X-Type Engine Woes
Discussion
With great respect to guys like TT and Dr G, and they are obvioulsy well qualified at what they do, but......
Technicians who work in dealerships rarley see cars more than 3 or 4 years old and therefore do not get the benefit of the experience of maintaining older vehicles in the way that independents such as myself do. You have to ask if it is acceptable that these Jaguar engines fail at mileages such as that of the original OP. Exactly the same argument applies with the early V8s and the timing chain tensioner and Nikasil debacle. Bear in mind, most of these cars have full service history for at least the first 3 years of life and usually at a Jaguar dealership.
I trained originally as a project design engineer with Babcock in Renfrew. We built nuclear power stations and great big bloody cranes. Just imagine what would have happened if we would have adopted the same work ethic as Jaguar when it came to development.
"James, we have a problem with the 500 ton crane. It just came down on a yard killing a couple of dozen people and doing about 200 grand's worth of damage." "Oh, that's ok; it's a known fault." "And while I'm at it, there's a wee radiation leak at Dounray and half the population are contaminated. Is that a known fault too?"
I'm sorry, but there is utterly no excuse for this kind of appalling engineering, I don't care what anyone says. When you pay that kind of money for a car it should be properly designed and developed. These Jaguar engines were not.
J
Technicians who work in dealerships rarley see cars more than 3 or 4 years old and therefore do not get the benefit of the experience of maintaining older vehicles in the way that independents such as myself do. You have to ask if it is acceptable that these Jaguar engines fail at mileages such as that of the original OP. Exactly the same argument applies with the early V8s and the timing chain tensioner and Nikasil debacle. Bear in mind, most of these cars have full service history for at least the first 3 years of life and usually at a Jaguar dealership.
I trained originally as a project design engineer with Babcock in Renfrew. We built nuclear power stations and great big bloody cranes. Just imagine what would have happened if we would have adopted the same work ethic as Jaguar when it came to development.
"James, we have a problem with the 500 ton crane. It just came down on a yard killing a couple of dozen people and doing about 200 grand's worth of damage." "Oh, that's ok; it's a known fault." "And while I'm at it, there's a wee radiation leak at Dounray and half the population are contaminated. Is that a known fault too?"
I'm sorry, but there is utterly no excuse for this kind of appalling engineering, I don't care what anyone says. When you pay that kind of money for a car it should be properly designed and developed. These Jaguar engines were not.
J
Very sorry to hear the OPs woes. I had similar when the auto gearbox went in my old (but immaculate inside) Grand Voyager and I had to pay almost as much as the car was worth to fix it. As other things started to go wrong I P/Exed it soon after for only the cost of the gearbox repair. Would have been easier to bite the bullet and scrap it.
Jith,
thanks for your view from the mechanical frontline and very much agree with your sentiments re development. As someone who regularly browses Autotrader for Jags (of several models and age) I was interested in your statement:
Exactly the same argument applies with the early V8s and the timing chain tensioner and Nikasil debacle.
Don't want to hijack the thread but could you elaborate. I was looking at some very nice 2004- 2006 XJRs and 4.2 XJ V8 Sovereigns yesterday which looked like bargains. Plenty with high (150,000+) mileage too.
Is there a list somewhere of which year/model combinations have possibly expensive/catastrophic problems to be aware of? Cheers.
Jith,
thanks for your view from the mechanical frontline and very much agree with your sentiments re development. As someone who regularly browses Autotrader for Jags (of several models and age) I was interested in your statement:
Exactly the same argument applies with the early V8s and the timing chain tensioner and Nikasil debacle.
Don't want to hijack the thread but could you elaborate. I was looking at some very nice 2004- 2006 XJRs and 4.2 XJ V8 Sovereigns yesterday which looked like bargains. Plenty with high (150,000+) mileage too.
Is there a list somewhere of which year/model combinations have possibly expensive/catastrophic problems to be aware of? Cheers.
Northbloke said:
Exactly the same argument applies with the early V8s and the timing chain tensioner and Nikasil debacle.
Don't want to hijack the thread but could you elaborate. I was looking at some very nice 2004- 2006 XJRs and 4.2 XJ V8 Sovereigns yesterday which looked like bargains. Plenty with high (150,000+) mileage too.
