2002/2003 Jaguar AWDs
Discussion
Cheers chaps. Yea would prefer a 3.0. Ideally its got to be auto. There is a couple local to me on evil bay, so may saunter over this weekend and test drive one to get a feel.
Wanting AWD as we live in Derbyshire and it can get quite bad winter wise so its a backup.
Not realky interested in a full 4X4 (disco etc)
Works only 12 miles each way, all 50 mph A roads so no town driving unless a weekend.
Wanting AWD as we live in Derbyshire and it can get quite bad winter wise so its a backup.
Not realky interested in a full 4X4 (disco etc)
Works only 12 miles each way, all 50 mph A roads so no town driving unless a weekend.
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They're mechanically identical except for the cylinder bore. They cost the same to run / same servicing and virtually the same fuel consumption. The 3.0 is reasonably brisk whereas the 2.5 is less so. The 2.5 is a square engine and the 3.0 oversquare. Torque is very similar low to mid-range but the 3.0 is appreciably quicker in the top half of the RPM range.
2002 / 2003 would have had a viscous coupling transfer box from new. These work better than the open transfer box from 2004 onwards on slippery surfaces but were prone to cracking the casings. It's worth checking the car's history to find out what it has. When they changed to open transfer boxes higher spec ones got DSC as standard in lieu.
Brakes etc are really cheap so if they need done I wouldn't worry too much. Rear suspension arms and bushes are all Mk3 Mondeo estate derived and although they work well when they work, they are fairly short lived so if the car doesn't feel tight and precise it's probably some rear suspension work needed. Uneven rear tyre wear is a common symptom of one long overdue rear arm replacements - just that the owner is a knob who needs an MOT failure to force their hand in sorting out a bad handling car.
Check what toys it actually has. All cars with climate control appear to have phone connectivity due to the presence of the buttons. The phone connectivity is a separate module though that most didn't spec in 2002/3 so press the buttons and see if it says "NO PHONE" on the display. Likewise, heated/memory seats, quick clear windscreen etc were mostly options.
If you're going for a 3.0 auto then it's maybe worth trying to source a Sovereign. Sport Premium didn't come out til later, most Sports tended to be fairly sparsely specced and SEs can be very hit-or-miss.
The split-folding rear seats were optional on saloons so if you need them, check it has them.
Also, they look great but don't ride well on 18" wheels. 16s or 17s are a much better bet. 18" Aruba wheels like those on my silver one below in particular have a deserved reputation for cracking and buckling too.
I've had 2 X-Types - a 2.5 Auto and a 3.0 Manual. The 3.0 is the engine to have, and the automatic is the gearbox to have. The manual gearbox is mechanically more robust, with the 5 speed Jatco auto occassionally being problematic, but with the AWD it's difficult car to drive quickly and smoothly as you can get a bit of shunt through the driveline. Fast starts are also not that easy to get just right. One always seems to either bog it down or end up riding/slipping the clutch. The automatic suits the car much better IMHO.
2002 / 2003 would have had a viscous coupling transfer box from new. These work better than the open transfer box from 2004 onwards on slippery surfaces but were prone to cracking the casings. It's worth checking the car's history to find out what it has. When they changed to open transfer boxes higher spec ones got DSC as standard in lieu.
Brakes etc are really cheap so if they need done I wouldn't worry too much. Rear suspension arms and bushes are all Mk3 Mondeo estate derived and although they work well when they work, they are fairly short lived so if the car doesn't feel tight and precise it's probably some rear suspension work needed. Uneven rear tyre wear is a common symptom of one long overdue rear arm replacements - just that the owner is a knob who needs an MOT failure to force their hand in sorting out a bad handling car.
Check what toys it actually has. All cars with climate control appear to have phone connectivity due to the presence of the buttons. The phone connectivity is a separate module though that most didn't spec in 2002/3 so press the buttons and see if it says "NO PHONE" on the display. Likewise, heated/memory seats, quick clear windscreen etc were mostly options.
If you're going for a 3.0 auto then it's maybe worth trying to source a Sovereign. Sport Premium didn't come out til later, most Sports tended to be fairly sparsely specced and SEs can be very hit-or-miss.
The split-folding rear seats were optional on saloons so if you need them, check it has them.
Also, they look great but don't ride well on 18" wheels. 16s or 17s are a much better bet. 18" Aruba wheels like those on my silver one below in particular have a deserved reputation for cracking and buckling too.
I've had 2 X-Types - a 2.5 Auto and a 3.0 Manual. The 3.0 is the engine to have, and the automatic is the gearbox to have. The manual gearbox is mechanically more robust, with the 5 speed Jatco auto occassionally being problematic, but with the AWD it's difficult car to drive quickly and smoothly as you can get a bit of shunt through the driveline. Fast starts are also not that easy to get just right. One always seems to either bog it down or end up riding/slipping the clutch. The automatic suits the car much better IMHO.
