anybody here got an F type?
Discussion
johnxjsc1985 said:
I would be wary of spending 100k on a second hand car especially when that money gives you lots of options.
I love your old Ferrari quote.
I know what you mean and agree, but if your 100k bought you a mint Ultimate Edition DBS, or even a Carbon Edition (though I prefer the manual which few seem to be) I can't see that you would go too far wrong. I love your old Ferrari quote.
cardigankid said:
I know what you mean and agree, but if your 100k bought you a mint Ultimate Edition DBS, or even a Carbon Edition (though I prefer the manual which few seem to be) I can't see that you would go too far wrong.
I admit I love Jaguars always have since being a kid but I have never done badge snobbery or labels.What Jaguar have done in the last 10 years with the XKR and now the F type has taken them into another level and I mean a level of performance.
Don't get me wrong I love all the Astons but for a car people can use every day and you dont want a Porsche then the new F type has to be a great choice.
I don't say that Aston is necessarily better just that it's different, and I do think that the DBS is one of the greats. I think that it will hold its value, and in the very long term, be an appreciating asset. In the meantime one must maintain a FAMSH and hope nothing big goes wrong out of warranty. All in all a good place to park 100k.
As to spending 100k on an old Ferrari - it's equivalent to playing Russian Roulette Deerhunter style and looking pathetic into the bargain. Unless its a 275GTB. That's different.
For 100k I would be trying to buy a low mileage F-Type AND an XKR Convertible. Or maybe an F-Type and an E-Type, while stocks last.
As to spending 100k on an old Ferrari - it's equivalent to playing Russian Roulette Deerhunter style and looking pathetic into the bargain. Unless its a 275GTB. That's different.
For 100k I would be trying to buy a low mileage F-Type AND an XKR Convertible. Or maybe an F-Type and an E-Type, while stocks last.
mattf93 said:
F is trying to gain more and younger customers but still need to appeal to older people so could never have a really harsh ride in a jag unless it was a hardcore version e.g. F Type R-S or SVR etc. I never thought the F type would get near a Cayman weight - Porsche has time to continually develop Cayman and Boxster, for Jag its a new product.
I suppose that the question is, is the weight there specifically to achieve the Jag effect, or could they lose it. If so they need to, plus give it a boot which will hold more than a flat cap; Drop the price by 10k across the board; Then they have a hands down world beater.mattf93 said:
I love the F-type but for me (being 21) I would pick a Boxster GTS over a F type I think. If it was a coupe Id be extremely tempted for the F v6s or v8r 
So would anybody in your position; they are in danger of selling them to old blokes who want to feel young. Perfectly valid market - describes me to a T; But you are a young guy who would like a serious sports car not one of the many girl's sports cars there are out there - what do you think - Boxster/Cayman or F-Type. If you could buy a tooled up F-Type V6S (by which I mean black wheels and bits, and Performance seats) for 50k, you just would, admit it. So would I. The trouble is 70k wouldn't do it. I sound like a broken record, so I will pack it at that.cardigankid said:
mattf93 said:
F is trying to gain more and younger customers but still need to appeal to older people so could never have a really harsh ride in a jag unless it was a hardcore version e.g. F Type R-S or SVR etc. I never thought the F type would get near a Cayman weight - Porsche has time to continually develop Cayman and Boxster, for Jag its a new product.
I suppose that the question is, is the weight there specifically to achieve the Jag effect, or could they lose it. If so they need to, plus give it a boot which will hold more than a flat cap; Drop the price by 10k across the board; Then they have a hands down world beater.mattf93 said:
I love the F-type but for me (being 21) I would pick a Boxster GTS over a F type I think. If it was a coupe Id be extremely tempted for the F v6s or v8r
So would anybody in your position; they are in danger of selling them to old blokes who want to feel young. Perfectly valid market - describes me to a T; But you are a young guy who would like a serious sports car not one of the many girl's sports cars there are out there - what do you think - Boxster/Cayman or F-Type. If you could buy a tooled up F-Type V6S (by which I mean black wheels and bits, and Performance seats) for 50k, you just would, admit it. So would I. The trouble is 70k wouldn't do it. I sound like a broken record, so I will pack it at that.Id love a manual GTS Boxter (always like the thought of one) In winter could always switch to a cayman (theoretically) - I love them in sapphire blue or agate grey personally with either alcantara /contrast stitching or cream leather (always feels more expensive to me). I think as a coupe the Jag is definitely better looking car, a v6s manual I think would be perfect for a daily driver or 'one car' garage. To me as I've never driven RWD I would think that a AWD V8R Coupe/Convertible would be the better option considering the power it produces.
