Jaguar XJ6 x350 - gearbox fault
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Jane, sounds like you have some teething probs.
My best advice is to get a good Jagar independent specialist with the knowledge to look after your car. They are complex cars so sometimes a non-marque garage can be a false economy; they tend to have a lower hr/rate but may take longer chasing faults - where are you based? Others may be able to suggest someone.
Great looking car by the way.
My best advice is to get a good Jagar independent specialist with the knowledge to look after your car. They are complex cars so sometimes a non-marque garage can be a false economy; they tend to have a lower hr/rate but may take longer chasing faults - where are you based? Others may be able to suggest someone.
Great looking car by the way.
Jane121 said:
Hi and Thanks Matt
Im in Hampshire
Not to far from you then is TLJaguar 0118-976-2899 post code RG40 4TSIm in Hampshire
They are Independant experts on Jaguars, have all the computer diagnostics and know how to use them,
as well as using their brain power to work out other causes of problems
Do name drop if you wish, they will look after you and your car
Edited by NormanD on Wednesday 15th May 16:56
Further options could be:
Racing Green
http://www.racinggreencars.com/
and
Winspeed - I've used these guys. Not the cheapest but know their stuff and great service. If you like classic and racing Jags, a wander round their workshop is worthwhile - plus if you ask nicely they might let you borrow the 'fettled' XJR whilst yours is being worked on
http://winspeedmotorsport.com/
Good luck and let us know how you get on with finding the fault
Racing Green
http://www.racinggreencars.com/
and
Winspeed - I've used these guys. Not the cheapest but know their stuff and great service. If you like classic and racing Jags, a wander round their workshop is worthwhile - plus if you ask nicely they might let you borrow the 'fettled' XJR whilst yours is being worked on
http://winspeedmotorsport.com/
Good luck and let us know how you get on with finding the fault
Just to give you an update and to thank you guys.
My Jag Tech came out again today and sorted all the problems, very quickly and very easily for a mere cost of £20!
To summarise:
The problems I had was numerous warning lights appearing in the first place. First port of call was the battery which needed replacing. Bought a new battery, I went for a Yuata, the warning lights still appeared but with the added problem of every time the windscreen wipers were turned on the car cut out.
Thanks to your advice, I checked the earth studs.. one was badly corroded, the other had more or less sheared off and left the leads making erratic connections.
The Jag guy came out and managed to relocate all the leads to another earth stud and now everything is working perfectly, no warning lights, windscreen wipers working and the car still running.
So for about £120 which included the new battery I am one happy bunny!
Now all I need to know is there anyone out there that wants to give my Jag a good clean and polish lolol
Thanks again guys and hope my story will help others if they have any similar problems
My Jag Tech came out again today and sorted all the problems, very quickly and very easily for a mere cost of £20!
To summarise:
The problems I had was numerous warning lights appearing in the first place. First port of call was the battery which needed replacing. Bought a new battery, I went for a Yuata, the warning lights still appeared but with the added problem of every time the windscreen wipers were turned on the car cut out.
Thanks to your advice, I checked the earth studs.. one was badly corroded, the other had more or less sheared off and left the leads making erratic connections.
The Jag guy came out and managed to relocate all the leads to another earth stud and now everything is working perfectly, no warning lights, windscreen wipers working and the car still running.
So for about £120 which included the new battery I am one happy bunny!
Now all I need to know is there anyone out there that wants to give my Jag a good clean and polish lolol
Thanks again guys and hope my story will help others if they have any similar problems
Hi Guys,
This is my first post. After reading the thread about the xj gearbox faults I thought I would ask a question or 2. I have a 2003 XJ super V8 X350 (see link below for pics). The gearbox seems to be a bit erratic. When setting from cold start it seems to be slipping, like when the clutch on a manual slips, I go to set off, the revs go up but it doesn't go as I would expect, then it bangs in to gear and your off. Then if I want to put my foot down it would slip again and not go until it finds a gear then off again.
I have had the gearbox fault warning light on a few times, turned off and on again and all cleared. Once the car is warm and have been driving for a while the gearbox seems fine.
Could this be due to the traction control kicking in, gearbox oil needing changing, or as stated by others the battery not being up to scratch?
Any help would be appreciated as I use the car for weddings now and again and don't fancy the idea of getting stranded with a bride in the back.
Regards
Paul
http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/badminton355/lib...
This is my first post. After reading the thread about the xj gearbox faults I thought I would ask a question or 2. I have a 2003 XJ super V8 X350 (see link below for pics). The gearbox seems to be a bit erratic. When setting from cold start it seems to be slipping, like when the clutch on a manual slips, I go to set off, the revs go up but it doesn't go as I would expect, then it bangs in to gear and your off. Then if I want to put my foot down it would slip again and not go until it finds a gear then off again.
I have had the gearbox fault warning light on a few times, turned off and on again and all cleared. Once the car is warm and have been driving for a while the gearbox seems fine.
Could this be due to the traction control kicking in, gearbox oil needing changing, or as stated by others the battery not being up to scratch?
