anybody here got an F type?

anybody here got an F type?

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johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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a8hex said:
Nah they'd never allow those cars to be be made again.
Too many rules
Too much red tape
and too many people thinking we should never be allowed that much fun with our cloths on

Wish I had a video of the last time my XK150 got to play on the track a few weeks ago with CKL at the wheel rofl
One of the benefits of age is wisdom.

a8hex

5,829 posts

223 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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johnxjsc1985 said:
a8hex said:
Nah they'd never allow those cars to be be made again.
Too many rules
Too much red tape
and too many people thinking we should never be allowed that much fun with our cloths on

Wish I had a video of the last time my XK150 got to play on the track a few weeks ago with CKL at the wheel rofl
One of the benefits of age is wisdom.
And bigger toys to play with

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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a8hex said:
And bigger toys to play with
Shhhh don't spoil it

Riccardino

589 posts

202 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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johnxjsc1985 said:
I totally agree with Clarkson when it comes to Porsche they are the laziest design studio in motoring.
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Yes but the marketing department is brilliant!
Also dinamically they are still great car (against any law of physics)


johnxjsc1985 said:
I know some people for some perverse reason do not want Jaguar to succed but they need to stop attacking the F type because it is a fantastic car
I have notice that tendency for some people and I do not understand why.
Jag had difficult times and had to reinvent itself but the F-Type is really a great product and a perfectly placed to continue the Jaguar best tradition

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Riccardino said:
I have notice that tendency for some people and I do not understand why.
Jag had difficult times and had to reinvent itself but the F-Type is really a great product and a perfectly placed to continue the Jaguar best tradition
every Jaguar is punished for not being an E type. The XJS had everything from a 3.6 to a 6.0l Convertibles and Coupes even a Cabbie but is got slaughtered because it wasn't an E type.

cardigankid

8,849 posts

212 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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unrepentant said:
To compare it with the McLaren is just silly IMO.
I don't think so. The McLaren Sports Series 540C, the entry model, is £126k. If you are in the market for an exciting two seater, admittedly its not a convertible, the McLaren is a proposition. If you go on the Jaguar configurator and spec up an F-Type V8S Convertible, it is not long at all until you are well over 100k. That is big money. For that I can have a whole series of things, including a new AM V8 S Roadster, and machines like the 540C or the Mercedes AMG GT come into play. I would say that someone thinking of blowing 100k is probably able to stretch to £126k if they really want to.

Most members of the public couldn't tell the difference between a 540C and a P1 as it happens, it is essentially the same engine and the same layout, and I would gamble a guess that it is also a stunning drive.

By the way, this is as I understand it a site where car enthusiasts can chew the fat and exchange often conflicting views. We, I at any rate, make these comments because we enjoy doing it, and I want to see what other people will say and argue. I don't expect to reach a definitive conclusion, and I am not attacking anyone, least of all Jaguar, but I am entitled to my views.


johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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cardigankid said:
I don't think so. The McLaren Sports Series 540C, the entry model, is £126k. If you are in the market for an exciting two seater, admittedly its not a convertible, the McLaren is a proposition. If you go on the Jaguar configurator and spec up an F-Type V8S Convertible, it is not long at all until you are well over 100k. That is big money. For that I can have a whole series of things, including a new AM V8 S Roadster, and machines like the 540C or the Mercedes AMG GT come into play. I would say that someone thinking of blowing 100k is probably able to stretch to £126k if they really want to.

Most members of the public couldn't tell the difference between a 540C and a P1 as it happens, it is essentially the same engine and the same layout, and I would gamble a guess that it is also a stunning drive.