They had sorted the Tensioner problems by thenDon't want to hijack the thread but could you elaborate. I was looking at some very nice 2004- 2006 XJRs and 4.2 XJ V8 Sovereigns yesterday which looked like bargains. Plenty with high (150,000+) mileage too.
NormanD said:
Northbloke said:
Exactly the same argument applies with the early V8s and the timing chain tensioner and Nikasil debacle.
Don't want to hijack the thread but could you elaborate. I was looking at some very nice 2004- 2006 XJRs and 4.2 XJ V8 Sovereigns yesterday which looked like bargains. Plenty with high (150,000+) mileage too.
They had sorted the Tensioner problems by thenDon't want to hijack the thread but could you elaborate. I was looking at some very nice 2004- 2006 XJRs and 4.2 XJ V8 Sovereigns yesterday which looked like bargains. Plenty with high (150,000+) mileage too.
jith said:
"James, we have a problem with the 500 ton crane. It just came down on a yard killing a couple of dozen people and doing about 200 grand's worth of damage." "Oh, that's ok; it's a known fault." "And while I'm at it, there's a wee radiation leak at Dounray and half the population are contaminated. Is that a known fault too?"
Love this Jith 
I cant beleive what they did with the sills on the early X type. I spent at least 20 hours welding up the Mrs car, just after I got it. Havnt seen rust that bad since my first car (mk2 escort) I thought is was a bargain barge at £700 on a 52 plate with genuine 60k miles, then I took the sill covers off, was actually worth 50p.
Edited by Tame Technician on Monday 18th November 00:05
Sorry forgot my point.
OP please remove your sill covers and check for rust before you go to the cost of an engine change.
If it needs £1000 worth of welding next MOT after you have paid to have a new engine fitted you;ll be even more pi**ed of with it.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=x+type+rusted+si...
OP please remove your sill covers and check for rust before you go to the cost of an engine change.
If it needs £1000 worth of welding next MOT after you have paid to have a new engine fitted you;ll be even more pi**ed of with it.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=x+type+rusted+si...
I'm sorry, but there is utterly no excuse for this kind of appalling engineering, I don't care what anyone says. When you pay that kind of money for a car it should be properly designed and developed. These Jaguar engines were not.
It's perfectly possible to design and develop a car properly, but the primary purpose of manufacturing and selling cars - or anything else for that matter - is not to give the customer a lovely product to enjoy for decades to come at the lowest possible cost, it's actually make as much money as possible from manulipulating customers into chosing your lovely product rather than someone elses.
Once a vehicle had gone a reasonable period beyond the typical three year fleet buyer or warranty period providing there's no comeback on the manufacturer the more money that can be made from "just enough" engineering, premature failure of inadequately durable or maintained components or known design weaknesses the better for the manufacturer, parts suppliers and guys who make a living fixing it.
And of course in 10 years time when you sell your fifty grand car for a couple of hundred quid to the scrapyad cos it's bled you white in repair costs and is not worth fixing anymore there's always some spotty yoof in a cheap suit who'll feed you all sorts of bulls
t to flog you another one...
It's perfectly possible to design and develop a car properly, but the primary purpose of manufacturing and selling cars - or anything else for that matter - is not to give the customer a lovely product to enjoy for decades to come at the lowest possible cost, it's actually make as much money as possible from manulipulating customers into chosing your lovely product rather than someone elses.
Once a vehicle had gone a reasonable period beyond the typical three year fleet buyer or warranty period providing there's no comeback on the manufacturer the more money that can be made from "just enough" engineering, premature failure of inadequately durable or maintained components or known design weaknesses the better for the manufacturer, parts suppliers and guys who make a living fixing it.
And of course in 10 years time when you sell your fifty grand car for a couple of hundred quid to the scrapyad cos it's bled you white in repair costs and is not worth fixing anymore there's always some spotty yoof in a cheap suit who'll feed you all sorts of bulls
t to flog you another one... 
melhookv12 said:
When did you last check your oil level fatboy ?
Weekly as it happens - last time was three days before the damn thing broke. I do a fair bit of motorway driving so always ensured oil was topped up.Valid question as so many people dont bother. I do though.