Any help would be appreciated as I use the car for weddings now and again and don't fancy the idea of getting stranded with a bride in the back.
Regards
Paul
http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/badminton355/lib...
Hi, I just bought an XJ TDVi late 2005 model with 86k under it's belt. when I test drove it the HIDs weren't working and the dealer was tasked with fixing these before delivery. He sent the car to his regular garage whilst I went and looked at Google, by the evening of my test drive I'd pretty much established that it would be an earth fault, this took his 'garage' a week to work out in which time they'd bodged a relay into a fuse box (which they'd already replaced) and they'd replaced the alternator because "it was giving a high voltage", when I got the car none of this information was passed to me, it only came to light when, after a few days with the car it threw a plethora of fault codes! Fortunately I had, in the meantime come across XJK Jaguar Specialists in Newcastle Under Lyme, their chief mechanic Ian is an absolute marvel; there is nothing this man doesn't know as far as Jags go, in fact he used to provide the technical advice to Jaguar dealers when they were stumped! They sorted transport home for me that night and the next morning the car was fixed and photographic evidence of the frankly shocking work undertaken by the previous garage (self tapping steel screws into aluminium, bare wires wrapped around the screw beneath a washer, etc) which had led to all sorts of fault codes being thrown. He effected a thoroughly professional repair with aluminium bolts and sorted it all out, coming in early to do so, I cannot speak highly enough of the guys at XJK, truly an exemplar for the Specialist Mechanics market, and reasonably priced too!
In short, if your 350/358 is throwing lots of random codes (or indeed, the HID's aren't working) the earths at the front of the car are your first port of call, failing batteries will also throw the odd code, but the real lesson here is take cars like these to people who know what they're doing, it's cheaper paying for them to fix a problem they'll identify quickly and rectify properly than to pay for a garage with only half an idea to start guessing at solutions and ultimately bodge a fix!
Oh, and diesel Jags have alternators that run at 15v!
In short, if your 350/358 is throwing lots of random codes (or indeed, the HID's aren't working) the earths at the front of the car are your first port of call, failing batteries will also throw the odd code, but the real lesson here is take cars like these to people who know what they're doing, it's cheaper paying for them to fix a problem they'll identify quickly and rectify properly than to pay for a garage with only half an idea to start guessing at solutions and ultimately bodge a fix!
Oh, and diesel Jags have alternators that run at 15v!
I've just signed up to Piston Heads Simply to relay my experience on this topic.
It is only one case, but I hope it helps.
I have an xj6 with a ZF6HP26 gearbox (So a fine, if rather tame, British car with a German (read for that what you will, but certainly over-hyped when it comes to engineering) gearbox
2004 model, 54,000miles, I've done about 5K in it in 3 years.
I'm 90% sure that when I bought the car it had "the" gearbox problem just starting!
Symptoms:
Jerky change especially accelerating not hard through about 20mph
Occasional thump when gears changed at 15-25ish mph
Gearbox Warning text would appear periodically on the dash.
Occasionally it would choose limp mode (about three times in 14 months use)
On occasions the problem seemed to prevent the car from starting once stopped!
(So if limp mode gets you while out I suggest getting to somewhere sensible before
turning the engine off)
For a range of reasons I put the car to one side for a few years to drove something else.
Recently I decided it was time to get the XJ6 going again. I read all the articles I could find,
received lots of opinions:
A mate said change the gearbox oil.
The garage (small independent) said it would be a waste of money.
The gearbox repair company suggested by the garage said £1500+vat!
Another gearbox repair company said, it was either software (£200 all in), Mechatroinc Unit(£1300 all in) or the big £1500+vat!
The car's not worth much but I'm OK with that. It would be a dog to sell I guess. I'd prefer to run it for a few more years.
Now this Automatic ZF gearbox, as I believe all automatic ZF gearboxes, was called "sealed for life". Now I've got a Ph.D in Engineeering, and although I'm no motor mechanic, I figured 10 year
old oil, if any was left at all, had probably over delivered already! I read of BMW drivers
having similar issues with the fine totally German engineered cars.
My car spent a lot of its life in Dorset. I guess it went slowly and did lots of gear changes.
So 49,000 miles on the tacho when purchased was probably equal to 90,000 miles of gear changes!
The garage tried to discourage me from "wasting" £250/£300 on fancy oil (and new sump with built in filter) I pondered over the weekend but figured the punt was worth it.
So they changed the oil and sump and called me to tell me it hadn't worked. I sighed, turned up paid the bill and left.
Since then it has given one dodgy change, and has barely set a foot wrong since. I'd say its 97% improved, maybe more! And still improving. An engine management light was appearing previously, that's also gone.
My mate guessed it needed a bit of running in (circulating) post the oil change to clean the S**t out and get it to the filter and magnets or dilute it sufficiently that it made no difference, and hes seem to have been correct!
In short, new gearbox oil and new a sump (because it houses the filter) seems to have done the job.
Good luck with the resolution to your Jaguar ZF gearbox problem. And think yourself lucky the whole car wasn't made in Germany!
It is only one case, but I hope it helps.
