Jaguar XF - try hard

[swisstoni]

Never really did much for me but they do look like a quality car if you walk round them. It is about a 7 year old design now.
Jag seem to be on the up design-wise so the replacement ought to be more of a looker.

[bp1000]

My daily driver is an xfr and whilst the design was nice a few years ago it defiantly needs an update especially on the inside.

Looking forward to the XE I think it is, the mid size saloon and the xf replacement.

I love the thing myself, it's pretty brutal and make a nice noise with a custom exhaust and made a nice change to the German cars.

Not sure why people would buy the 2.2, perhaps they didn't drive the 3.0 which is a nice drive too.

[jamieduff1981]

I got ferried about in the 2.2 and thought it fairly naff. It does start sub-£30k though which is important. Many people just don't care about the engine so long as the car stops, goes and doesn't use much fuel.

My wife test drove the 240PS 3.0 diesel 2 weekends ago and thought it a nice car, similar controls layout to her current car and a similar feel which she values, but thought the engine was unsuited to her driving style. Like me, she enjoys winding a car up and diesel rev ranges just aren't for her. I'm impressed she even tried it to be honest as she was sceptical about the diesel performance before hand. It's not a bad engine per-se but again it's more about going and stopping rather than enjoyment. It's quiet rather than pleasant to listen to and like most diesels it's got no revs to play with and has lots of inertia. They've done the usual mapping trick of giving most of the fuel injection with the first 1/2" of accelerator pedal travel in Dynamic mode to try to fool you in to thinking it's got more grunt than it really has. That works for as long as it takes to get the pedal the rest of the way down whereupon it's apparent that you've already had your lot out of it.

We're driving a petrol one at the end of the month which should be more our sort of thing. As private buyers the whole CO2 thing is an irrelevance really.

[fatboy b]

jamieduff1981 said:

I got ferried about in the 2.2 and thought it fairly naff. It does start sub-£30k though which is important. Many people just don't care about the engine so long as the car stops, goes and doesn't use much fuel.

My wife test drove the 240PS 3.0 diesel 2 weekends ago and thought it a nice car, similar controls layout to her current car and a similar feel which she values, but thought the engine was unsuited to her driving style. Like me, she enjoys winding a car up and diesel rev ranges just aren't for her. I'm impressed she even tried it to be honest as she was sceptical about the diesel performance before hand. It's not a bad engine per-se but again it's more about going and stopping rather than enjoyment. It's quiet rather than pleasant to listen to and like most diesels it's got no revs to play with and has lots of inertia. They've done the usual mapping trick of giving most of the fuel injection with the first 1/2" of accelerator pedal travel in Dynamic mode to try to fool you in to thinking it's got more grunt than it really has. That works for as long as it takes to get the pedal the rest of the way down whereupon it's apparent that you've already had your lot out of it.

We're driving a petrol one at the end of the month which should be more our sort of thing. As private buyers the whole CO2 thing is an irrelevance really.

I definately prefer the Jag 275 diesel to my previous A5 & A4 3.0 diesels.

[jamieduff1981]

As diesels go it's a nice engine but fuel economy isn't a massive factor for us whereas reliability as it gets older is as we tend to keep cars we like a reasonable length of time. Modern diesel terrify me out of warranty, frankly. As we don't do rep milage the petrol seems the obvious choice for us.

I must admit that we both enjoy and engine that revs too, but some torque with it is also welcome.

[Dodsy]

fatboy b said:

Dodsy said:

Unfortunately Jaguar just havent moved on in terms of technology and ergonomics,

No sorry.

Yes really. My 7 Year old XJ has a better computer (although the display is very dated) and the same satnav as the current Jag line up. The satnav was rubbish when it was new in my Jag and the fact they havent updated it for the current line up tells me they arent investing in the user experience and tech. Compare it to the tech you see in other marques you'll see its pretty backward.

And the steering wheel controls are poor, who thought it was a good idea to have those silly wheel type things ? Nothing like as easy in day to day use as my XJ. I see they've dumped them in the new F type.

The paddle gearchange is a good idea though, especially in the 2.2 so you can stop it hunting around for gears and pick the right one yourself.

[Rick Cutler]

I have just got a Sportbrake 2.2d but went for the 200ps model. The 163ps just wasn't quick enough. Yes foot down from a standing start in auto mode is not fast. Use the paddles or put it in sport mode and don't think about speed just look at the speedo. My other half asked me to speed up a bit whilst doing 95mph on the m5!!

[pherlopolus]

I love how this was moved to the Jaguar forum.

If i was doing 50-60 motorway miles a day, and it was a choice between a golf GTD and a 2.2d xf I know where my money would go...

[Sixpackpert]

bp1000 said:

Looking forward to the XE I think it is, the mid size saloon and the xf replacement.

The XE isn't replacing the XF, it's smaller than it. New XF is coming soon after XE.

For what it's worth I like my XF 2.2 200ps. Quick enough, comfortable enough and cheap enough. Good spec compared to the German bore boxes and looks much much better IMHO.

[fatboy b]

pherlopolus said:

I love how this was moved to the Jaguar forum.

I kinda expect it from some of the mods on here. Killed the thread.

[Dimski]

fatboy b said:

I kinda expect it from some of the mods on here. Killed the thread.

