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The F-Type is also the cheapest of all (AMG is much more expensive)
I would have problem to choose the AMG over a McLaren 540c because there really the price are matching (and not with the F-Type)
911 still winner if you want a car for the time but the F-Type still lot of fun with the AMG in between
Goes back to what has been said several time
Based on the engine the F-Type can compete with various cars (I have seen comparisons with a lot of different cars in magazines), even if relatively expensive at the end it is often cheaper than the others, might not be the best on a lap time but every says that you leave the car with a big smile on your face!!!
If too expensive for some just wait for a good second hand
The F-Type is also the cheapest of all (AMG is much more expensive)
I would have problem to choose the AMG over a McLaren 540c because there really the price are matching (and not with the F-Type)
911 still winner if you want a car for the time but the F-Type still lot of fun with the AMG in between
Goes back to what has been said several time
Based on the engine the F-Type can compete with various cars (I have seen comparisons with a lot of different cars in magazines), even if relatively expensive at the end it is often cheaper than the others, might not be the best on a lap time but every says that you leave the car with a big smile on your face!!!
If too expensive for some just wait for a good second hand
Regarding the 2013 cars first registered to Jaguar, are they really to be avoided ?
Surely they can cope with a bit of a hard life ?
Is there anyway of finding out the history of a particular car ?
I looked at a 2013 recently first registered to Jaguar and claiming to be a motor show car but these comments have put me off.
Surely they can cope with a bit of a hard life ?
Is there anyway of finding out the history of a particular car ?
I looked at a 2013 recently first registered to Jaguar and claiming to be a motor show car but these comments have put me off.
mattf93 said:
If you put a 12c next to a p1 or a 650s p1 you can see the road car dna in the 650s but they are totally different looking as a whole.
You can and I can, but most of the public and a lot of others couldn't.mattf93 said:
You cannot compare the F1 to the P1 and now there other cars; the f1 was always a standalone product to the privileged few, as is the P1 but now the company is making 'cheaper' road cars its bound to use R and D from the P1 for its normal cars.
That's my point - for that reason the P1 won't be the desirable car the F1 was and is.mattf93 said:
Yes a Boxster GTS may be 53K but most will be 65K plus with options.
The GTS comes with a high level of spec - You have to work really hard to spend £65k - try the configurator if you don't believe me. Why anyone would want other than red, white or black beats me. mattf93 said:
You wouldn't spec those things Id say the majority of people would spec satnav as it would effect their resale. I could understand no Sat Nav in a GT4/Spyder, but can't see it being deleted in a normal car - sorry. I guess thats down to what you consider necessary. I would have thought that most people will stick with the PDK as well (last I heard 85% were picking PDK over manuals).
By deleting satnav in the GT4 and Spyder that makes it cool to delete it in other sports oriented models. A rare and minor own goal for Porsche? Plus of course a TomTom blows it into the weeds. Furthermore, I appreciate that most people today like autos and the PDK is a beautiful auto box, but it is less fun than a manual, and I totally would not have it. Nor would Walter Rohrl according to the clips on Youtube. That's 4.5k saved straightaway. The question is whether to buy the PCCB at £5k. Few do. It seems utterly pointless to me to buy an unnecessary and bling interior, an average satnav and an auto box for the thick end of 7k. mattf93 said:
Due to weight the comparable car would be the v6s due to power to weight ratios. In my eyes the F type is too heavy, by at least 100kg if not 200kg, but they were never tasked with being as dynamic as Stuttgarts finest.
Stuttgart's finest is the international benchmark so why would they not compete with it? They have to.paul1962 said:
Regarding the 2013 cars first registered to Jaguar, are they really to be avoided ?
Surely they can cope with a bit of a hard life ?
Is there anyway of finding out the history of a particular car ?
I looked at a 2013 recently first registered to Jaguar and claiming to be a motor show car but these comments have put me off.
Have a close look at the car and make up your own mind. I was in one on a driving experience and it has a cracked windscreen from grit thrown up on the track. Those cars were getting a good caning as you would expect, and very impressive they were too.Surely they can cope with a bit of a hard life ?
Is there anyway of finding out the history of a particular car ?