I have an xj6 with a ZF6HP26 gearbox (So a fine, if rather tame, British car with a German (read for that what you will, but certainly over-hyped when it comes to engineering) gearbox
2004 model, 54,000miles, I've done about 5K in it in 3 years.
I'm 90% sure that when I bought the car it had "the" gearbox problem just starting!
Symptoms:
Jerky change especially accelerating not hard through about 20mph
Occasional thump when gears changed at 15-25ish mph
Gearbox Warning text would appear periodically on the dash.
Occasionally it would choose limp mode (about three times in 14 months use)
On occasions the problem seemed to prevent the car from starting once stopped!
(So if limp mode gets you while out I suggest getting to somewhere sensible before
turning the engine off)
For a range of reasons I put the car to one side for a few years to drove something else.
Recently I decided it was time to get the XJ6 going again. I read all the articles I could find,
received lots of opinions:
A mate said change the gearbox oil.
The garage (small independent) said it would be a waste of money.
The gearbox repair company suggested by the garage said £1500+vat!
Another gearbox repair company said, it was either software (£200 all in), Mechatroinc Unit(£1300 all in) or the big £1500+vat!
The car's not worth much but I'm OK with that. It would be a dog to sell I guess. I'd prefer to run it for a few more years.
Now this Automatic ZF gearbox, as I believe all automatic ZF gearboxes, was called "sealed for life". Now I've got a Ph.D in Engineeering, and although I'm no motor mechanic, I figured 10 year
old oil, if any was left at all, had probably over delivered already! I read of BMW drivers
having similar issues with the fine totally German engineered cars.
My car spent a lot of its life in Dorset. I guess it went slowly and did lots of gear changes.
So 49,000 miles on the tacho when purchased was probably equal to 90,000 miles of gear changes!
The garage tried to discourage me from "wasting" £250/£300 on fancy oil (and new sump with built in filter) I pondered over the weekend but figured the punt was worth it.
So they changed the oil and sump and called me to tell me it hadn't worked. I sighed, turned up paid the bill and left.
Since then it has given one dodgy change, and has barely set a foot wrong since. I'd say its 97% improved, maybe more! And still improving. An engine management light was appearing previously, that's also gone.
My mate guessed it needed a bit of running in (circulating) post the oil change to clean the S**t out and get it to the filter and magnets or dilute it sufficiently that it made no difference, and hes seem to have been correct!
In short, new gearbox oil and new a sump (because it houses the filter) seems to have done the job.
Good luck with the resolution to your Jaguar ZF gearbox problem. And think yourself lucky the whole car wasn't made in Germany!
Absolutely every single person on jaguarforum.co.uk who has changed the oil and sump/filter assembly testifies that the gearbox is improved (myself included) afterwards even if the gearbox wasn't particularly misbehaving prior to.
I bought my parts kit from Bristol Transmissions and followed the supplied instructions and refill procedure. The hardest part is removing the under tray - seriously - it's a dawdle.
Pistonheads logic dictates that anyone who spends money on their car must be a fool who is an ideal customer easily parted from their cash. Those on Jaguarforum who have no experience of an oil change often share the same view that it's a waste of money. The substantial numbers who do have direct experience tell a different story.
Regarding small garages - unless they specialise in something in particular, they are not people to take opinions from on matters like this.
Glad it's done the trick. They usually do give a dodgy shift or two shortly after the refill and battery reconnect whilst the software relearns all the adaptives it had to your driving style.
I bought my parts kit from Bristol Transmissions and followed the supplied instructions and refill procedure. The hardest part is removing the under tray - seriously - it's a dawdle.
Pistonheads logic dictates that anyone who spends money on their car must be a fool who is an ideal customer easily parted from their cash. Those on Jaguarforum who have no experience of an oil change often share the same view that it's a waste of money. The substantial numbers who do have direct experience tell a different story.
Regarding small garages - unless they specialise in something in particular, they are not people to take opinions from on matters like this.
Glad it's done the trick. They usually do give a dodgy shift or two shortly after the refill and battery reconnect whilst the software relearns all the adaptives it had to your driving style.
If you reset the gearbox adaptions after the oil/filter change its even better.
Not sure how the independant do it, but I do with JLR IDS
Also if you get sporadic limp mode from the box see some way down this thread
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=8&a...
Your looking for the link in this bit of txt.
it also said Gearbox fault a few times (had me worried) but was just a poor connection. see here http://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/s-type-s-type-r-...
Still plenty of work to do but as a dailey driver she's still going great.
Not sure how the independant do it, but I do with JLR IDS
Also if you get sporadic limp mode from the box see some way down this thread
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=8&a...
Your looking for the link in this bit of txt.
it also said Gearbox fault a few times (had me worried) but was just a poor connection. see here http://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/s-type-s-type-r-...
Still plenty of work to do but as a dailey driver she's still going great.
My X350 has 140k on it and the gearbox is fine. I bought it with 135k on it and the specialist I use had a test drive of it and manged to generate a gearbox fault. It seemed fine when I test drove it. A cautionary oil and sump change later and I found that I was out of date in terms of how smooth changes are supposed to be on modern auto boxes.
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