In relation to values when I specced up a GTS boxter online I think it came to something like £76k? (Porsche are unbelievably stingy with standard spec) and thats where jags are better they come with a higher standard spec. I think the F type competes with the boxter/cayman (even though they say it doesnt). I personally would opt for the lighter car at the moment as Im young. If I was in my 30s onwards perhaps my perception may change. Fs are Gorgeous looking cars though.
All cars 'new' price comes under fire from the used market - If I was given the option of a carbon grey DBS Volate carbon edition, or a V8r Convertible id pick the aston 100% why? Because 1) Its an Aston and its a goal to have one by 30 anyway, 2) Its got a v12 3) Its naturally Aspirated and a gorgeous car. Also in terms of residuals/value I doubt you'd lose much in comparison to a new v8r convertible.
Just my opinions, feel free to pick them apart for whatever reason
Happy
Maybe what Jag did was try to steal the Aston V8 Vantage's market, and in that respect it looks a pretty good effort, though is the interior special enough? The Coupe is great, but the convertible is a seriously good looking car. The pictures of Benedict Cumberbatch on his honeymoon in California in a pale blue F Type convertible looked the epitome of cool. However I wonder how large that market is, and how many of the people in it are focussed specifically on AM.
cardigankid said:
Maybe what Jag did was try to steal the Aston V8 Vantage's market, and in that respect it looks a pretty good effort, though is the interior special enough? The Coupe is great, but the convertible is a seriously good looking car. The pictures of Benedict Cumberbatch on his honeymoon in California in a pale blue F Type convertible looked the epitome of cool. However I wonder how large that market is, and how many of the people in it are focussed specifically on AM.
I would say if you want a british sportscar Aston is still the default go to, brand has more weighting than Jag (I think as a general rule its seen as a lesser product even if it isn't anymore). I think more people will move the to the Jag but I don't think enough will move over to the brand as there will still be brand snobbery. I think if it was me Id buy the aston first as its a goal to say Ive owned one - then buy the v8r jag as it will be an easier to live with proposition. I think both cars look sensational though (even if the vantage is technically an 06? car... Hard to say what personally Id pick as I love both cars and brands (love british cars - massive want of Mclaren). Both cars lightly used are good value, aston would probably hold value a bit better than the jag though. A v8 vantage or v8 vantage S would not see which way a V8R Jag / AWD V8r went due to so much more torque and power - but does the jag lack finesse next to a well sorted manual v8 vantage S (particularly chassis wise)? Hard to say really as I think everyone will have different opinions on both - I can guarantee the ZF 8 speed auto gearbox from the jag will be better than the astons auto though.
I guess to a lot of people it depends whether you're a badge snob or not? Or whether you want a naturally aspirated v8 that you have to really work and wind out to get the most, or something thats a breeze to drive due to the torque on tap? I guess that depends on the cars intended use and an individuals driving style. Jaguar seems to attack many cars depending on which engine it has installed .... I definitely don't see it as a 911 Turbo rival for the time being though (that car has always been a freak of nature in how quick it is).
Waitey said:
What's the issue with 13 plate F-types? All the ones I've seen look good!
The one I looked at was registered Jan 2013 to Jaguar and was in excellent condition. In fact it looked better than some 2014 cars I"ve seen.People seem to be saying cars registered to Jag are likely to have had a hard life.
If they can"t stand a hard life I"m not sure I'd want one regardless of age.
I didn"t buy the car due to the above, hope I don't regret that decision.
Thoughts on this anyone ?
we bought a 13 plate from a dealer it was there demo car , stunning looking at with lots of upgrades and the engine sounds sweet , not sure what people think is a hard life for one of these cars but they are built to last and take abuse !! our V6S is pretty quick and pretty hard to abuse on the road , only way to realy stretch its legs is on track and there they are great fun !!
TuxMan said:
we bought a 13 plate from a dealer it was there demo car , stunning looking at with lots of upgrades and the engine sounds sweet , not sure what people think is a hard life for one of these cars but they are built to last and take abuse !! our V6S is pretty quick and pretty hard to abuse on the road , only way to realy stretch its legs is on track and there they are great fun !!
sounds great, Photo?.TuxMan said:
Lovely V6S for us , had it for 1 year and it's had its second service this week (full big service £400) , it's been superb with no issues including a trip to Le man and 2 track days at Silverstone !!! Nice and quick the noise it makes is just plain rude and handles very well too !!! Been very supprised how easy it is to hang the tail out with the traction control fully on !!!
It's feels very light and steers nicely from the rear , will be a the Pistonheads Sunday service at Silverstone if you want to come over for a chat .