I looked at a 2013 recently first registered to Jaguar and claiming to be a motor show car but these comments have put me off.
cardigankid said:
paul1962 said:
Regarding the 2013 cars first registered to Jaguar, are they really to be avoided ?
Surely they can cope with a bit of a hard life ?
Is there anyway of finding out the history of a particular car ?
I looked at a 2013 recently first registered to Jaguar and claiming to be a motor show car but these comments have put me off.
Have a close look at the car and make up your own mind. I was in one on a driving experience and it has a cracked windscreen from grit thrown up on the track. Those cars were getting a good caning as you would expect, and very impressive they were too.Surely they can cope with a bit of a hard life ?
Is there anyway of finding out the history of a particular car ?
I looked at a 2013 recently first registered to Jaguar and claiming to be a motor show car but these comments have put me off.
The car I looked at is a V6 non-s and appeared to be in very good condition. No stone chips or marks in the paint. Interior was excellent with no signs of wear or marks.
I guess my main concern was the state of parts I couldnt see, such as engine and gearbox etc. Still got a year of Jaguars original warranty left so that should cover anything major, shouldn't it ?
This would be my first Jag purchase so I want to get it right
paul1962 said:
Thanks for your comments.
The car I looked at is a V6 non-s and appeared to be in very good condition. No stone chips or marks in the paint. Interior was excellent with no signs of wear or marks.
I guess my main concern was the state of parts I couldnt see, such as engine and gearbox etc. Still got a year of Jaguars original warranty left so that should cover anything major, shouldn't it ?
This would be my first Jag purchase so I want to get it right
I have heard the Jag warranty is very good.The car I looked at is a V6 non-s and appeared to be in very good condition. No stone chips or marks in the paint. Interior was excellent with no signs of wear or marks.
I guess my main concern was the state of parts I couldnt see, such as engine and gearbox etc. Still got a year of Jaguars original warranty left so that should cover anything major, shouldn't it ?
This would be my first Jag purchase so I want to get it right
cardigankid said:
mattf93 said:
If you put a 12c next to a p1 or a 650s p1 you can see the road car dna in the 650s but they are totally different looking as a whole.
You can and I can, but most of the public and a lot of others couldn't.mattf93 said:
You cannot compare the F1 to the P1 and now there other cars; the f1 was always a standalone product to the privileged few, as is the P1 but now the company is making 'cheaper' road cars its bound to use R and D from the P1 for its normal cars.
That's my point - for that reason the P1 won't be the desirable car the F1 was and is.mattf93 said:
Yes a Boxster GTS may be 53K but most will be 65K plus with options.
The GTS comes with a high level of spec - You have to work really hard to spend £65k - try the configurator if you don't believe me. Why anyone would want other than red, white or black beats me. mattf93 said:
You wouldn't spec those things Id say the majority of people would spec satnav as it would effect their resale. I could understand no Sat Nav in a GT4/Spyder, but can't see it being deleted in a normal car - sorry. I guess thats down to what you consider necessary. I would have thought that most people will stick with the PDK as well (last I heard 85% were picking PDK over manuals).
By deleting satnav in the GT4 and Spyder that makes it cool to delete it in other sports oriented models. A rare and minor own goal for Porsche? Plus of course a TomTom blows it into the weeds. Furthermore, I appreciate that most people today like autos and the PDK is a beautiful auto box, but it is less fun than a manual, and I totally would not have it. Nor would Walter Rohrl according to the clips on Youtube. That's 4.5k saved straightaway. The question is whether to buy the PCCB at £5k. Few do. It seems utterly pointless to me to buy an unnecessary and bling interior, an average satnav and an auto box for the thick end of 7k. mattf93 said:
Due to weight the comparable car would be the v6s due to power to weight ratios. In my eyes the F type is too heavy, by at least 100kg if not 200kg, but they were never tasked with being as dynamic as Stuttgarts finest.
Stuttgart's finest is the international benchmark so why would they not compete with it? They have to.I still don't get your thinking about it being acceptable to delete the PCM module? (which includes nav) so will agree to disagree - NO cars satnav is as good as a standalone tom-tom or garmin. Know plenty of owners with 458s etc who have another satnav especially if they do european driving. Gearbox and PCCB is very much personal taste/usage!
