MG ZT-T, the 2.5 190+. Yay or nay?
Discussion
Kermit power said:
It's a long-standing debate, I suppose, but you have to ask yourself whether owning an X type is the same as owning a Jaguar.
I'd guess owning an "X" type and considering it to be a Jaguar is only like owning a Saab, or Volvo and not considering those to be GM or FORD.a Vauxhall is "just a badge".
There aren't that many "pure breed" cars left !
BMW is one I suppose.
Sorry to hear that Nigel's car had problems (it was the 1.8 120 or 160 version?) My 190 has been great over 5 years of ownership. Funnily enough my old 5 series had HGF at around 85K (cost quite a lot in maintainance too) and a few associates who ran E46 330D's all needed new injectors at around the same mileage (very expensive!) but I wouldn't say BMW's were all bad because of this as I know they are not.
If you like the looks of the X type then fine. So what if they share chassis & drivetrain with a Mondeo - it's a great platform! If it had looked as nice to me as the ZT I might have bought one instead.
If you like the looks of the X type then fine. So what if they share chassis & drivetrain with a Mondeo - it's a great platform! If it had looked as nice to me as the ZT I might have bought one instead.
Nigel Worc's said:
Andy
2nd hand, 80,000 on the clock, full service history
my present E34, 2nd hand, full service history, 88,000 on the clock
By 90 something thousand the Rover had needed a full clutch, master and slave cylinders, head gasket,front springs, and spark plug leads (coil packs), and I'd had numerous small but annoying electrical issues with the mirrors and windows.( And thats just what I can remember while writing this) It had to be recovered twice. I owned it for 9 months.
The E34 is now up to 120,000, I've owned it since last July, so far its needed a rubber on the inlet manifold, ..... and the E34 is 3 years older than the Rover, hasn't needed to be recovered (in fact hasn't needed any garage attention at all).
Guess which one gets my vote ?
Both 1.8 4 pots, both about the same performance & economy, beemer better handling, Rover much more nicely trimmed, beemer much better built.
Its my third E34, although the other two were both 6 pot 2.5's.
I've also had a very good Volvo 850 estate (only had it for 7 months, as I crashed it), and an outstanding Vectra estate I bought with 44,000 on the clock, and took it to 184,000, still on the original clutch, it only needed a battery, alternator, and fuel relay in the 140,000 miles I covered.
I changed the vectra for the 75
You can't judge the whole brand on 1 bad car with unknown history, we've all owned a dog in our lives, mine was a 106 2nd owner bought from my mother with 9,000 on the clock, but the other 2 little P's owned either side were great.2nd hand, 80,000 on the clock, full service history
my present E34, 2nd hand, full service history, 88,000 on the clock
By 90 something thousand the Rover had needed a full clutch, master and slave cylinders, head gasket,front springs, and spark plug leads (coil packs), and I'd had numerous small but annoying electrical issues with the mirrors and windows.( And thats just what I can remember while writing this) It had to be recovered twice. I owned it for 9 months.
The E34 is now up to 120,000, I've owned it since last July, so far its needed a rubber on the inlet manifold, ..... and the E34 is 3 years older than the Rover, hasn't needed to be recovered (in fact hasn't needed any garage attention at all).
Guess which one gets my vote ?
Both 1.8 4 pots, both about the same performance & economy, beemer better handling, Rover much more nicely trimmed, beemer much better built.
Its my third E34, although the other two were both 6 pot 2.5's.
I've also had a very good Volvo 850 estate (only had it for 7 months, as I crashed it), and an outstanding Vectra estate I bought with 44,000 on the clock, and took it to 184,000, still on the original clutch, it only needed a battery, alternator, and fuel relay in the 140,000 miles I covered.
I changed the vectra for the 75
Other than that the only cars I've problems with are
318 bought new, auto box failure after 18 months,(new box fitted) (7k) heater failure, 2 years (the plastic pipes carrying hot water split filling dash) Electric window failure 3 years (widow failed to stop at top, forcing its way out of frame and shattering, damaging door)and auto box failure AGAIN on 4 years.
530 2nd owner from friend who drives like an old man (Incidentally his wives 318 also had problems) Aircon packed up on 3.5 yrs and after 5 years on 55k needed new shocks all round front wheel bearings and exhaust to pass mot. there was also intermitent miss fire since 2 years old that no one could find the cause of.(number 5 cylinder)
Seat Ibiza 12k on clock, still only 35k at 5 years old, everything electrical, climate control (£900) Immobiliser , drivers window, engine management. So much for the reliability of the VA Group, (the golfs suffer some of these issue too apparently) It's the slowest most boring car (1400) to drive and she wishes she had her 200 back.
