them an e-mail about 4 months ago. They never got back to me, and when I looked again on the website a couple of months back there was nothing on there about aeros.
Their websites not working now and I saw a while back on the noble forum that the owner has been off sick.
I might drop mine down at richard thorne's over winter to get a roll cage and harnesses, and hopefully an ECU upgrade. They seem like they are geared up for the racing teams.
Hi guys
Nice to see some Aero chat.
Interesting to read your Cerb/Aero comparison CS. I am guessing the Aero is easier to drive @ 8/10ths due to the abundance of torque. Not sure how the torque figures compare series I to II but mine is (supposedley) pushing out 333bhp stock & nearer 350bhp with the side exhausts? Remaps normally give better driveability though cant fault my car on that side of things. Also like Mr T I am nowhere near 10/10ths, 8/10ths hairy enough for me at the moment.
BTW the newer cars (Series II onwards?) windows drop as you open them then push up as they close ala BMW convertibles, just wondered if possible to retro fit? Might solve yr problem CS. Also latest car (@ Excel!) has door stays!! my biggest gripe which Mr T has also complained about before. Definitely looking at retro-adjustment/fit!
Lastly, as long as they have space (Christine on hols for 4 weeks) I am definitely going to St Tropez. What a trip in store! Not sure if its CHF500 to join AND CHF500 membership but will be transferring CHF1000 just in case.
3 nights, champagne recep, lunch, dinner, tracktime AND Jacques Laffite? Bargain at €1000 never mind CHF1000. Photos will be posted.
Cheers and looking forward to UK meet
Andy
Nice to see some Aero chat.
Interesting to read your Cerb/Aero comparison CS. I am guessing the Aero is easier to drive @ 8/10ths due to the abundance of torque. Not sure how the torque figures compare series I to II but mine is (supposedley) pushing out 333bhp stock & nearer 350bhp with the side exhausts? Remaps normally give better driveability though cant fault my car on that side of things. Also like Mr T I am nowhere near 10/10ths, 8/10ths hairy enough for me at the moment.
BTW the newer cars (Series II onwards?) windows drop as you open them then push up as they close ala BMW convertibles, just wondered if possible to retro fit? Might solve yr problem CS. Also latest car (@ Excel!) has door stays!! my biggest gripe which Mr T has also complained about before. Definitely looking at retro-adjustment/fit!
Lastly, as long as they have space (Christine on hols for 4 weeks) I am definitely going to St Tropez. What a trip in store! Not sure if its CHF500 to join AND CHF500 membership but will be transferring CHF1000 just in case.
3 nights, champagne recep, lunch, dinner, tracktime AND Jacques Laffite? Bargain at €1000 never mind CHF1000. Photos will be posted.
Cheers and looking forward to UK meet
Andy
Boshly said:
Hi guys
Nice to see some Aero chat.
Interesting to read your Cerb/Aero comparison CS. I am guessing the Aero is easier to drive @ 8/10ths due to the abundance of torque. Not sure how the torque figures compare series I to II but mine is (supposedley) pushing out 333bhp stock & nearer 350bhp with the side exhausts? Remaps normally give better driveability though cant fault my car on that side of things. Also like Mr T I am nowhere near 10/10ths, 8/10ths hairy enough for me at the moment.
BTW the newer cars (Series II onwards?) windows drop as you open them then push up as they close ala BMW convertibles, just wondered if possible to retro fit? Might solve yr problem CS. Also latest car (@ Excel!) has door stays!! my biggest gripe which Mr T has also complained about before. Definitely looking at retro-adjustment/fit!
Lastly, as long as they have space (Christine on hols for 4 weeks) I am definitely going to St Tropez. What a trip in store! Not sure if its CHF500 to join AND CHF500 membership but will be transferring CHF1000 just in case.
3 nights, champagne recep, lunch, dinner, tracktime AND Jacques Laffite? Bargain at €1000 never mind CHF1000. Photos will be posted.
Cheers and looking forward to UK meet
Andy
Nice to see some Aero chat.
Interesting to read your Cerb/Aero comparison CS. I am guessing the Aero is easier to drive @ 8/10ths due to the abundance of torque. Not sure how the torque figures compare series I to II but mine is (supposedley) pushing out 333bhp stock & nearer 350bhp with the side exhausts? Remaps normally give better driveability though cant fault my car on that side of things. Also like Mr T I am nowhere near 10/10ths, 8/10ths hairy enough for me at the moment.
BTW the newer cars (Series II onwards?) windows drop as you open them then push up as they close ala BMW convertibles, just wondered if possible to retro fit? Might solve yr problem CS. Also latest car (@ Excel!) has door stays!! my biggest gripe which Mr T has also complained about before. Definitely looking at retro-adjustment/fit!