+1 on the estate shape although don't expect it to be Volvo cavernous in the rear
Comfortable car, mines a 2.5 Manual 2005 model with leather and 16" wheels
No road racer and the leather seats have deep seams that are difficult to clean
Wallows a little on country roads
28mpg
Agree with Kinky, the Jaguar forum is worth joining
Comfortable car, mines a 2.5 Manual 2005 model with leather and 16" wheels
No road racer and the leather seats have deep seams that are difficult to clean
Wallows a little on country roads
28mpg
Agree with Kinky, the Jaguar forum is worth joining
I changed my own transfer box last year. It cost me £700 for a brand new one which was reasonable, but it is an utter pig of a job to do in the driveway.
I did this simple mod to mine after seeing a few others on www.jaguarforum.co.uk do variations on the theme. It was a god-send as it would have been very difficult to pre-fill the box with oil before fitting and after fitting there's zero access to the fill plug. This hose and ballvalve allowed me to fill the box after fitting from above - albeit slowly, as well as top-up if ever required.
Horrible job though. It's one I wouldn't be in a rush to offer to help anyone else with! If I ever had to do it again, I'd just drop the whole engine and gearbox with the subframe - which would require better height than a driveway and axle stands can offer.
I did this simple mod to mine after seeing a few others on www.jaguarforum.co.uk do variations on the theme. It was a god-send as it would have been very difficult to pre-fill the box with oil before fitting and after fitting there's zero access to the fill plug. This hose and ballvalve allowed me to fill the box after fitting from above - albeit slowly, as well as top-up if ever required.
Horrible job though. It's one I wouldn't be in a rush to offer to help anyone else with! If I ever had to do it again, I'd just drop the whole engine and gearbox with the subframe - which would require better height than a driveway and axle stands can offer.
Jatco Auto box is a dog, very unreliable.
Manuals take some getting used to in some cars but ultimatly are better. If you just jump in from driving somthing else, you can get drive line shunt and appear to change gear like a learner, but this soon passes once you get used to it.
Listen for any odd bearing noises, could be rear diff or transfer box failing.
Do Do DO Check Check and Check again the sills, they rust like mad on the early cars.
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h344/tgk711/Si...
http://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/attachments/x-ty...
http://www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/yabbfiles/jwm/Attac...
Mrs TameTech has a 2003 2.5 Manual that I thought was a bargain at £700. Then I jacked it up and the jacking point just moved into the car.
Stupid plastic sill covers made it imposible to see, so you need to get down on the floor and poke with a screw driver.
I managed to fix ours for less than £100 of steel and welding consumables but spent 30-40 odd hours on it, would have been an unecconomical repair if I was paying someone.
3.0 is no worse on fuel than 2.5 and offers more punch, but 2.5 easier to find in good condition and cheaper buy, you get so much car for your money, smooth powerfull, great in the snow.
remember pre 55 plate is cheaper tax £270ish a year, 06 on is criminal £500. This killed off petrol sales and 90% of later cars will be front wheel drive diesels.
examples of 2002 - 2003 AWD's
2.5
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-JAGUAR-X-TYPE-2-5-V...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-53-Jaguar-X-TYPE-2-...
3.0
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-X-TYPE-3-0-V6-Ind...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-X-Type-3-0-V6-SE-...
What you really want 55 plate 3.0 manual estate with high spec in touch screen nav
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-x-type-estate-spo...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-X-type-estate-3-0...
Manuals take some getting used to in some cars but ultimatly are better. If you just jump in from driving somthing else, you can get drive line shunt and appear to change gear like a learner, but this soon passes once you get used to it.
Listen for any odd bearing noises, could be rear diff or transfer box failing.
Do Do DO Check Check and Check again the sills, they rust like mad on the early cars.
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h344/tgk711/Si...
http://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/attachments/x-ty...
http://www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/yabbfiles/jwm/Attac...
Mrs TameTech has a 2003 2.5 Manual that I thought was a bargain at £700. Then I jacked it up and the jacking point just moved into the car.
Stupid plastic sill covers made it imposible to see, so you need to get down on the floor and poke with a screw driver.
I managed to fix ours for less than £100 of steel and welding consumables but spent 30-40 odd hours on it, would have been an unecconomical repair if I was paying someone.
3.0 is no worse on fuel than 2.5 and offers more punch, but 2.5 easier to find in good condition and cheaper buy, you get so much car for your money, smooth powerfull, great in the snow.
remember pre 55 plate is cheaper tax £270ish a year, 06 on is criminal £500. This killed off petrol sales and 90% of later cars will be front wheel drive diesels.
examples of 2002 - 2003 AWD's
2.5
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-JAGUAR-X-TYPE-2-5-V...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2003-53-Jaguar-X-TYPE-2-...
3.0
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-X-TYPE-3-0-V6-Ind...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-X-Type-3-0-V6-SE-...
What you really want 55 plate 3.0 manual estate with high spec in touch screen nav
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-x-type-estate-spo...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-X-type-estate-3-0...
The Jatco has a reputation but it's not any worse than many other automatics. The Ford CD4E in Mondeos of the same era was much more prone to bad things happening in my experience. Many more X-Types have died from transfer box failure than gearbox failure, even accounting for some being manuals.
It's a bit of a red herring.
It's a bit of a red herring.
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