Vectra estate, reliable while I owned it, but the worst ride I've ever had in a car and not that good at handling, sold a 420 executive to buy that and soon sold it to buy another rover, 45 1.8
in all I've owned 7 mg/rovers and have had no bills other than consumables.
214 bought with 20k sold with 96k to my nephew who is still thrashing it around.
416 bought 25k sold 85k service and brake discs only
420 bought 30k sold 50k needed estate car, not 1 penny outside service cost
45 1.8 bought 12k proved 100% reliable untill written off on 60k by a bus
mgf vvc bought 7k new altanater on 78k and pair of rear callipers at 65k
tf currently on 45k no expense as of yet
zt-t v6 bought on 40k now 65k only expense front discs.
Four K4s and a KV6 and not a HGF, I can't be that Jammy? Or maybe just an over played issue. I know of 3 Toyotas 2 mondeos and 2 206s and a honda all suffered from HGF, but I wouldn't say they all have a problem.
Nigel Worc's said:
Kermit power said:
It's a long-standing debate, I suppose, but you have to ask yourself whether owning an X type is the same as owning a Jaguar.
I'd guess owning an "X" type and considering it to be a Jaguar is only like owning a Saab, or Volvo and not considering those to be GM or FORD.a Vauxhall is "just a badge".
There aren't that many "pure breed" cars left !
BMW is one I suppose.
The current generation of XK is purely a Jaguar platform, and whilst the previous iteration shared a platform with the DB7, these were both developments ultimately from the XJS, so keeping the Jaguar heritage.
The XJ has never shared a platform with anything (the Daimler branding just being part of the Jaguar lineup).
It's only when you get into the realms of project "let's build a Jaguar for people who can't afford a Jaguar" that you see them sitting on Ford Mondeo platforms, hence all that "four wheel drive only" rubbish when they were launched to try and pretend they were something different! Who the hell needs 4WD in a saloon doing 0-60 in 8 seconds???
Pdhoward said:
Hi all, I have just got myself a mg zt-t 2.5 [190] v6 estate, 2002 plate with 61,500 miles, I think the car sounds fantastic but could someone tell me how should the car performe as a 190 bhp should be fast fast of the mark, shouldn't it ???
Assuming the VIS motors are working as they should (big topic that you need to Google) then it should be reasonably swift once you get it wound up and revving. I sold mine 6 months ago and at times did get a bit frustrated with the lack of urgency below 4000rpm, especially on the motorway where you had to change down to 4th to do a decent overtake. Having said that, they're quite swift cars when you work them hard through the gears and although they are by no means fast I reckoned they were about adequate for an everyday car - wouldn't want any slower though! Great cars though and I do miss mine.
Pdhoward said:
Hi all, I have just got myself a mg zt-t 2.5 [190] v6 estate, 2002 plate with 61,500 miles, I think the car sounds fantastic but could someone tell me how should the car performe as a 190 bhp should be fast fast of the mark, shouldn't it ???
I felt the same about my 260 when I first got it. Then I actually watched the speedometer going up a motorway slip road. It's never going to be M5 quick, but you do find yourself going far faster than you'd realised! Fortunately (again, on the 260 at least - I've not driven a 190), it's got a good enough chassis to let you take the corners as well as the straights at that sort of speed! 
Rover 75,s mgzt,s are probably the most under-rated cars out there.Bought a 75 cdti 10 years ago for 800 quid!Just sold it last year,never had a car like it,past 8 of its 10 mots without advisories,economical,comfortable,good sound system,good specs,no electrical niggles,quiet for a diesel,cars can be had for peanuts!,aircon ice cold for that whole 10 years!!(got to regass your aircon every two years?,b
ks!)only thing it went through was front lower suspension arms,partially my fault as i bought cheap ones.
Only car ive owned for that long,i just didnt want to give it up!;-)
ks!)only thing it went through was front lower suspension arms,partially my fault as i bought cheap ones.Only car ive owned for that long,i just didnt want to give it up!;-)
Rover 75,s mgzt,s are probably the most under-rated cars out there.Bought a 75 cdti 10 years ago for 800 quid!Just sold it last year,never had a car like it,past 8 of its 10 mots without advisories,economical,comfortable,good sound system,good specs,no electrical niggles,quiet for a diesel,cars can be had for peanuts!,aircon ice cold for that whole 10 years!!(got to regass your aircon every two years?,bks!)only thing it went through was front lower suspension arms,partially my fault as i bought cheap ones.
Only car ive owned for that long,i just didnt want to give it up!;-)
ks!)only thing it went through was front lower suspension arms,partially my fault as i bought cheap ones.Only car ive owned for that long,i just didnt want to give it up!;-)
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