The love affair is nearly over

[V12 Migaloo]

Fat Albert said:

I agree that 25% after 7 years is a good offer, much more than the Porsche 996 and Boxster owners got after the Intermediate Shaft and rear main seal failures and other issues on the water-cooled flat 6.

I got nothing from SAAB when my 6 year old 9 5 V6 let go a few years ago

This just proves some people obviously have much lower expectations then I do. Nothing wrong there Albert. Question Did you buy 10 porsches or 10 SAABS previously, nope. Where you going to buy in the next few months 2 additional cars from the group... If you had and were then I dont think you would roll over so easily like some people suggest I do.

[Triple7]

But you have no warranty so why should Jag pay? Jag warranty cover cars up to 10 yrs/100k miles & would have the car fixed by now. But I assume you took the risk not to pay for one? If so you have saved yourself >£2k, which can go towards the new motor.

Your dealer is offering excellent service to do the work for nowt, they are a business so this costs them too.

Options, leave the brand bitter. Get it fixed or agree a deal with your dealer to chop the car in as is against another & take advantage of the warranty.....

We await your decision.......

[anonymous-user]

V12 Migaloo said:

Fat Albert said:

I agree that 25% after 7 years is a good offer, much more than the Porsche 996 and Boxster owners got after the Intermediate Shaft and rear main seal failures and other issues on the water-cooled flat 6.

I got nothing from SAAB when my 6 year old 9 5 V6 let go a few years ago

This just proves some people obviously have much lower expectations then I do. Nothing wrong there Albert. Question Did you buy 10 porsches or 10 SAABS previously, nope. Where you going to buy in the next few months 2 additional cars from the group... If you had and were then I dont think you would roll over so easily like some people suggest I do.

The reason many manufacturers get away with poor product is because many owners do simply roll over easily.

Just pointing out the failures of other brands to stand by their product simply reinforces how poor they all are when things go pear shaped.

The Porsche example is a good one, a clearly badly flawed product with a manufacturer in denial.

[V12 Migaloo]

Triple7, l'll leave the brand bitter to be honest and the last thing I need is that constant nagging of will it/wont it...? like I had always with my bmw which on most occassions it normally did!
I didn't have the option of a 10 year 100 mile warranty when I bought the car, in actual fact I never knew it existed, on any of the 10 new Jag’s I’ve bought.
What I can't get from all of this is how flippantly a few posters on here shrug off an issue like this and seem as if I should just “suck it in old boy” (and I am not looking for an arm around my shoulder or any sympathy what so ever, I'm just chatting within the forum as I sometimes do) as it's ok for us to roll over and except the fact that moderns cars are now built like ste... a bottom end going on a car of this class 20 years ago would've be nigh on unthinkable, at least in my driven experience.
Perish the thought Triple7 if your Trent 800's were prone to these kind of occassional, but terminal failures.
PS: Love the fantasy garage by the way, Honestly!!

[NormanD]

V12 Migaloo said:

2 years ago I opted out of the company car scheme and bought 2006 XJ-D with just over 30k on the clock.
Despite initial restricted performance issues (which were all sorted) the car has given me 2 years of stress free motoring, in comfort with a good return of MPG.

At 40'000 miles I paid for a 90k intensive service. 6 weeks ago at 60K I paid for a 120'000 miles intensive service, all Main dealer. The car is as good as new, looked after like it was a classic, driven with great respect and the fact that this is my money in this car. One week after this £600 intensive service the big end bearing went.... BANG!

So you purchased a 30k car and you have done another 30K
You say you had issues that were sorted but you can have no idea just how the car had been looked after in the first four years of it's life other than a service history

Personally I'm on Jaguars side

[V12 Migaloo]

Norman, surprised you would roll over so easily....

[V12 Migaloo]

http://cars.uk.msn.com/features/chinese-owner-smas...

[NormanD]

V12 Migaloo said:

Norman, surprised you would roll over so easily....

MayBe but I'm of the NO extended warranty brigade so sometime have to take the hit as well

[iamAlegend]

OUCH!

