What to look out for when buying an S type (R)
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Sat nav is pretty old school in some ways but works fine with an updated disc, they're easy to get hold of, I think mine is 2012ish, it gets a bit stressed in France but I think that's because they build new roads for fun!.
Others will advise on The Leaper mascot, I've never been tempted.
Others will advise on The Leaper mascot, I've never been tempted.
pherlopolus said:
you won't get a sat-nav disk any later than 2012, not being updated any more 
Really ?? 
Not even from a jaguar dealer? How do people get round this one, can you put different software on it somehow?
We travel to Holland, Belgium and France quite a bit so would like up to date sat nav without having a TomTom hanging off the window.
Just to add to what's already been said the two oil coolers are much better for substained high speed runs/cruising in hot weather/climates etc. The 19" wheels come with 35% profiles front 30% profiles rear tires so not as good a ride as the higher ratio tire profiles found on the standard 18" R wheels (although the CATS does its best to hide the fact) or the N/A V8 which while also being a nice place to be is not an "R"
Here's a few shots of mine had it just over 3 years now coming up to 38000 mls and been thinking of swopping it for an XKR but just don't seem to get round to it!!
Here's a few shots of mine had it just over 3 years now coming up to 38000 mls and been thinking of swopping it for an XKR but just don't seem to get round to it!!
Medic-one said:
Really ??
Not even from a jaguar dealer? How do people get round this one, can you put different software on it somehow?
We travel to Holland, Belgium and France quite a bit so would like up to date sat nav without having a TomTom hanging off the window.
Sadly there is no legal requirement for the manufacturer to provide support 5 years after the production date. NavTeq make the software for Jaguar and neither Navteq themselve or the Jaguar dealer network can provide updates beyond 2012. I have the 2012 disc in mine, and as yet am getting away with it, it does miss out the odd new roundabout here and there.Not even from a jaguar dealer? How do people get round this one, can you put different software on it somehow?
We travel to Holland, Belgium and France quite a bit so would like up to date sat nav without having a TomTom hanging off the window.
Medic-one said:
Really ??
Not even from a jaguar dealer? How do people get round this one, can you put different software on it somehow?
We travel to Holland, Belgium and France quite a bit so would like up to date sat nav without having a TomTom hanging off the window.
I have Nav and tend to use google maps now to get live traffic/re-routes, some peeps over on the jag forum are installing double din after market units.Not even from a jaguar dealer? How do people get round this one, can you put different software on it somehow?
We travel to Holland, Belgium and France quite a bit so would like up to date sat nav without having a TomTom hanging off the window.
I guess I could use my phone which has sat nav software, just not ideal.
What mileage did you guys buy yours at, only seen one with low miles (55K) and a few around 80 - 90K but also saw a nice looking one with 116K.
Would that be too much or still ok if it's looked after and services well?
I only do about 3 to 4K a year anyway.
Medic-one said:
I guess I could use my phone which has sat nav software, just not ideal.
What mileage did you guys buy yours at, only seen one with low miles (55K) and a few around 80 - 90K but also saw a nice looking one with 116K.
Would that be too much or still ok if it's looked after and services well?
I only do about 3 to 4K a year anyway.
My advice with cars like these is to be very careful around the 50,000-70,000 mile range. Many of these cars are timebombs with lots of impending expenditure. For example, I bet the valley pipe on that 55,000 miler hasn't been done.What mileage did you guys buy yours at, only seen one with low miles (55K) and a few around 80 - 90K but also saw a nice looking one with 116K.
Would that be too much or still ok if it's looked after and services well?
I only do about 3 to 4K a year anyway.
On the other hand, many cars with higher mileages have had all the expensive things done. My car, now on 108,000 miles, has had new suspension, the valley pipe and various other wear and tear items, all of which are good for another 50,000 miles or more.
