Production Ready AWD F Types

Production Ready AWD F Types

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DRodgers

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124 months

DRodgers

Original Poster:

44 posts

124 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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Providing they haven't made an already heavy car to much heavier these could b real 4/4S and Quattro competitors. Here's hoping some project 7 inspired options make the options list.

Impeccable trimming with the arrival of the AMG and renewal of the R8 pending (if the new TT is anything to go by the new R8/9 will be a technological marvel) also with easy on the eye looks and mid engined handling. Excited to see what team GB with a touch of Indian spice can cook up. Especially if it coincides with the long awaited manual gearbox...

DRodgers

Original Poster:

44 posts

124 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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Providing they haven't made an already heavy car to much heavier these could b real 4/4S and Quattro competitors. Here's hoping some project 7 inspired options make the options list.

Impeccable trimming with the arrival of the AMG and renewal of the R8 pending (if the new TT is anything to go by the new R8/9 will be a technological marvel) also with easy on the eye looks and mid engined handling. Excited to see what team GB with a touch of Indian spice can cook up. Especially if it coincides with the long awaited manual gearbox...

Phil.

4,755 posts

249 months

Friday 17th October 2014
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If they up the 4x4 Coupe to nearer 600 BHP, I'll be interested smile

unrepentant

21,212 posts

255 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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It'll be interesting if we get the AWD in the V8 as it is only offered with the V6 on XF and XJ.

ftypical

457 posts

117 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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The pictures show AWD badges on V8 as well as V6.

jamieduff1981

8,022 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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This promises to be exceptionally dull to drive.

The person who first thought AWD and sportcar went well together should have been shot.

DRodgers

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44 posts

124 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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[quote=jamieduff1981]This promises to be exceptionally dull to drive.

With all dew respect and like everyone else you're entitled to you're own opinion BUT the Quattro R8 is one of the best drivers cars in the segment, what the F type may lose in steering feel and gain in weight it should gain in 0-62, grip, all year round usability and lap times which clearly is important to some not all.

While I myself prefer RWD I understand from a business and top trump point of view the need to offer AWD models, plus it's not as if it's replacing RWD just more choice which should lead to more sales.

Let's face it the F type is overweight considering its aluminium construction, as I stated providing the can balance the scales buy lightening the car in feasible areas, it will be a worthy addition and interesting to see what the cars really capable of when it can get it's power down, because it must be frustrating but funny when wanted to get the tail out on the twisties when what you really want to do is catch the Cayman in front.

jamieduff1981

8,022 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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That's kind of it really. The sort of person who thinks AWD is an advantage in a powerful car should be banned from driving. Having a few miles in a V8 F-Type under my belt, it would take a very committed Cayman driver with equally bad judgement to cause a 2WD V8 F-Type a problem catching up - even in the wet. When it's wet you can't accelerate quite as hard - but it's still very rapid acceleration and the lateral G and braking dustances suffer too. Quite why anyone thinks the ability to bury the loud pedal in the carpet in the wet is a bonus is quite beyond me - and the urge to catch that Cayman is what gets people death by dangerous driving convictions.

All IMO of course.

Phil.

4,755 posts

249 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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jamieduff1981 said:
The sort of person who thinks AWD is an advantage in a powerful car should be banned from driving.
That's an awful lot of Porsche, GT-R, Audi, BMW, Lamboghini, Ferarri, Bugatti, Evo, Subaru, and Bentley drivers who should be banned from the roads then?


DRodgers

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44 posts

124 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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I'm not the argumentative type, but are bite you're bait this time and raise the questions at which point in my previous post did I
1. Say 4 wheel drive makes a car faster, I did state 0-62 times, off the line acceleration not overall speed.
2. Say when trying to catch a Cayman on the twisties (on a public road/ track)
3. Say which model F Type vs Cayman, most comparison between the two cars put the Cayman a quicker tool due to weight mid engine balance and grip the later is a know fact the F type has so much power it's easy to light up the rear tires, where four wheel traction will help

I need say anymore as my point is for such an opinionated person you like to read and fill in the blanks in others posts, I have no problem with you being sarcastic but please base your sarcasm on things I've actually stated.

Back to the car I love Jags and the F Type is no exception, I wish Jaguar all the success they deserve, if only more Brits supported there homemade cars as they do our national football team.

jamieduff1981

8,022 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Phil. said:
jamieduff1981 said:
The sort of person who thinks AWD is an advantage in a powerful car should be banned from driving.
That's an awful lot of Porsche, GT-R, Audi, BMW, Lamboghini, Ferarri, Bugatti, Evo, Subaru, and Bentley drivers who should be banned from the roads then?
Well Audis certainly! The rally reps and GT-R type things are a completely different proposition.

The V8S is silly quick even in the wet.