Well, I feel that was deserved.

I switched from an XJR to an XF due to my mileage, then to Audi for the AWD when towing, and still do a lot of private miles on the motorway. I'm staying in slightly cheaper cars these days so I don't have to worry as much about day-to-day dings and giving them a tough life, however, for me, cars like the the 2.2d Jaguar XFs are the logical choice of the range.

Drive on a normal motorway commute. Go past an average 10 cars. You'll probably see a small Kia or suchlike, 6 Fiesta/focus size cars, 2 BMW/Mondeo/Audi sized things and one 4x4/mx5/whatever. I'd be willing to make a bet that most of the time, a Jaguar 2.2d 200 would be quicker than 9 out the 10. By the figures it should see off something like E39 BMW 530D, let alone the plethora of Focus TDCI type cars.

Then, although I cannot remember specifics, I recall Autocar suggesting that perhaps some of the best models in the XF range are the smaller diesels, maybe because the smaller engine block (I guess/assume/recall/am wrong) gives an already fine to drive car a lighter front end, and higher profile tyres aiding ride.

I loved my last two Jags (although the XJR was a BIG error), so if the head is suggesting a 2.0(ish) diesel engine large(ish) car, why the hell wouldn't I consider an XF? Still a lovely place to while away the motorway hours where the engine makes no difference at all, and (judging by my last one) a great drive going the good way through Wales.

But, regardless, to you I'd be just an ex Audi driving idiot compensating for his one exhaust pipe and 2.2 diesel engine by driving like a tool?

fk it, I can live with that.

[griffin dai]

Dimski said:

I loved my last two Jags (although the XJR was a BIG error),

How come? I'm looking at getting a x308 XJR or Daimler super v8 this year, would be interested to hear some negatives as well as positives before I take the plunge

[Dimski]

griffin dai said:

Dimski said:

I loved my last two Jags (although the XJR was a BIG error),

How come? I'm looking at getting a x308 XJR or Daimler super v8 this year, would be interested to hear some negatives as well as positives before I take the plunge

Mine was an X350, and suffered a communication problem with Jaguar's own SDD/IDS diagnosis systems. It meant that a simple engine warning light was a problem to diagnose, and my first visit to a garage was told their may be a £700 bill in spite of the approved used jaguar warranty. They quickly decided to cover it when I pushed.

My local Jag service centre told me it seems to have been an ex engineering car, but I never learned the exact truth. It threw up several warnings in 6 months, mostly I suspect related to the throttle body failing and causing rich running. All replaced under warranty, but the realisation that the costs had I been paying were in excess of £6,000, and that Jaguar never solved the diagnosis system problem while I owned the car made me trade it before the year was out.

I was doing nearly 20k p/a, stupid car choice but just a car I wanted to own! It is a shame I got such a lemon. I think on the whole the late petrol X350s are pretty strong.

[Kinky]

fatboy b said:

pherlopolus said:

I love how this was moved to the Jaguar forum.

I kinda expect it from some of the mods on here. Killed the thread.

A thread about a Jaguar .... here's a clue .... how about the Jaguar forum.

Thanks for the support

[griffin dai]

Dimski said:

Mine was an X350, and suffered a communication problem with Jaguar's own SDD/IDS diagnosis systems. It meant that a simple engine warning light was a problem to diagnose, and my first visit to a garage was told their may be a £700 bill in spite of the approved used jaguar warranty. They quickly decided to cover it when I pushed.

My local Jag service centre told me it seems to have been an ex engineering car, but I never learned the exact truth. It threw up several warnings in 6 months, mostly I suspect related to the throttle body failing and causing rich running. All replaced under warranty, but the realisation that the costs had I been paying were in excess of £6,000, and that Jaguar never solved the diagnosis system problem while I owned the car made me trade it before the year was out.

I was doing nearly 20k p/a, stupid car choice but just a car I wanted to own! It is a shame I got such a lemon. I think on the whole the late petrol X350s are pretty strong.

That's no good
The x350's out of my budget......I've always fancied a x308 so now's the time to get one! Running costs are a bit of a worry though but I'm only doing 5k p/a now. Just fancy a change from Saabs for a couple years and its only really the XJR that's getting my juices flowing....I do really fancy the super v8 though but might look a bit of a knob driving a Daimler as I'm only 36!

[pherlopolus]

Kinky said:

A thread about a Jaguar .... here's a clue .... how about the Jaguar forum.

Thanks for the support

I found it humorous, that a thread about someone's poor choice of car (a lower engined, diesel jaguar), and how they should have bought something else, was moved to the area of the forum for people who may like that brand. Like being dropped into the lions den.


Wasn't a criticism, it just made me chortle..

[whoami]

Kinky said:

fatboy b said:

pherlopolus said:

I love how this was moved to the Jaguar forum.

I kinda expect it from some of the mods on here. Killed the thread.

A thread about a Jaguar .... here's a clue .... how about the Jaguar forum.

Thanks for the support

You're going to have your work cut out then.

Take a look at the first couple of pages of General Gassing.

[Kinky]

Face of concern

[whoami]

Kinky said:

Face of concern

Not looking for concern, maybe just a little consistency.

Not a pop at you, just a general observation.

[whoami]

Here's an example (one of many).

Why is this http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a..., not in the MB forum?