How much oil in 1500?
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sorry to have caused an uprising in the ranks,i just thought that heating oil from the bottom up would have had two affects, one heating oil,second rising heat would heat the engine block,only saying this because when i leave the engine to stand for a day or so the oil from the tank seems to run back to the engine not sure where all that oil goes but its not in the tank but as soon as i start it the oil rushes back to the tank so heating the little bit of oil that is in the bottom of the tank does not seem worth while to me?so pad on the dry sump pan is the way to go?, dave.
jpivey said:
Paul Steele had a kenlowe system fitted to one of his SR3 i thought they only heat the water up.
Always spec one on my trackday Rads JP; amongst other benefits, it means you can keep it running for ages (and ages) without the water temp going sky high and having to switch off when the oil's still way too low.
doctordave said:
sorry to have caused an uprising in the ranks,i just thought that heating oil from the bottom up would have had two affects, one heating oil,second rising heat would heat the engine block,only saying this because when i leave the engine to stand for a day or so the oil from the tank seems to run back to the engine not sure where all that oil goes but its not in the tank but as soon as i start it the oil rushes back to the tank so heating the little bit of oil that is in the bottom of the tank does not seem worth while to me?so pad on the dry sump pan is the way to go?, dave.
That's the essence...heating the oil where it is. I am not sure that my oil gets back from the tank to the sump, so heating the tank would be best. If it's all in the sump, then heat the sump.doctordave said:
sorry to have caused an uprising in the ranks,i just thought that heating oil from the bottom up would have had two affects, one heating oil,second rising heat would heat the engine block,only saying this because when i leave the engine to stand for a day or so the oil from the tank seems to run back to the engine not sure where all that oil goes but its not in the tank but as soon as i start it the oil rushes back to the tank so heating the little bit of oil that is in the bottom of the tank does not seem worth while to me?so pad on the dry sump pan is the way to go?, dave.
I offer a highly technical explanation 
here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... Dave. As 2Bert testifies, Powerted seems to have stopped the drain back on later engines.LCM said:
I offer a highly technical explanation here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... Dave. As 2Bert testifies, Powerted seems to have stopped the drain back on later engines.
This is why I said/asked 'Let's be hearing/learning from RPE' > here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... Dave. As 2Bert testifies, Powerted seems to have stopped the drain back on later engines.I was amused to read that JPI's Dad used to heat his dry sump Min's oil in a saucepan on a gas stove: I'll bet he didn't heat up the pan empty and then chuck the oil in (or if he did, I'll bet he only did it the once!)
For all we know, the effect of sump heating below near dry shells sitting above the oil line could be to drive off the small amount of remnant oil causing accelerated (perhaps 'catastrophic') cold start-up wear, the single biggest enemy of any engine.
LCM said:
I offer a highly technical explanation here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... Dave. As 2Bert testifies, Powerted seems to have stopped the drain back on later engines.
thats good for me as you know pre heating the engine oil by running it up time and time again in jersey will get you shot by guests at the waters edge hotel so as i don't have a later engine and my oil runs back to the engine i can safely heat the oil with a sump pad and powered by a small honda extra quite genny that i happen to own that i bought to power a huge lamp when fishing for squid,it pissed off many of our spud lifting friends from the med who think that a toch h lamp will do[for you young guys thats a very dull lamp],sorry to ramble on but theres nothing on telly. here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... Dave. As 2Bert testifies, Powerted seems to have stopped the drain back on later engines.Quick update from the weekend's activities...
1 polished car, looks very nice indeed.
2 oil was all still in the DS tank, not back in the sump
3 ran it up and there was no oil piddling out. So my sump off and on job to clean out the starter swarf has worked ok.
4 took 7 litres of oil to get back up to the mark on the dipstick
5 we are going for external coolant heater and oil tank heater
Only 5 weeks and 5 days to go!
1 polished car, looks very nice indeed.
2 oil was all still in the DS tank, not back in the sump
3 ran it up and there was no oil piddling out. So my sump off and on job to clean out the starter swarf has worked ok.
4 took 7 litres of oil to get back up to the mark on the dipstick
5 we are going for external coolant heater and oil tank heater
Only 5 weeks and 5 days to go!
viperu said:
I am currently looking for a oil/water heat exchanger for Casper, if anyone has something with 25mm Water and JIC8 oil connectors on it please let me know.
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Might have a Mocal in bits. We took it off when Betty's engine went bang and eventually Al cleaned it at work to surgical standards. I think that it's kicking around in the workshop or a trailer, so Ian is going to have a look. It would need to be rebuilt but it's free provided you never make me drink that prune brandy again...............
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BertBert said:
4 took 7 litres of oil to get back up to the mark on the dipstick
5 we are going for external coolant heater and oil tank heater
Not saying its not right but 7 litres really surprises me; means the latest dry-sump must near enough double the oil capacity of a standard wet sump Suzi Busa.5 we are going for external coolant heater and oil tank heater
Short of somewhere like Snett @ -10 degC (why would one?) why would one ever need a (water) coolant heater here in the UK?
splitpin said:
Short of somewhere like Snett @ -10 degC (why would one?) why would one ever need a (water) coolant heater here in the UK?
I'll let you know once I've tried it. But there's no reason not to heat the engine up with the coolant. If you don't you'll have to run it even if you heat the tank of oil up.doctordave said:
all this time looking for away to heat engine and you had one all the time,no more apple juice for you lol.
Don't give me that cr*p, you've already got one on Betty (it's that silver thing in the blue hose between the silver water tank thingy and the bit on the top of the engine that the red wires go into). It's just like a d*ck, no man needs more than one, he just need to know what it is, where it is and what it's for................ 
Any more of that nonsense young Dave and you can wash your mouth out with prune brandy
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