Lastly, as long as they have space (Christine on hols for 4 weeks) I am definitely going to St Tropez. What a trip in store! Not sure if its CHF500 to join AND CHF500 membership but will be transferring CHF1000 just in case.
3 nights, champagne recep, lunch, dinner, tracktime AND Jacques Laffite? Bargain at €1000 never mind CHF1000. Photos will be posted.
Cheers and looking forward to UK meet
Andy
Guess I'll be waiting for her to come back then.. I've e-mailed off my application but do not really want to transfer the money into the blue without confirmation of reciept and acceptance etc.
As for the Aero I think just adjusting the door hinges will sort the windows out. As for the power.. the newer cars to push out 333-350ish but both the sports exhaust options and side exits reduce back pressure and subsequently impact the torque output quite significantly. I would be interested to see a Rolling Road graph for the two to see the difference in the engine character.
cerealsurfer said:
As for the power.. the newer cars to push out 333-350ish but both the sports exhaust options and side exits reduce back pressure and subsequently impact the torque output quite significantly. I would be interested to see a Rolling Road graph for the two to see the difference in the engine character.
Hi CS
How does the side exhaust option affect the torque? Are you saying it reduces it or raises it?? Reducing back pressure I guess helps exhaust gasses so makes life easier??
As you can tell I am not a technical guy
Not in a car sense anyway. Cheers
Andy
boshly said:
cerealsurfer said:
As for the power.. the newer cars to push out 333-350ish but both the sports exhaust options and side exits reduce back pressure and subsequently impact the torque output quite significantly. I would be interested to see a Rolling Road graph for the two to see the difference in the engine character.
Hi CS
How does the side exhaust option affect the torque? Are you saying it reduces it or raises it?? Reducing back pressure I guess helps exhaust gasses so makes life easier??
As you can tell I am not a technical guy
Not in a car sense anyway. Cheers
Andy
The side exit exhausts bieng shorter and without rear silencers have a lower backpressure. Whilst this leads to a slightly freer revving engine (because the exhaust gasses flow away from the engine easier) and a slight increase in BHP uaually at the higher end, if you measured before and after on a rolling road you would likeley see a drop in torque across the rev range. On my Cerb it was down by up-to 30ft-lb. A re-map & other mods were required to get it back again.
This is uaually characterised by less swiftness off the line but more of a willingness to keep going at the higher rpm's.
cerealsurfer said:
boshly said:
cerealsurfer said:
As for the power.. the newer cars to push out 333-350ish but both the sports exhaust options and side exits reduce back pressure and subsequently impact the torque output quite significantly. I would be interested to see a Rolling Road graph for the two to see the difference in the engine character.
Hi CS
How does the side exhaust option affect the torque? Are you saying it reduces it or raises it?? Reducing back pressure I guess helps exhaust gasses so makes life easier??
As you can tell I am not a technical guy
Not in a car sense anyway. Cheers
Andy
The side exit exhausts bieng shorter and without rear silencers have a lower backpressure. Whilst this leads to a slightly freer revving engine (because the exhaust gasses flow away from the engine easier) and a slight increase in BHP uaually at the higher end, if you measured before and after on a rolling road you would likeley see a drop in torque across the rev range. On my Cerb it was down by up-to 30ft-lb. A re-map & other mods were required to get it back again.
This is uaually characterised by less swiftness off the line but more of a willingness to keep going at the higher rpm's.
Thanks CS. Looks like a remap may be called for or at least looked into.
Andy
Great to see some posts about Aero's. I have had a Series 1, currently own a Series II and have just ordered a Series III for delivery in AprilMay 2007. My Series 1 had a new hood fitted by the Morgan factory FOC and it was a big improvement on the first hood. In all I beleive there were about 6 different versions of the Series 1 hood.
The Series II hood is much better and overall, the car has had a lot of the rough edges rubbed off and most of the improvements can be retro-fitted, Steve Simmonds is a useful contact.
I would like to get my new car chipped, but have not done any research as yet though will certainly look at the West Tuning site. Look forward to seeing some of you at least in St. Tropez.
Brian
The Series II hood is much better and overall, the car has had a lot of the rough edges rubbed off and most of the improvements can be retro-fitted, Steve Simmonds is a useful contact.
I would like to get my new car chipped, but have not done any research as yet though will certainly look at the West Tuning site. Look forward to seeing some of you at least in St. Tropez.
Brian
Do come join us in Surrey on September 10th if you have the chance!
BTW Brian - were you in Monaco at the end of June?