It's feels very light and steers nicely from the rear , will be a the Pistonheads Sunday service at Silverstone if you want to come over for a chat .
Guys! So we don't get this out of proportion, I did not say that 2013 F Types would give you AIDS. I said that a significant number had been post launch driving experience cars so keep your eyes open. Even I would buy a nice 13 plate F.
Matt
I agree with you on the F Type interior. It needs to be a little more special - not in terms of design, but in terms of materials. I have been ridiculed on another thread re the importance of smell. Smell an Aston. Smell a Porsche. For that matter smell a good 65 E Type Coupe. It's about the sensory experience. It doesn't feel 100k, though it is tantalisingly close.
I don't deny for one instant the F Type is the better looking car by a country mile. Particularly convertible.
A 76k Boxster? That must be some car. If you go on the configurator you can save a Porsche code for your spec. You can then post it on here and we can see it, including the images. Do that, would you, and show us. I may have to spec a car pretty soon and I'd like to know.
Don't worry about owning an Aston by 30. That is a totally arbitrary date. I owned one by the time I was 35 and it felt just as good. I sold it pretty soon after as I couldn't afford to restore and run it. You've hit the Aston thing on the nail. It's something you have to do, which is why I have a DBS. It is the most exquisite motoring experience on God's earth. I know I can't afford to have two Astons, it's potentially ruinous. I'm really a Jag man at heart.
Matt
I agree with you on the F Type interior. It needs to be a little more special - not in terms of design, but in terms of materials. I have been ridiculed on another thread re the importance of smell. Smell an Aston. Smell a Porsche. For that matter smell a good 65 E Type Coupe. It's about the sensory experience. It doesn't feel 100k, though it is tantalisingly close.
I don't deny for one instant the F Type is the better looking car by a country mile. Particularly convertible.
A 76k Boxster? That must be some car. If you go on the configurator you can save a Porsche code for your spec. You can then post it on here and we can see it, including the images. Do that, would you, and show us. I may have to spec a car pretty soon and I'd like to know.
Don't worry about owning an Aston by 30. That is a totally arbitrary date. I owned one by the time I was 35 and it felt just as good. I sold it pretty soon after as I couldn't afford to restore and run it. You've hit the Aston thing on the nail. It's something you have to do, which is why I have a DBS. It is the most exquisite motoring experience on God's earth. I know I can't afford to have two Astons, it's potentially ruinous. I'm really a Jag man at heart.
Edited by cardigankid on Thursday 7th May 20:20
cardigankid said:
I agree with you on the F Type interior. It needs to be a little more special - not in terms of design, but in terms of materials. I have been ridiculed on another thread re the importance of smell. Smell an Aston. Smell a Porsche. For that matter smell a good 65 E Type Coupe. It's about the sensory experience. It doesn't feel 100k, though it is tantalisingly close.
I don't deny for one instant the F Type is the better looking car by a country mile. Particularly convertible.
A 76k Boxster? That must be some car. If you go on the configurator you can save a Porsche code for your spec. You can then post it on here and we can see it, including the images. Do that, would you, and show us. I may have to spec a car pretty soon and I'd like to know.
Don't worry about owning an Aston by 30. That is a totally arbitrary date. I owned one by the time I was 35 and it felt just as good. I sold it pretty soon after as I couldn't afford to restore and run it. You've hit the Aston thing on the nail. It's something you have to do, which is why I have a DBS. It is the most exquisite motoring experience on God's earth. I know I can't afford to have two Astons, it's potentially ruinous. I'm really a Jag man at heart.
Firstly Heres the 'STUPID' Boxter I specced up a little while ago http://www.porsche-code.com/PG8172P4 Note that with a PDK and cruise control thats into the price range I said. I just had a change of heart to manual realistically with add ons Id be looking at a £65K car with all the options on a GTS Boxter (like the idea of a convertible even if its just for one summer! (Also note if I added Mexico blue PTS that would increase the price also - but I think that colour is more suited to 'GT' products). Even so thats silly money for a boxter - and not sure whether the PCCBs are a necessary option realistically. 70K Boxter money is heading to used 991 911 money as well....I don't deny for one instant the F Type is the better looking car by a country mile. Particularly convertible.
A 76k Boxster? That must be some car. If you go on the configurator you can save a Porsche code for your spec. You can then post it on here and we can see it, including the images. Do that, would you, and show us. I may have to spec a car pretty soon and I'd like to know.
Don't worry about owning an Aston by 30. That is a totally arbitrary date. I owned one by the time I was 35 and it felt just as good. I sold it pretty soon after as I couldn't afford to restore and run it. You've hit the Aston thing on the nail. It's something you have to do, which is why I have a DBS. It is the most exquisite motoring experience on God's earth. I know I can't afford to have two Astons, it's potentially ruinous. I'm really a Jag man at heart.