By the way, this is as I understand it a site where car enthusiasts can chew the fat and exchange often conflicting views. We, I at any rate, make these comments because we enjoy doing it, and I want to see what other people will say and argue. I don't expect to reach a definitive conclusion, and I am not attacking anyone, least of all Jaguar, but I am entitled to my views.
So you will understand that people are also allowed to diagree with you.

deadslow

7,988 posts

223 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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a8hex said:
Nah they'd never allow those cars to be be made again.
Too many rules
Too much red tape
and too many people thinking we should never be allowed that much fun with our cloths on

Wish I had a video of the last time my XK150 got to play on the track a few weeks ago with CKL at the wheel rofl
Big cats do inhabit the jungle, but I didn't know Tarzan was a PHer hehe

a8hex

5,829 posts

223 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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cardigankid said:
I don't think so. The McLaren Sports Series 540C, the entry model, is £126k. If you are in the market for an exciting two seater, admittedly its not a convertible, the McLaren is a proposition. If you go on the Jaguar configurator and spec up an F-Type V8S Convertible, it is not long at all until you are well over 100k. That is big money. For that I can have a whole series of things, including a new AM V8 S Roadster, ...
The AM V8 convertible is about a grand more than the F-Type, at least at base list price. I can't be arsed to look at the difference in spec of what you'd get for that much money, but the AM isn't really in the same performance league as the V8 F-Type is it. In a straight line you'd be more likely to be comparing the AM with the V6S surely. As to what would happen when you reached the first corner, who knows. TG lap times show the V12 Vantage being a little slower than an XFR and about 5s per lap slower than the V8 F-Type, both coupe times, nothing published for the convertibles.



Edited by a8hex on Friday 24th April 20:37

mattf93

1,273 posts

115 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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cardigankid said:
I do find it a little disappointing that a top end F Type, convertible or coupe, is actually more expensive than an equivalent comparable Aston Martin, specifically a V8 Vantage. I thought that the ethos was to deliver the goods for, say, 2/3rds of the cost. I still think that Jaguar are pricing the car out of reach of their target market, and I am hoping they will do something about it.
That was based on the convertible v6/v6s
the v8r or v8r awd have 552 BHP. ( I think) That is considerably more poke than a v8 vantage/ v8 vantage s/ N430.
The gearbox apparently is miles better in the jag than the aston, as a roadster the Aston is more practical, in coupe V8R has it.

lady topaz said:
I think I miss the drama of the V12V but pound for pound the R is a no brainer. For an every day car it is a far superior.
I still have an itch for a DBS, and there will be a new generation of Vantages soon, but then again at probably twice the price of the Jaguar.
1st world problems, eh!
Friend has a DBS Volante had v8 vantage, v8 vantage S roadster (both manual), then DBS Manual coupe. Current is an Auto Carbon edition, and it is sensational, personally looks and sounds better than a v8 r f type coupe or roadster. v12 note is so classy and the ride is amazing too.
I would say get into a DBS whilst the price is where it is at the moment. You WONT regret it.

Cardigan are you just intent on trolling everyone/their opinions. a Mclaren whether its a 540c or 12c etc are a completely different class of car and an absurd remark to make they're a baby super car not a sportscar. , double clutch box, carbon tubbed etc. And most won't leave the factory of less than 140K in value. So your statement about people who can afford 100k can automatically afford 126K is a little silly as there are some options you need so its not a 126K car in reality.
In v8 r form it is absolutely a rival to the vantage, it has a better drivetrain and gearbox by miles. It may not have the brand and handmade thing the aston has, but as a vehicle itself excluding that, the v8r coupe is a better car and easier to live with - sorry.

In relation to claims against 911s Boxter/Caymans, Jag targeted the V6/V6s at boxter/cayman buyers, the v8 r sits kind of around the 911 C2S or just above that between that and the turbo in terms of performance. As a product they look more special than the porsche (as they seem to be vastly more common) although they won't be quite as dynamic as they do weigh more. clap to Jag for introducing manuals back in. Also an AWD option on the V8 R in my opinion is a good thing as it was so tail happy in anything but favourable conditions (its still heavily rear biased).