I had a 60,000 mile E39 M5 that had £18K spent on it in the two years following that milestone.
engineer666 said:
Just to add to what's already been said the two oil coolers are much better for substained high speed runs/cruising in hot weather/climates etc. The 19" wheels come with 35% profiles front 30% profiles rear tires so not as good a ride as the higher ratio tire profiles found on the standard 18" R wheels (although the CATS does its best to hide the fact) or the N/A V8 which while also being a nice place to be is not an "R"
Here's a few shots of mine had it just over 3 years now coming up to 38000 mls and been thinking of swopping it for an XKR but just don't seem to get round to it!!
Lovely looking car. Exactly the same exterior colour, trim and wheels as mine. I also have a 2007 XKR with the 4.2L engine. Great car too but the S-Type R is still my favourite. Here's a few shots of mine had it just over 3 years now coming up to 38000 mls and been thinking of swopping it for an XKR but just don't seem to get round to it!!
9mm said:
My advice with cars like these is to be very careful around the 50,000-70,000 mile range. Many of these cars are timebombs with lots of impending expenditure. For example, I bet the valley pipe on that 55,000 miler hasn't been done.
On the other hand, many cars with higher mileages have had all the expensive things done. My car, now on 108,000 miles, has had new suspension, the valley pipe and various other wear and tear items, all of which are good for another 50,000 miles or more.
That's a good point. But then on the other side, if i was to get a 40 - 44K model i'd probably have a few years driving in it before i have to start looking at servicing those bits, and therefor can prepare for it.On the other hand, many cars with higher mileages have had all the expensive things done. My car, now on 108,000 miles, has had new suspension, the valley pipe and various other wear and tear items, all of which are good for another 50,000 miles or more.
Saw one that looked nice but stated the fuel gauge stopped working, is that common and/or an easy fix ?
Never been a fan of black alloys on any car really, but this does look awesome :
Does it look like he has spacers on the wheels though, or do they all stick out a bit like that ?
Medic,
I had an S-Type 4.0 V8 and the fuel gauge stopped working. Turned out the sender had given up. Cost around £700 at a JMD to repair..I think the part was around £500; maybe there's two of them, I don't remember.....this is from memory from some years back.
I've been reading this thread with lots of interest. I had the aforementioned S-Type from nearly new (it was a demonstrator) for 3 1/2 years and about 78,000 miles. Good car. I often wondered how much better the R would be. I then got a virtually new 4.2 V8(another demonstrator but only 14 miles) and had this car for 10 1/2 years and 128,000 miles. Once again I did give thought to getting an STR but never did so mainly due to the additional running costs particularly due to the fact the car would be more stressed and cost more per mile to run.
In June 2014 I decided to dispose of my S-Type, a hard decision after having the car so long, and contemplated an STR. The XFR was also a consideration but running costs of both of these were a factor. In the end I decided to get what I consider to be a good compromise. I bought an XF 5.0 V8 Portfolio. This is a little known model, actually it is the standard car for the USA market available in the UK to order only and never actually advertised by Jaguar. There are relatively few about. Compared to the STR it has the later technology, especially the engine, and has 384 BHP compared to the STR's 400 or 420 depending on the model, so the XF is only a bit down on power. It certainly performs well! The car was from a JMD, 5 years old, 31,000 miles, fully serviced, new MoT, full Jaguar warranty, fully spec'd (originally supplied to a Jaguar executive), and I got it for £19,500. The only bad part of the deal was the price got for my S-Type, but I knew there were some extensive costs coming up for it so I wanted to avoid these anyway.
R.
I had an S-Type 4.0 V8 and the fuel gauge stopped working. Turned out the sender had given up. Cost around £700 at a JMD to repair..I think the part was around £500; maybe there's two of them, I don't remember.....this is from memory from some years back.