I do tend to exaggerate a bit or say outrageous things but my sentiment is that having to consider how far one prods the accelerator pedal is a good thing - maybe because I'm a TVR owner as well as being a Jag fan. I firmly believe that one needs to have a healthy respect for power because it really can get you into a real pickle if it's treated with contempt. I don't genuinely think everyone should be banned! (Except SEAT drivers, who have been annoying me today)

I've heard that the AWD F-Types were manual too? I'd hoped the rumoured manual cars would be RWD. Anyone know?

Phil.

4,755 posts

249 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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jamieduff1981 said:
I do tend to exaggerate a bit or say outrageous things but my sentiment is that having to consider how far one prods the accelerator pedal is a good thing - maybe because I'm a TVR owner as well as being a Jag fan.
I've owned an Impreza (4x4), TVR Cerbera 4.5, 911 Turbo (4x4), GT-R (4x4) and presently a V8S. All completely different but great fun. When I decide to change the V8S, a more powerful AWD Coupe R would be an interesting alternative IMHO. However, I'm not sure JLR will offer the AWD versions in the UK.

P.S. If you haven't had your Cerbera remapped yet you are missing a treat. Ignoring the additional power, it is the power delivery that improves the drivability in every way smile



Edited by Phil. on Monday 20th October 06:34

DRodgers

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44 posts

124 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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I sure do hope they offer the AWD models in the UK aswel as offering Manuel transmissions, not that are be able to afford one for some time mind, so I suppose what inmean to say I hope they offer neither, envy isn't good for ones health. Can barely afford the petrol on my 130i let alone a four wheel drive 5litre V8. With all the wet and cold weather we endure in Britain and with a horrid winter predicted and worse to come AWD May have a small business case. I'd like to see an F type that could seriously bother a porche 911 Turbo (on a track) and a stripped out RWD GT3 coupe. I'm hoping with Harry Metcalfe in the ranks we should get some seriously special cars the project 7 is a decent start point but I think they can get more weight out by offering delete options for things such as hifi, air con carbon fibre or fiberglass panels Jaguar could and should be a serious contender for serious car enthusiast, they've come on under the freedom and financial backing of TATA, I'm also looking forward to more Ingenium engine formats It's an interesting time to be a peterol head.

David87

6,648 posts

211 months

Monday 20th October 2014
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I don't think future AWD Jaguars, starting with these F-Types, will be restricted to LHD-only. I have to say, AWD sounds a great idea to me!

8bit

4,846 posts

154 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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I don't get this really. The F-Type (well, the V8 at least) is supposed to be a bit lairy and brutish. You don't put a burly nightclub doorman to work in ballet shoes do you?

DRodgers

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124 months

Tuesday 21st October 2014
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I don't disagree with you on the character of the F Type but I don't see a problem with the Addition of added traction for those who want it, AWD isn't replacing the current RWD layout it addition. Jaguar need to offer more choice to be competitive, in this world you can't afford to stand still you must move with the times or get left behind. I'm sure they will make it rear biased so the character will be there but so will the added traction, it's not good advertising that a car with so much power And torque can be flustered or beat by a cheaper but admittedly different engine layout Cayman or boxster. It has a lot to do with getting the power down jaguar have said this themselves when previewing the Project 7 it's not about throwing more power at it but transferring that power to the road. I don't in anyway think AWD will make it the F Type of choice just make it a more competitive car on the track and in slippery conditions, how many reviews have there been in the UK where it's tricky conditions for a muscle car as the F type v8s and R.

Imagine an F Type with the in gear acceleration already already possessed with the off line traction AWD brings, even Ferrari with there FF saw the benefits...

8bit

4,846 posts

154 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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I'm all for choice but to me the driven wheels is a fundamental part of the overall character of any car. I get how Audi offer FWD or Quattro (albeit half-arsed Haldex-style in a lot of cases) as a practical choice but a 2-seat sports car isn't a practical choice in the first place. To me though, the high-end Jaguar cars are RWD by design.

I see the benefit of this choice on the XE, XF and XJ and having thought about it I guess I can see the point maybe on the V6S F-type (so giving it some of the precision point-to-point ground covering capability of things like a 911 C4S or Turbo) but to me the V8 is a muscle car so I don't really see the appeal.

Each to their own and all that. I can see it making life more difficult finding a used model a couple of years down the line as well though.

Triple7

4,013 posts

236 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2014
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Jaguar missed out to BMW/Audi/MB in the USA with no AWD versions in their line up, an AWD F-Type allows an individual to have an F-Type as their daily driver all year round. Plus Jag can increase their output from the V8's and get it down to the road surface.....

DRodgers

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44 posts

124 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Triple7 said:
Jaguar missed out to BMW/Audi/MB in the USA with no AWD versions in their line up, an AWD F-Type allows an individual to have an F-Type as their daily driver all year round. Plus Jag can increase their output from the V8's and get it down to the road surface.....
My 100 lines simplified into 2.3, thank you Triple7 I always do things the hard way... I totally agree with your above post and appreciate it's directness, there's alot more to come from that 5litre supercharged engine especially with 4whell traction (for those who want it) and for every one else there's RWD happy days