Jag know what their target is, generally has always been older but F is trying to gain more and younger customers but still need to appeal to older people so could never have a really harsh ride in a jag unless it was a hardcore version e.g. Ftype R-S or SVR etc. I never thought the F type would get near a cayman weight - Porsche has time to continually develop cayman and boxter, for jag its a new product.
That said I love the F-type but for me (being 21) I would pick a Boxter GTS over a F type I think. If it was a coupe Id be extremely tempted for the F v6s or v8r
mattf93 said:
In relation to colours its is very much personal taste - I tend to prefer less common or different colours, but do like grey and blue in most things (sorry if thats boring to you)
I still don't get your thinking about it being acceptable to delete the PCM module? (which includes nav) so will agree to disagree - NO cars satnav is as good as a standalone tom-tom or garmin. Know plenty of owners with 458s etc who have another satnav especially if they do european driving. Gearbox and PCCB is very much personal taste/usage!
Jag know what their target is, generally has always been older but F is trying to gain more and younger customers but still need to appeal to older people so could never have a really harsh ride in a jag unless it was a hardcore version e.g. Ftype R-S or SVR etc. I never thought the F type would get near a cayman weight - Porsche has time to continually develop cayman and boxter, for jag its a new product.
That said I love the F-type but for me (being 21) I would pick a Boxter GTS over a F type I think. If it was a coupe Id be extremely tempted for the F v6s or v8r
jag or a fastback Bettle no thanks Jag every tiemI still don't get your thinking about it being acceptable to delete the PCM module? (which includes nav) so will agree to disagree - NO cars satnav is as good as a standalone tom-tom or garmin. Know plenty of owners with 458s etc who have another satnav especially if they do european driving. Gearbox and PCCB is very much personal taste/usage!
Jag know what their target is, generally has always been older but F is trying to gain more and younger customers but still need to appeal to older people so could never have a really harsh ride in a jag unless it was a hardcore version e.g. Ftype R-S or SVR etc. I never thought the F type would get near a cayman weight - Porsche has time to continually develop cayman and boxter, for jag its a new product.
That said I love the F-type but for me (being 21) I would pick a Boxter GTS over a F type I think. If it was a coupe Id be extremely tempted for the F v6s or v8r
cardigankid said:
For me, if I am looking for a deluxe high performance sports convertible, I look at the Morgan, but dismiss it fairly quickly, then I would consider the Boxster and the F Type. Caterham is nice but for me too exposed and too much like a motor bike.
Which is just about where I am, with a 100k max budget. The "Trad" Morgans can be discounted unless you like the feel of the chassis flexing underneath you and the car bouncing from pothole to pothole. The Aero based Morgans should be different having modern glued ally chassis, but unlike Lotus, Morgan dont have the technical skills in house to exploit the chassis and so the test reports havent been uniformly good. In any case, the price is high.So you start looking at Porkers as I did. Very competent , well engineered but like dicks - half the world seems to have one. And inside they are much like every other German car. I have tried to want one. I really have. But I just cant persuade myself that I do. And where is the point in chosing a big boys toy on the basis of logic and common sense rather than heart?
The next stop was Ferrari. Lovely to look at, the badge to have and the nearest I have found to a grown up version of the Elise R that I currently have and enjoy driving. I would like one but then a little voice says " paying 100k for a 10 year old car? You must be mad". Plus there are questions about useability ( dare you park one in a side street, dare you do 10k miles a year?) and maintenance costs. Not ruled out but it left me looking at what else there might be and hence the question about the F Type.
Ruled out Lambo - the angular styling is far too much " look at me" poser style, however good the dynamics and engineering might be. Ruled out Aston - too old and staid, plus doubts about reliability.
And thats where I am. Nearly new F type or 10 year old 430?
bordseye said:
The next stop was Ferrari. Lovely to look at, the badge to have and the nearest I have found to a grown up version of the Elise R that I currently have and enjoy driving. I would like one but then a little voice says " paying 100k for a 10 year old car? You must be mad". Plus there are questions about useability ( dare you park one in a side street, dare you do 10k miles a year?) and maintenance costs. Not ruled out but it left me looking at what else there might be and hence the question about the F Type.
Ruled out Aston - too old and staid, plus doubts about reliability.