To comments about the XKR I do hope they make another similar car for the golf club boys, but the rear seats were bloody useless. Gearbox was massively outdated towards the end. This would be great to combat the SL again. But would expect a v8 in standard form to be 400-450 with the R version being 550 and RS version at 600 bhp but have no idea if jag will bring this back again.

I think anybody who buys an F type is going to be happy regardless of what they get, I personally think the coupe is one of the best cars you can currently buy on sale.

Hope this doesnt pee too many of you lot off banghead

cardigankid

8,849 posts

212 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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mattf93 said:
Cardigan are you just intent on trolling everyone/their opinions. banghead
This is what I mean. OK?

cardigankid

8,849 posts

212 months

Sunday 26th April 2015
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If the V6 and V6S are aimed at the Boxster/Cayman, which they should be, rather than the 911 as some suggest, they suffer from their weight and their cost. A Boxster GTS is comparable with the V6 on power but much lighter, which makes the V6S the car you need. This premium Porsche model starts at £53k and you don't need to add much if you like the manual and don't want a Porsche satnav, which I wouldn't.

I always thought that Jaguar's shtick was to deliver the classic Jaguar thrill (which it does) for less money than the usual suspects (which it doesn't). Not to compete on stats with the likes of Aston Martin but at higher prices. The XKR was imho better than a DB9 provided that you had the Performance Seats, but massively better value, so I was sorry to see it go. I had a go at getting one but couldn't quite raise the price. It is a great GT car, I'll get one yet.

I also wonder whether people are going to pay £100k plus for a model where the very similar looking entry level model is a £56k Boxster competitor. If you get a low mileage demonstrator or similar for £65k then you have won a watch. Also while I accept others have different views, if I was looking to spend £105k I would certainly be thinking about what else is available, particularly the McLaren. I'm not sure that this is good news for P1 owners, because this is something which is very very similar (by which I mean that it is a sexy swoopy 2 seater with a carbon fibre chassis and a turbocharged 3.8 litre V8 mid engine ) for a fraction of the cost. That is not what McLaren did with the F1. I would think that these are going to sell very well.

While I am no expert on running manufacturing businesses, the Boxster is always credited with saving Porsche in '96. I would have thought that what you need to do is keep your line running and shift the units, rather than make the maximum amount on each one. You also have the residual values to consider, and poor residuals mean worse contract or lease deals, which seems to be the way a lot of people acquire cars these days. If the F started at £45k rising to £70k, they would be going like hot cakes with residuals to match. Is that not a better approach?


Edited by cardigankid on Sunday 26th April 00:56

mattf93

1,273 posts

115 months

Sunday 26th April 2015
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cardigankid said:
If the V6 and V6S are aimed at the Boxster/Cayman, which they should be, rather than the 911 as some suggest, they suffer from their weight and their cost. A Boxster GTS is comparable with the V6 on power but much lighter, which makes the V6S the car you need. This premium Porsche model starts at £53k and you don't need to add much if you like the manual and don't want a Porsche satnav, which I wouldn't.

I always thought that Jaguar's shtick was to deliver the classic Jaguar thrill (which it does) for less money than the usual suspects (which it doesn't). Not to compete on stats with the likes of Aston Martin but at higher prices. The XKR was imho better than a DB9 provided that you had the Performance Seats, but massively better value, so I was sorry to see it go. I had a go at getting one but couldn't quite raise the price.

I also wonder whether people are going to pay £100k plus for a model where the very similar looking entry level model is a £56k Boxster competitor. If you get a low mileage demonstrator or similar for £65k then you have won a watch. Also while I accept others have different views, if I was looking to spend £105k I would certainly be thinking about what else is available, particularly the McLaren. I'm not sure that this is good news for P1 owners, because this is something which is very very similar (by which I mean that it is a sexy swoopy 2 seater with a carbon fibre chassis and a turbocharged 3.8 litre V8 mid engine ) for a fraction of the cost. That is not what McLaren did with the F1. I would think that these are going to sell very well.