I saw your car on the A4 one Wednesday morning (I was in the light blue Aero exiting the shell garage just outside Taplow) then not 5 days later, having driven to Monaco (route napoleon etc) I'd parked down on the harbour and was walking back past Miramar when I saw your car zooming back up the hill! Was slightly miffed to know I wasn't the only Aero in Monaco that weekend - but very glad to see someone else driving their car as it should be!!!
BTW Brian - were you in Monaco at the end of June?
I saw your car on the A4 one Wednesday morning (I was in the light blue Aero exiting the shell garage just outside Taplow) then not 5 days later, having driven to Monaco (route napoleon etc) I'd parked down on the harbour and was walking back past Miramar when I saw your car zooming back up the hill! Was slightly miffed to know I wasn't the only Aero in Monaco that weekend - but very glad to see someone else driving their car as it should be!!!
Edited by mr_tony on Wednesday 16th August 10:09
Would love to Rich, but will still be in Nigeria until about the 21st September 2006 for the St. Tropez trip. However, please keep me updated of any future meets as if I am in the country, you can count me in.
Yes, we saw you in Monaco as we were down for the Monaco Morgan meet, we also were surprised to see another Aero in Monaco. You should try it next year, great fun. See www.danicarew.com/morgan, I don't know if next year's details are up yet, but she is the President of the Monaco Club (email: danicarew@yahoo.com).
Are you going to St. Tropez? It would be nice to meet up with some PH Aero owners, maybe travel down or back together?
Yes, we saw you in Monaco as we were down for the Monaco Morgan meet, we also were surprised to see another Aero in Monaco. You should try it next year, great fun. See www.danicarew.com/morgan, I don't know if next year's details are up yet, but she is the President of the Monaco Club (email: danicarew@yahoo.com).
Are you going to St. Tropez? It would be nice to meet up with some PH Aero owners, maybe travel down or back together?
Edited by Aeroman on Thursday 17th August 10:22
Morgan Monaco meet? didn't know such a thing existed otherwise we'd have come along to say hi! Was great to see another Aero in Monaco - just shocked me that I'd seen you only a few days previously on Reading! Thats the thing about the reflex paintjob - I couldn't mistake you for anyone else!
Unfortuantely I can't make St Tropez this time, but I'll be joining the club and I'm looking forward to seeing whats planned next year.
Unfortuantely I can't make St Tropez this time, but I'll be joining the club and I'm looking forward to seeing whats planned next year.
What a pity you didn't know, there was another silver Aero from Switzerland. Casino Square was filled with parked Morgan's on the Saturday and it would have been great if you had been involved. We are definitely going down next year. Sorry to hear you will not be doing St. Trop, maybe as we both live local we can meet up in the UK as I live Windsor area.
Edited by Aeroman on Thursday 17th August 10:37
Would be great to say hi and get a chance to see the multicoloured Aero! I'm regularly over in the Windsor direction as my brother is over Ascot way.
I figure your previous aero (the 'vivid' green one) was the car I saw earlier last year as SGT were 'helping' RT move it on. It was hearing that car that sold me on a sports exhaust!
I figure your previous aero (the 'vivid' green one) was the car I saw earlier last year as SGT were 'helping' RT move it on. It was hearing that car that sold me on a sports exhaust!
Great, I haven't booked my flight back yet but will probably fly-in on about the 23/24th September 2006 (to get ready for the drive down to the South). We can fix to meet somewhere local then.
You are right, the metallic green (VW/Audi Mint Green) Series 1 sold by SGT (helping me and RTCC out!) was mine and the sports exhaust and air-filter really made a big difference to the car. Before they were fitted it was not very happy to rev, but they really opened up the engine and improved the performance enormously. I am sure you must have found the same, as well as enjoying the great V8 sound?
You are right, the metallic green (VW/Audi Mint Green) Series 1 sold by SGT (helping me and RTCC out!) was mine and the sports exhaust and air-filter really made a big difference to the car. Before they were fitted it was not very happy to rev, but they really opened up the engine and improved the performance enormously. I am sure you must have found the same, as well as enjoying the great V8 sound?
Hi There,
I am hoping to buy a Aero 8 in the next couple of weeks and I would be very grateful fo any tips on the car good and bad.
I have been offered the chance to buy a used series 3 but I am trying to decide if I can justify the cash, I have also been offered a series 1 2002 car but I like the mods on the series 3.
Is this the only forum / club for Aero 8 owners or is there another I should also visit.
Thanks
Michael
I am hoping to buy a Aero 8 in the next couple of weeks and I would be very grateful fo any tips on the car good and bad.
I have been offered the chance to buy a used series 3 but I am trying to decide if I can justify the cash, I have also been offered a series 1 2002 car but I like the mods on the series 3.
Is this the only forum / club for Aero 8 owners or is there another I should also visit.
Thanks
Michael
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