And thats where I am. Nearly new F type or 10 year old 430?
Friend has had a DBS and DBS Volante, and they're the best cars he's owned, not to everyones taste but really are worth a look.Ruled out Aston - too old and staid, plus doubts about reliability.
And thats where I am. Nearly new F type or 10 year old 430?
Was driven in a 430 yesterday, if you want any form of new equipment, don't bother its got a radio (that you probably won't use much) and thats it. also as you've said unlike aston and f type F cars are mileage sensitive they tend to say anymore than 5k a year is too much which sucks.
Test drive a DBS you may or may not like it - that or a v12 vantage with comfort seats.
As a daily as much as id say 430 id pick F type, I think it ruins a car like thats occasion if you press it into daily service (unless you have several cars)
Whilst I can afford the 100k, it was altogether too hard earned for me to simply write it off. So depreciation matters and thats where Ferrari seem to have Porker and Jaguar well beaten. As a toy car which might do maybe 5k miles a year, the total cost of running a 430 is likely to be less than that of a Porker. Who ever saw a Ferrari in decent nick priced at 15k - but its quite easy to find an old 911 at that figure. Likely the same for a Jag.
My guess at the very rough 5 year arithmetic ( excluding petrol, tyres tax etc) goes something like :
430 - buy 100k sell 75k service 20k ownership 45k
F type - buy at 100k sell 30k service 5k loss 75k
911 - buy 100k sell 30k service 10k loss 80k
I have no doubt that there will be huge disagreement with these numbers but does anyone argue that the basic conclusion - that the Ferrari will depreciate less but cost more to maintain - is wrong?
My guess at the very rough 5 year arithmetic ( excluding petrol, tyres tax etc) goes something like :
430 - buy 100k sell 75k service 20k ownership 45k
F type - buy at 100k sell 30k service 5k loss 75k
911 - buy 100k sell 30k service 10k loss 80k
I have no doubt that there will be huge disagreement with these numbers but does anyone argue that the basic conclusion - that the Ferrari will depreciate less but cost more to maintain - is wrong?
Overall Id agree, Ferrari is more exclusive, and tends to hold strong in residuals due to brand loyalty too. Car I was in yesterday was a 55 reg (private plate) F1 430 with 23K Miles on the clock, had carbon seats and interior. Was a really nice place to be sat but the engine and sound was just a barage on the senses and I think thats where the others would lack a bit of fizz next to the ferrari?
For residuals the 430 is a safer bet but does have higher maintenance costs - but not extortionate as long as you keep everything in good shape, I don't think the 430 has aged as badly as say older 911s/boxters though.
All depends what the OP wants, if he's prepared to sacrifice 'new tech' for a proper experience or not? Only you can make that decision but I remember that changed from an RS5 to a 430 as a daily driver as he wanted to go quicker and feel more special
For residuals the 430 is a safer bet but does have higher maintenance costs - but not extortionate as long as you keep everything in good shape, I don't think the 430 has aged as badly as say older 911s/boxters though.
All depends what the OP wants, if he's prepared to sacrifice 'new tech' for a proper experience or not? Only you can make that decision but I remember that changed from an RS5 to a 430 as a daily driver as he wanted to go quicker and feel more special
I've just bought one! A V6S
The car sounded fantastic on the test drive and although not quite as exotic as a 430 (which I have driven a good friend of mines on a few occasions) I'd say it's one of the closest cars to offer a similar type of sound. By that I mean wherever you put your foot on the accelerator there is a different type of noise to embrace. Superb!
The car also reminded me of an S2000 I owned a good while back in that this F Type V6S didn't seem to be torque monster (although it had considerably decent pick up), it seemed to enjoy being revved and the power was up there along with the intoxicating noise. Very exciting to drive
I really think jaguar have got it right with this car.
The car sounded fantastic on the test drive and although not quite as exotic as a 430 (which I have driven a good friend of mines on a few occasions) I'd say it's one of the closest cars to offer a similar type of sound. By that I mean wherever you put your foot on the accelerator there is a different type of noise to embrace. Superb!