While I am no expert on running manufacturing businesses, but the Boxster was always credited with saving Porsche in '96. I would have thought that what you need to do is keep your line running and shift the units, rather than make the maximum amount on each one. You also have the residual values to consider, and poor residuals mean worse contract or lease deals, which seems to be the way a lot of people acquire cars these days. If the F started at £45k rising to £70k, they would be going like hot cakes with residuals to match. Is that not a better approach?


Edited by cardigankid on Sunday 26th April 00:17
Ill start with the Mclaren thing, a P1 is in reality vastly different to a 12c/650s. It has nearly 300 bhp more power, less weight, and has all sorts of trick bits of aero a 12c has. If you put a 12c next to a p1 or a 650s p1 you can see the road car dna in the 650s but they are totally different looking as a whole. You cannot compare the F1 to the P1 and now there other cars; the f1 was always a standalone product to the privileged few, as is the P1 but now the company is making 'cheaper' road cars its bound to use R and D from the P1 for its normal cars.
I was trying to say you shouldn't just look at the base price either as the majority of people will spec the cars fairly modestly as they want the car they want not what you want so I wouldn't have thought that many stay at 126 as I said I think they will rise to 140 onwards.
Mclarens are also a significantly different car, and I don't think many would want to use one as a daily driver as they can be too showy for most peoples jobs/businesses etc.

Yes a boxter GTS may be 53K but most will be 65K plus with options. You wouldn't spec those things Id say the majority of people would spec satnav as it would effect their resale. I could understand no Sat Nav in a GT4/Spyder, but can't see it being deleted in a normal car - sorry. I guess thats down to what you consider necessary. I would have thought that most people will stick with the PDK as well (last I heard 85% were picking PDK over manuals). You also need to take into consideration that Porsche are well known for being one of if not the stingiest with the standard spec of the car (think engine wheels manual gearbox and 3 basic colours) and thats about as far as your standard spec goes, they make their money on options really. Their cayenne and macan models are more their money churners now.

Due to weight the comparable car would be the v6s due to power to weight ratios. In my eyes the F type is too heavy, by at least 100kg if not 200kg, but they were never tasked with being as dynamic as stuttgarts finest. I would think a lot of people buy Fs on finance/monthly deals so to me the full purchase price is kind of irrelevant to a degree, you buy what you can afford.

I agree on the XKR over the DB9 (up until 2014 models it got its new gearbox and power upgrades that is - finally has the ZF 8 speed) cheaper to buy and live with and is quicker too. Just lacks the badge. Back seats for storage only though. But if someone gave me the option of a post 2012 Db9 or run out xkr (convertibles) Id still pick the DB9 haha.

Not everything is about values and residuals, otherwise Id call on GRB430F1 to the thread (sorry :P ) Jags top end car has always (in last 10 years) ended up starting at 80-90k coming out around the 100K mark with options.

I really dislike getting into arguments about the financial side of things on here as thats not what its about, the F type was pigeon holed to fit around the boxter/cayman/911 and v8 vantage kind of ilk. However as a strict two seater it does somewhat lack practicality next to a 911 but nobody really uses back seats in these things unless they have tiny kids.

Sorry if IM annoying anyone with going on. I could bleat on... V6S is the sweetspot in a manual as a drivers car, if you want ludicrous pace v8 R AWD coupe or roadster is the way to go. (Auto).

GarethR

41 posts

137 months

Sunday 26th April 2015
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It's very interesting reading all the various comparisons. First of all, I have not been a person who has owned many hiigh end sports car before ( I did have a 2.9 Boxster PDK a few years ago)

One of the reasons I chose the F Type was the pure excitement of watching one in the hands of certain motoring journalists! Of course I test drove one, but I really did not get long enough behind the wheel to form a detailed analysis of the car before placing my order. Like many I suspect, I bought mainly from the heart, not the head. If I bought from the head I would be schlepping around in a diesel people carrier. The heart fell in love with the looks at first sight. I always have been a Jaguar enthusiast, and have promised myself that I would own an E Type one day. However, whilst I could have bought a decent E for the money I have just committed, it would have been impracticality to do so at my stage of life.