Edited by cardigankid on Thursday 7th May 20:20
Porsche don't give you a lot of standard equipment in general, on a GTS one would assume owners spend 10-15K (on average) on options?
Gearbox is personal preference but for the time being Id opt for manual gearbox (probably sports chassis), And Alcanrara bucket seats (contrasting red stitching with either a blue or red seatbelt). Carbon interior on the inlays. PCM Module, High end burmester sound, dual zone climate (I always like my face frozen off when driving - most passengers don't). Sounds silly but cruise control would be ticked as if ever find myself in average speed camera checks it would be far too easy to get eager with my right foot. Sports exhaust is 100% must in my eyes, as is the slip diff and torque vectoring - PCCB is personal preference - I probably wouldn't need them.
http://www.porsche-code.com/PGJHGLF1 Is probably more representative how Id spec a GTS if buying new(£69K - £15k options manual not pdk)), Im sure theres options there that most people wouldn't bother with and thats just a theoretical spec - I also really like Agate grey!
I like the cabin layout of the F type but some of the materials don't feel as high quality as they should considering the price range. (Unrepetent - I don't think Ive yet sat in a car with 'extended' leather perhaps that may make a difference to perceived quality and smell.)
I 100% understand the smell thing with exotic/expensive/luxury cars, friend has a DBS volante carbon edition, you get in and it just smells expensive and looks expensive (contrast stitching I think makes it look better too) in the interior, poor 'infotainment' does let it down and Ive never been sure on the paddles - too small? Other than that I feel the quality is just above the jag in the leather and centre console - I think the leather in the jag i sat in felt more 'plasticky'? But wasn't in that for a great deal of time. That said a new DBS volante was a 200K car not a sub £70k car so I think one would expect more quality?
Also I think a fault on the jag, and one of my biggest bugbears, is the paddles. Should be aluminium or carbon imo rather than a plasticky material also the roadster just lacks boot space. Please Don't think Im having a massive go at the jag its a lovely place to be and driver focused which I love and I am being overly critical on a lovely british sportscar that Id happily have and drive.
With regards to Aston Bond has something to do with it but always loved them, represented the quintessential english gentleman's sports car (in my eyes) so its something Id want to tick off and say Id done (not that its a compromise). I guess if I'm ever successful enough you can leave and go back to a marque but all depends on experience with the car and dealers (theres so many horror stories on here of dealers being snobby C U Next TuesdayS - and poor aftersales/service support)
But around a 70K Mark a used audi R8 v10 coupe or spider to me is a more appealing car - but its not english (interior doesnt feel as special as a post facelift vantage though) love the open gate manual
. (Love Mclaren as an British Automotive brand too ) Im barbling on talking rubbish. Note Ive not driven any of the aforementioned cars before I get any abuse chucked at me (thought id declare after a previous post).
>The Jags a fantastic british sportscar let down by a few interior quality issues - v8r will easily outpace v8 vantage manual or auto in standard or S form. Both look sensational - in my eyes both cars look better in coupe form but would happily have roadster or coupe versions.
>Porsche is a go to sportscar brand - not everyone will like them or their stingyness/option pricing.
>Aston, showing their age now (design wise) but a timeless classic and still admired by the british public at large.
Sorry for the long winded post for anyone that can be bothered to read all that drivel.
Happy
all Edited by mattf93 on Friday 8th May 00:33
This is what I would do -
http://www.porsche-code.com/PGF74ZM0
Total cost £65,500, and I think that is a pretty high spec. No satnav, for reasons explained. Manual. Someone suggested that the only significant effect of PTV would be to increase tyre wear, and I could do without that. GTS comes with a sports exhaust and leather/alcantara as standard, and I notice that you are speccing the GTS Communications Pack (which is as I understand it a GTS interior pack including stitching, sports seats and carbon dash strip) AND Sports Bucket Seats. One or other surely? Also is the Burmester High End audio not a bit OTT? With the engine making all that racket?
http://www.porsche-code.com/PGF74ZM0
Total cost £65,500, and I think that is a pretty high spec. No satnav, for reasons explained. Manual. Someone suggested that the only significant effect of PTV would be to increase tyre wear, and I could do without that. GTS comes with a sports exhaust and leather/alcantara as standard, and I notice that you are speccing the GTS Communications Pack (which is as I understand it a GTS interior pack including stitching, sports seats and carbon dash strip) AND Sports Bucket Seats. One or other surely? Also is the Burmester High End audio not a bit OTT? With the engine making all that racket?
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