The car also reminded me of an S2000 I owned a good while back in that this F Type V6S didn't seem to be torque monster (although it had considerably decent pick up), it seemed to enjoy being revved and the power was up there along with the intoxicating noise. Very exciting to drive
I really think jaguar have got it right with this car.
Well done, like you, we are still getting acquainted with our V6s. There is one thing that is annoying me. It has the Meridian audio, and I find the bass much too harsh, and the speakers distort very easily. I have turned the bass down about -50% and it reduces the resonance, but still does not sound right.
I also found out that I could watch a DVD on the screen! but only when stationary. Wifey was very disappointed that it didn't have the Range Rover split screen!
I also found out that I could watch a DVD on the screen! but only when stationary. Wifey was very disappointed that it didn't have the Range Rover split screen!
bordseye said:
The next stop was Ferrari. Lovely to look at, the badge to have and the nearest I have found to a grown up version of the Elise R that I currently have and enjoy driving. I would like one but then a little voice says " paying 100k for a 10 year old car? You must be mad". Plus there are questions about useability ( dare you park one in a side street, dare you do 10k miles a year?) and maintenance costs. .....
And thats where I am. Nearly new F type or 10 year old 430?
You've answered your own question. You have to ask, what is this going to cost you. The car is going to rape you. Plus, talking of dicks, the older a Ferrari gets, the more like a dick you look. It's a law of physics. And thats where I am. Nearly new F type or 10 year old 430?
I agree with the man above, if you have 100k to spend, you are happy to look at slightly older cars, and Porsche doesn't do it for you, I would look at a late Aston DBS. Or look for a 14 reg F Type V8 for 60-70k.
mattf93 said:
Friend has a DBS Volante had v8 vantage, v8 vantage S roadster (both manual), then DBS Manual coupe. Current is an Auto Carbon edition, and it is sensational, personally looks and sounds better than a v8 r f type coupe or roadster. v12 note is so classy and the ride is amazing too.
I would say get into a DBS whilst the price is where it is at the moment. You WONT regret it.
Strangely enough I drove one of the last DBS a couple of weeks ago in HK and I was actually very disappointed in it, a classic case of never meet your heros. I would say get into a DBS whilst the price is where it is at the moment. You WONT regret it.
The ride was harsh and the motor extremely muted.
I'd be adding the quicksilver exhaust and getting some professional advice on upgrading the dampers if I owned one.
When I arrived back in Sydney I jumped in the F-Type and enjoyed it so much more, driven back to back it's the better car (and mines the V6S).
cardigankid said:
You've answered your own question. You have to ask, what is this going to cost you. The car is going to rape you. Plus, talking of dicks, the older a Ferrari gets, the more like a dick you look. It's a law of physics.
I agree with the man above, if you have 100k to spend, you are happy to look at slightly older cars, and Porsche doesn't do it for you, I would look at a late Aston DBS. Or look for a 14 reg F Type V8 for 60-70k.
I would be wary of spending 100k on a second hand car especially when that money gives you lots of options.I agree with the man above, if you have 100k to spend, you are happy to look at slightly older cars, and Porsche doesn't do it for you, I would look at a late Aston DBS. Or look for a 14 reg F Type V8 for 60-70k.
I love your old Ferrari quote.
paul1962 said:
cardigankid said:
paul1962 said:
Regarding the 2013 cars first registered to Jaguar, are they really to be avoided ?
Surely they can cope with a bit of a hard life ?
Is there anyway of finding out the history of a particular car ?
I looked at a 2013 recently first registered to Jaguar and claiming to be a motor show car but these comments have put me off.
Have a close look at the car and make up your own mind. I was in one on a driving experience and it has a cracked windscreen from grit thrown up on the track. Those cars were getting a good caning as you would expect, and very impressive they were too.Surely they can cope with a bit of a hard life ?
Is there anyway of finding out the history of a particular car ?
I looked at a 2013 recently first registered to Jaguar and claiming to be a motor show car but these comments have put me off.
The car I looked at is a V6 non-s and appeared to be in very good condition. No stone chips or marks in the paint. Interior was excellent with no signs of wear or marks.
I guess my main concern was the state of parts I couldnt see, such as engine and gearbox etc. Still got a year of Jaguars original warranty left so that should cover anything major, shouldn't it ?
This would be my first Jag purchase so I want to get it right
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