I have in the past looked at 911's but always thought they were not exclusive enough. Who really bats an eyelid when a 911 goes past? I also bought the book about Gaydon era Astons, and was amazed at how much they depreciated which a couple of years ago made me seriously consider an early DB9 or a 4.3 Vantage, but concerns about reliability put me off, and the head won and made me buy a Discovery 4! (Which has been 100% reliable)

The Jag is exciting, stunning to look at, sounds epic, and it really does turn heads. In my opinion, the F is the first proper sports car Jaguar have made since the 60's.

Edited by GarethR on Sunday 26th April 08:45

mattf93

1,273 posts

115 months

Sunday 26th April 2015
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GarethR said:
It's very interesting reading all the various comparisons. First of all, I have not been a person who has owned many hiigh end sports car before ( I did have a 2.9 Boxster PDK a few years ago)

One of the reasons I chose the F Type was the pure excitement of watching one in the hands of certain motoring journalists! Of course I test drove one, but I really did not get long enough behind the wheel to form a detailed analysis of the car before placing my order. Like many I suspect, I bought mainly from the heart, not the head. If I bought from the head I would be schlepping around in a diesel people carrier. The heart fell in love with the looks at first sight. I always have been a Jaguar enthusiast, and have promised myself that I would own an E Type one day. However, whilst I could have bought a decent E for the money I have just committed, it would have been impracticality to do so at my stage of life.

I have in the past looked at 911's but always thought they were not exclusive enough. Who really bats an eyelid when a 911 goes past? I also bought the book about Gaydon era Astons, and was amazed at how much they depreciated which a couple of years ago made me seriously consider an early DB9 or a 4.3 Vantage, but concerns about reliability put me off, and the head won and made me buy a Discovery 4! (Which has been 100% reliable)

The Jag is exciting, stunning to look at, sounds epic, and it really does turn heads. In my opinion, the F is the first proper sports car Jaguar have made since the 60's.
Great to hear, what body type, engine and transmission have you pulled the trigger on? Oh and what colour as thats important too!

A chap near where I live at home has a few toys, I regularly see him out in his e type convertible, but alongside that he has a FType R Coupe, and I think they both look sensational, for pure experience I am sure that the E is better. But as a car to drive and hustle the F will definitely be the better choice especially if you need reliability.

I too understand about the Journos (does annoy me they seem to oversteer for a whole video, I would like a little bit more of what its like as a daily proposition just so prospective buyers are covered a little more). I love Chris Harris video on the V8R and of course Evo as well.

I do love what man maths can achieve, it would be boring if everyone chose to drive 3/4 cylinder 'efficient' diesels. Live a little, I think to be 'special' to me as a general rule has to be petrol and 6 cylinders or more (there are obvious exceptions to this rule e.g. caterham, atom, i8 etc). They must have a nice noise and make you feel special - I think they're one of the big things if you're looking at a 'toy' - how it makes you feel, how it drives etc.

In relation to Astons, earlier models up until say 08 are generally hit and miss with reliability, the 4.7 vantage was much better - if you want an auto, the gearbox shows it age in both db9 and vantage (although now amended with an 8 speed ZF like the jag for MY15 models in DB9/Vanquish). I would always opt for a manual vantage over an auto I think.

A big question actually, do you/did you have to buy your car new? as theres a considerable saving if you buy 1 year or older really rather than speccing and buying yourself? I guess thats what makes a difference.
As a daily driver though a F type R will Pi55 all over a v8 vantage s auto (single clutch automated manual shows its age - especially around town), especially now with the ability (not sure if mandatory) AWD system.

I wouldn't necessarily agree about porsches, but I do tend to look out for details for GTS/ GT3 or turbo models. rather than standard cars. And I only really like the 991 generation 911 if I was going to buy one as the interior of the 997s has dated quite badly (like the astons actually biggrin
But in terms of numbers there are appreciably more than astons. Default daily 'sportscar/baby super car' to buy for most light involving and practical.