I've been reading this thread with lots of interest. I had the aforementioned S-Type from nearly new (it was a demonstrator) for 3 1/2 years and about 78,000 miles. Good car. I often wondered how much better the R would be. I then got a virtually new 4.2 V8(another demonstrator but only 14 miles) and had this car for 10 1/2 years and 128,000 miles. Once again I did give thought to getting an STR but never did so mainly due to the additional running costs particularly due to the fact the car would be more stressed and cost more per mile to run.
In June 2014 I decided to dispose of my S-Type, a hard decision after having the car so long, and contemplated an STR. The XFR was also a consideration but running costs of both of these were a factor. In the end I decided to get what I consider to be a good compromise. I bought an XF 5.0 V8 Portfolio. This is a little known model, actually it is the standard car for the USA market available in the UK to order only and never actually advertised by Jaguar. There are relatively few about. Compared to the STR it has the later technology, especially the engine, and has 384 BHP compared to the STR's 400 or 420 depending on the model, so the XF is only a bit down on power. It certainly performs well! The car was from a JMD, 5 years old, 31,000 miles, fully serviced, new MoT, full Jaguar warranty, fully spec'd (originally supplied to a Jaguar executive), and I got it for £19,500. The only bad part of the deal was the price got for my S-Type, but I knew there were some extensive costs coming up for it so I wanted to avoid these anyway.
R.
Spend the whole morning look over this one, going through every little thing, and have just put a deposit down on it, and am going to pick it up on monday :-)
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Very wel looked after, full service history at local Jag specialt. Current owner actually come over to my house (lived not far away) and after testdrive he showed me all the receipts and work done.
I'd actually already found him on the jaguar forum and have gone through all his posts going back to 2010 which also showed the car was services as it should, and well loved.
Can't wait till i pick it up in 2 days now!
Lovely looking car Medic-one. Enjoy it. I've got an 03 4.2 XKR convertible and love the lowdown torque. My dad has an 05 S-type 3.0 after I persuaded him to get one. He loves it. I tried to persuade him to get an S-Type R but he's only in the country half the year at best and was happy with just the 3.0.
I love the support out there for the Jags on the various forums. A lot of helpful knowledgeable folk.
I love the support out there for the Jags on the various forums. A lot of helpful knowledgeable folk.
Tame Technician said:
2006 Model year cars got different brakes, the expensive brembo calipers were ditched for ATE ones, at the time were all thought this was a cop out and price cuts by ford. But the later brakes proved to squeak and warp discs much less, somthing the Brembo ones did all the time.
The ATE calipers look more like this,
I had my MOT a few weeks back and the guy said the brake pads all round are starting to wear a bit and will need doing soon, though they weren't bad enough to be an advisory.The ATE calipers look more like this,
Going through the paperwork i got with the car it had the read brake pads replaced exactly 2 years ago at a local indi, for about £ 150,
So i rang up that indo today to ask about pads all round, and he confirmed the rear ones still £ 150, but the front onces will be about £ 210, or £ 280, with labour (not brave enough to do it myself, going abroad in a week and don't want anything going wrong).
He said they were more expensive because my car will probably have "the expensive brembo's" but then i remembered your comment on here.
My car is first registered 03-05-2006, so would that mean ATE calipers then ? Would you be able to tell from these pictures which type they are :
jamieduff1981 said:
Those are the ATEs.
The Brembos are big monoblock things with pistons both sides of the discs. Your calipers are more common floating type which makes them ATE
Cheers for that. The Brembos are big monoblock things with pistons both sides of the discs. Your calipers are more common floating type which makes them ATE
Some folks on the Jag forum are recommending the 'EBC Redstuff ceramic, low dust brake pads" (http://ebcbrakesdirect.com/en-gb/Store/Automotive/vt/1/mk/9cecd2c4-ec6f-42f1-b59f-4e837b4e83f5/md/e2b1d017-ec75-407e-afc6-1fab2bc255f3/vid/8651f5d7-c87c-4b14-971e-a7097183c137#).
Would they fit my ATE brakes then ?
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