Seems the general thought train is to scrap the car due to the cots of dropping a new/replacement/rebuilt engine into the car.
Gutted. Pissed off. Irritated that Jaguar were aware of the fault & seemed to do f
k all about it.Cheapest quote i have had is from the National Engine Centre in Cardiff - only thing is that i have never heard of them & i cant find anything out about them so i am a little reluctant to use them simply because i am up in Gloucester so it isnt exactly a five minute trip to see what their premises are like etc.
So does anyone know anything about them? Good or bad?
fatboy69 said:
Cheapest quote i have had is from the National Engine Centre in Cardiff - only thing is that i have never heard of them & i cant find anything out about them so i am a little reluctant to use them simply because i am up in Gloucester so it isnt exactly a five minute trip to see what their premises are like etc.
So does anyone know anything about them? Good or bad?
Is "Mon Ami Mate" still on PH? I seem to recall that he had his XK engine replaced by them, and was very happy. But it was a long time ago.So does anyone know anything about them? Good or bad?
Have u seen this on the RAC site? Might be worth it.
http://www.rac.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?11016-re...
http://www.rac.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?11016-re...
Found it...OP, hope the link below is of some use
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...
ENGINECENTRE said:
Hi, in reply to the posting "it can't be done for the money" I can assure you it can. We work on a fixed price basis, if we collect a vehicle and the engine is nikasil lined as a last resort we will reline it,but this is only if the owner insists on keeping an original engine no, normally though we will replace the block with an all ready steel lined one.
All the reconditioning work is carried out by a firm called South Wales Pistons who are F.E.R registered, the gaskets and timing chain kits are supplied from Stratstone Jaguar in Cardiff. We buy brand new crankshaft kits in at a discounted price so these are very rarely reground unless the stock is unavailable
The No1 failure on all petrol v6 or v8 jag engines is piston ring wear, leading to high oil consumption, which in turn results in a lack of oil normally followed by a knocking or seized crank.
regards peter
All the reconditioning work is carried out by a firm called South Wales Pistons who are F.E.R registered, the gaskets and timing chain kits are supplied from Stratstone Jaguar in Cardiff. We buy brand new crankshaft kits in at a discounted price so these are very rarely reground unless the stock is unavailable
The No1 failure on all petrol v6 or v8 jag engines is piston ring wear, leading to high oil consumption, which in turn results in a lack of oil normally followed by a knocking or seized crank.
regards peter
Thank you - i have seen the link & also read some of the claimed good & bad reviews on Google etc.
Wont go into detail for obvious reasons (never sure that some of the reviews on Google an be believed - just spend a couple of hours reading Trip Advisor to see what i mean) however a couple of local garages are sceptical that the work can be done for the amount quoted.
I am not mechanically minded so i dont know who to trust tbh.
Also i have not been able to source a decent engine for less than £800 so you can see why i am a little reluctant bearing mind i have been told that it will take anywhere between 12 & 16 hours (if not more) to remove & replace the engine assuming that it is a straightforward job.
Decided, i think, to scrap the car simply because i dont know what to do. Cant find anyone who has used them so i cannot get a good honest answer from someone not connected with them.
I am wary of being stung - not saying that they would - hence my reluctance to entrust my car with them.
I am not, in any way, saying that they are dodgy. Just reluctant simply because i dont know what their reputation is like.
Hope that makes sense - so please do not take offence.
Wont go into detail for obvious reasons (never sure that some of the reviews on Google an be believed - just spend a couple of hours reading Trip Advisor to see what i mean) however a couple of local garages are sceptical that the work can be done for the amount quoted.
I am not mechanically minded so i dont know who to trust tbh.
Also i have not been able to source a decent engine for less than £800 so you can see why i am a little reluctant bearing mind i have been told that it will take anywhere between 12 & 16 hours (if not more) to remove & replace the engine assuming that it is a straightforward job.
Decided, i think, to scrap the car simply because i dont know what to do. Cant find anyone who has used them so i cannot get a good honest answer from someone not connected with them.
I am wary of being stung - not saying that they would - hence my reluctance to entrust my car with them.