GarethR

41 posts

137 months

Sunday 26th April 2015
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Already got it! (See earlier in the thread for photo) I bought a 6 month old 1200 mile V6S auto coupe, red. I was originally looking for a manual, but easier to find hens back teeth! I would have had to buy new to get one. Having test drove the auto, and bearing in mind that my wife also drives it, I opted for the auto. This enabled me to find a second hand car.

I've not done the sums exactly, it's a 2015 model, salsa, sports seats, red belts, red stitch, has Meridion audio. 20 " cyclones, NO cold climate pack, or switchable exhaust. NO dual climate. These are all acceptable compromises, and got it for 57k from Jag dealer. Got a good p ex on a 2009 Mini JCW.

Reasonable finance offer from Jag finance. Man Maths - 1 Sensible Head - 0 !

Also got a 13 plate D4, 52 plate Td5 90 csw, and a 66 S2a, so sports cars are not in the majority in our house. Still count myself as a petrol head though!

Edited by GarethR on Sunday 26th April 16:18

mattf93

1,273 posts

115 months

Sunday 26th April 2015
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GarethR said:
Already got it! (See earlier in the thread for photo) I bought a 6 month old 1200 mile V6S auto coupe, red. I was originally looking for a manual, but easier to find hens back teeth! I would have had to buy new to get one. Having test drove the auto, and bearing in mind that my wife also drives it, I opted for the auto. This enabled me to find a second hand car.

I've not done the sums exactly, it's a 2015 model, salsa, sports seats, red belts, red stitch, has Meridion audio. 20 " cyclones, NO cold climate pack, or switchable exhaust. NO dual climate. These are all acceptable compromises, and got it for 57k from Jag dealer. Got a good p ex on a 2009 Mini JCW.

Reasonable finance offer from Jag finance. Man Maths - 1 Sensible Head - 0 !

Also got a 13 plate D4, 52 plate Td5 90 caw, and a 66 S2a, so sports cars are not in the majority in our house. Still count myself as a petrol head though!
You have to live a little so I am happy for you (I am currently a skint student frown )
Id love the JCW let alone an F-type.

Maybe Im boring put I like Blue grey and white. Although I wouldn't say no to a bright colour either (no green) . Also think cream leather is a big thing either as a coupe of convertible. Does yours have the 'plastic' orange looking paddles? Whats it got around the entertainment surrounds? As I know someone who had their wheels painted, callipers done (red as car white), and had interior fascias carbon dipped - have to say looked good and a much cheaper alternative to what jag advertise for it!

I have a lot of respect for someone who buys a D4 must be said (Im thinking Alpina or is it a Disco 4) Alpina is fairly petrol head even for a derv - Chris Harris says so (so must be law). Still love the Disco too as I am a country bumpkin. The rest I have no clue what they are :P

Have fun with your car, maybe in 20 years time I might be able to afford one!

GarethR

41 posts

137 months

Sunday 26th April 2015
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Yes it has the 'Ignis' paddles and start button. Surrounds are gloss black.

All other cars are Land Rovers. Disco 4, Defender 90 Td5, and my prized 1966 Series 2a long wheel base, ex army soft top! I had that for 20 years, and drove it to the south of Morocco and back a few years ago, but another story!

unrepentant

21,256 posts

256 months

Sunday 26th April 2015
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mattf93 said:
Maybe Im boring put I like Blue grey and white. Although I wouldn't say no to a bright colour either (no green) . Also think cream leather is a big thing either as a coupe of convertible.

a8hex

5,829 posts

223 months

Thursday 30th April 2015
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F-Type comparable with the 911?
Did I see the cover of Autocar while in the supermarket today it the F-Type coupe, 911 and something AMG? Can't find it on their website now and couldn't get close enough to the magazine rack to look in more detail. But it looked like they felt that the cars were comparable, since they'd been chosen for a comparison.