My grandmother had to fork out for a new turbo at around 30000 miles on her '08 XJd and has had other issues with the DPF too (short journeys)


You can pick up a C5 for less than that and scavenge the engine, or buy the parts from Citroen?

[V12 Migaloo]

NormanD said:

V12 Migaloo said:

Norman, surprised you would roll over so easily....

MayBe but I'm of the NO extended warranty brigade so sometime have to take the hit as well

And I'm of the it should not have occured in the first place, a big end bearing, really Norman, come pal, at 160K yeah perhaps, unlucky you could say, at 60k, no way. I expected more. Silly me. Still roll me over and dont bother using the Vasalene.

[jimattfield]

V12 Migaloo said:

Triple7, l'll leave the brand bitter to be honest and the last thing I need is that constant nagging of will it/wont it...? like I had always with my bmw which on most occassions it normally did!
I didn't have the option of a 10 year 100 mile warranty when I bought the car, in actual fact I never knew it existed, on any of the 10 new Jag’s I’ve bought.
What I can't get from all of this is how flippantly a few posters on here shrug off an issue like this and seem as if I should just “suck it in old boy” (and I am not looking for an arm around my shoulder or any sympathy what so ever, I'm just chatting within the forum as I sometimes do) as it's ok for us to roll over and except the fact that moderns cars are now built like ste... a bottom end going on a car of this class 20 years ago would've be nigh on unthinkable, at least in my driven experience....

Well, best of luck then, but since you have played the 'flippant' card I'll stop dancing around and call it like I see it. You are being naive and churlish. I have recounted your tale to several friends (and SWMBO) without naming names or manufacturers and good manners prevents me from posting their fairly unanimous comments here. Our C70 has done less than half the mileage you would expect for a 2003 car but if the engine blew and Volvo when asked said 'sorry, no contribution' that is what I would expect them to say and I wouldn't feel hard done by.

You already have an example of how Jaguar will try to do their best for their customers - "When our 2.5 S-TYpe V6 was leaking coolant through the head Jaguar paid for and swapped the entire drive train FOC and this was some 2 years out of warrenty (sic)" and when they offer to pay a 25% contribution on a seven year old car you throw your toys out of your pram. Good luck on your voyage of discovery, this is my last word on the subject, so feel free to rant on

Edited by jimattfield on Friday 17th May 19:41

[Hooli]

Don't sell the V12!

[Jaguar steve]

Hey, C'mon Chaps. Someone has had a bad experience - regardless of the rights and wrongs and financial consequences of that experience it's not really in the spirit of the Jaguar forum to kick a guy in the nuts when he's down.

20 years of running and repairing old XJs has tought me it's a fact you might fall in love with your Jaguar, but your Jaguar is never going to fall in love with you. Dealers only care about the bottom line and st happens sometimes and stuff goes wrong. If V12 Migalloo wants to come on here and make himself feel better by having a bh about several grand worth of XJ6 lunching it's engine a bit of sympathy might not go amiss.

That's the reality of running a older prestige car I'm afraid - not always pretty and you don't always get what you think you're paying for.

Just think for a moment - It could be you next time...

[unrepentant]

NormanD said:

So you purchased a 30k car and you have done another 30K
You say you had issues that were sorted but you can have no idea just how the car had been looked after in the first four years of it's life other than a service history

Personally I'm on Jaguars side

I agree. The op points out that his 7 year old Jag is only worth 7 or 8k so why would he want to fork out on a new engine. On the other hand he has a 7 year old Jag that he bought without a Jaguar warranty that is worth only 7 to 8k but he expects Jag to fork out for a new engine!

I think a 25% offer is very generous.

[johnnnnnnyy]

V12 Migaloo said:

Triple7, l'll leave the brand bitter to be honest and the last thing I need is that constant nagging of will it/wont it...? like I had always with my bmw which on most occassions it normally did!
I didn't have the option of a 10 year 100 mile warranty when I bought the car, in actual fact I never knew it existed, on any of the 10 new Jag’s I’ve bought.
What I can't get from all of this is how flippantly a few posters on here shrug off an issue like this and seem as if I should just “suck it in old boy” (and I am not looking for an arm around my shoulder or any sympathy what so ever, I'm just chatting within the forum as I sometimes do) as it's ok for us to roll over and except the fact that moderns cars are now built like ste... a bottom end going on a car of this class 20 years ago would've be nigh on unthinkable, at least in my driven experience.
Perish the thought Triple7 if your Trent 800's were prone to these kind of occassional, but terminal failures.
PS: Love the fantasy garage by the way, Honestly!!