I am not, in any way, saying that they are dodgy. Just reluctant simply because i dont know what their reputation is like.
Hope that makes sense - so please do not take offence.
GC8 said:
ENGINECENTRE said:
Hi, in reply to the posting "it can't be done for the money" I can assure you it can. We work on a fixed price basis, if we collect a vehicle and the engine is nikasil lined as a last resort we will reline it,but this is only if the owner insists on keeping an original engine no, normally though we will replace the block with an all ready steel lined one.
All the reconditioning work is carried out by a firm called South Wales Pistons who are F.E.R registered, the gaskets and timing chain kits are supplied from Stratstone Jaguar in Cardiff. We buy brand new crankshaft kits in at a discounted price so these are very rarely reground unless the stock is unavailable
The No1 failure on all petrol v6 or v8 jag engines is piston ring wear, leading to high oil consumption, which in turn results in a lack of oil normally followed by a knocking or seized crank.
regards peter
All the reconditioning work is carried out by a firm called South Wales Pistons who are F.E.R registered, the gaskets and timing chain kits are supplied from Stratstone Jaguar in Cardiff. We buy brand new crankshaft kits in at a discounted price so these are very rarely reground unless the stock is unavailable
The No1 failure on all petrol v6 or v8 jag engines is piston ring wear, leading to high oil consumption, which in turn results in a lack of oil normally followed by a knocking or seized crank.
regards peter
Oil consumption on the V6 is not the cause of crankshaft failure: it is bad design.
J
My lovely, but still knackered, X-Type is about to be hauled off to the scrap yard due to me being unable to find anyone who is even remotely interested in fitting a new engine for me, let alone being able to source n engine or to get some idea of exactly what is wrong.
So - last call. Any offers, takers or comments before she goes & earns me £100 from the scrap yardm- a loss of over £2.5k.........
Gutted.
So - last call. Any offers, takers or comments before she goes & earns me £100 from the scrap yardm- a loss of over £2.5k.........
Gutted.
fatboy69 said:
My lovely, but still knackered, X-Type is about to be hauled off to the scrap yard due to me being unable to find anyone who is even remotely interested in fitting a new engine for me, let alone being able to source n engine or to get some idea of exactly what is wrong.
So - last call. Any offers, takers or comments before she goes & earns me £100 from the scrap yardm- a loss of over £2.5k.........
Gutted.
I must be soft in the head but give me a few days and I'll see what I can come up with.So - last call. Any offers, takers or comments before she goes & earns me £100 from the scrap yardm- a loss of over £2.5k.........
Gutted.
Send me a PM with your details, (reg no, engine code, etc) and I'll get back to you. Don't worry about being down south, I have quite a few customers there and can arrange transport.
J
fatboy69 said:
My lovely, but still knackered, X-Type is about to be hauled off to the scrap yard due to me being unable to find anyone who is even remotely interested in fitting a new engine for me, let alone being able to source n engine or to get some idea of exactly what is wrong.
I'm sure Tom @ TLJaguar would replace the engine for youHe is just down the M4 from you, near J11, he can collect also
Give him a call on 0118-976-2899
I called him although never got a reply so i have given up.
The damn thing needs to go asap as the garage owner now needs the heap moved from his site - which is fair enough as the car has been with him since last October!
It has been advertised on fleabay, gumtree & in a couple of magazines however it didnt sell so doesnt anyone on here want it?
I know that i cannot blatantly advertise on PH so please PM me for details.
Thank you.
MODS - If posting needs to be removed then fair enough however i am hoping that you will allow me to leave the posting on here as i am sick of the sodding car!!!!!
It just has to go & is too good to be crushed.
The damn thing needs to go asap as the garage owner now needs the heap moved from his site - which is fair enough as the car has been with him since last October!
It has been advertised on fleabay, gumtree & in a couple of magazines however it didnt sell so doesnt anyone on here want it?
I know that i cannot blatantly advertise on PH so please PM me for details.
Thank you.
MODS - If posting needs to be removed then fair enough however i am hoping that you will allow me to leave the posting on here as i am sick of the sodding car!!!!!
It just has to go & is too good to be crushed.
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