Machines are machines, sometimes you get unlucky with a bad one. Seems you got the bad luck.
Do a Google search of engines breaking and you'll see a long list of various car manufactures, it's not just unique to Jaguar. You love the cars, so stick with them.

EDIT:
I've just done a quick Google search, a refurbished engine fitted is going to cost £1300 ish with a years warranty. With a car that age and value, this is what I'd be doing. Most 1 year warranties cost this type of money, so its money well worth spending.

If none of these companies are close to you..as I said before...buy the engine, get it shipped to the dealer and get them to fit it for you as part of the deal.

Edited by johnnnnnnyy on Saturday 18th May 00:09

[johnnnnnnyy]

johnnnnnnyy said:

Machines are machines, sometimes you get unlucky with a bad one. Seems you got the bad luck.
Do a Google search of engines breaking and you'll see a long list of various car manufactures, it's not just unique to Jaguar. You love the cars, so stick with them. You're obviously upset at the moment, and easiest option is to abandon the brand. But once the dust settles you'll see more clearly.

EDIT:
I've just done a quick Google search, a refurbished engine fitted is going to cost £1300 ish with a years warranty. With a car that age and value, this is what I'd be doing. Most 1 year warranties cost this type of money, so its money well worth spending.

If none of these companies are close to you..as I said before...buy the engine, get it shipped to the dealer and get them to fit it for you as part of the deal.

Edited by johnnnnnnyy on Saturday 18th May 00:09

[NormanD]

V12 Migaloo said:

And I'm of the it should not have occured in the first place, a big end bearing, really Norman, come pal, at 160K yeah perhaps, unlucky you could say, at 60k, no way. I expected more. Silly me. Still roll me over and dont bother using the Vasalene.

Done a bit of Homework

I see the diesel engine in the X-Type is known for Oil pump failure

I would think it's the same engine in the XJ, could then persue Jaguar then as it a known problem

[anonymous-user]

NormanD said:

V12 Migaloo said:

And I'm of the it should not have occured in the first place, a big end bearing, really Norman, come pal, at 160K yeah perhaps, unlucky you could say, at 60k, no way. I expected more. Silly me. Still roll me over and dont bother using the Vasalene.

Done a bit of Homework

I see the diesel engine in the X-Type is known for Oil pump failure

I would think it's the same engine in the XJ, could then persue Jaguar then as it a known problem

If only that were true Porsche, for one, would have replaced a lot of engines that it didn't. It will be the same story with Jaguar, "known fault, sir? First time we've seen it."

And no amount of internet hearsay will persuade them otherwise.

[AmitG]

NormanD said:

Done a bit of Homework

I see the diesel engine in the X-Type is known for Oil pump failure

I would think it's the same engine in the XJ, could then persue Jaguar then as it a known problem

I'm not sure. I thought that the diesel engine in the X-type was a 2.0 or 2.2 inline 4. The engine in the OP's XJD will be a 2.7 V6.

Maybe they share some parts, but it can't be the same engine, can it?

awaits whoosh parrot

[andyps]

AmitG said:

NormanD said:

Done a bit of Homework

I see the diesel engine in the X-Type is known for Oil pump failure

I would think it's the same engine in the XJ, could then persue Jaguar then as it a known problem

I'm not sure. I thought that the diesel engine in the X-type was a 2.0 or 2.2 inline 4. The engine in the OP's XJD will be a 2.7 V6.

Maybe they share some parts, but it can't be the same engine, can it?

awaits whoosh parrot

Think you are right there, 2.7 v6, largely developed by PSA so unlikely to be related to the 2.0/2.2 which is a Ford derived engine.