F-type V6 S BHP

[Dolittle]

Dolittle said:

Is that the same data you were due last Tuesday Geoff? And then last Friday? Whats the betting it gets postponed again.

What did I say last night Geoff.

They never return promised calls. And when you do get in contact with them by having to spend ages chasing, they are oh so apologetic, Also they blatantly lie. Problem is they are not very good liars, if they decide to lie, they should at least make sure that everyone else in their team is aware of the same lie that they are going to tell. I so wish I had recorded some of the conversations I had with them.

[Dolittle]

Turkish91 said:

Who is the problem here? The dealer, Jaguar UK or both?

Also OP; I fail to see how Jaguar buying your car back for more than you paid for it, then charging you a measly £2k to upgrade to a V8 model is an issue? Or have I misread your post? I'd be ecstatic to pay just £2k extra to swap my V6S for a V8!

It's a little more long winded than that. After I bought my V6S I found my car to be plagued with problems. Ok the problems weren't major, but the dealership didn't seem able to fix them. My car went back to them on 5 occasions. After getting my car back on the 5th occasion and still finding it had the same problems and a new one I asked for a refund. At the same time as all this, this BHP issue came to light. The dealer refused to give me my money back which really I should have pursued further, but by now I was pissed off with the whole thing, especially as Jaguar UK said that I had to wait until Ewolg got his car back before they would address my issues. I wasn't prepared to wait another month before they took my car for possibly yet another month. Eventually the dealer said that they would swap my car for another V6S, they didn't seem to grasp the fact that one of the reasons I wanted rid of my car was because it and all other V6S' are underpowered to what they advertise. I wanted a V8, as then there would be no question about the power. The next hurdle was that they could only swap my car for one at an Authorised dealership. Most of the dealer cars were way more than what my V6S cost, but I managed to find one car. The dealer had to buy it in from another dealership and paid £52300 for it. My car cost me £52500. The only way I could swap was by giving the dealer another £2000.
Now I was under the impression that I would get £52500 credited for my old car, making the dealer owe me £200. But no, the dealer obviously wanted to make something out of the deal which I thought unfair as I swapped because it was a lemon. The dealer was saying that he had to add on a warranty etc thats what the extra cost was. I have since found that if my warranty on the V6S hadn't been touched, it may have been possible to transfer or refund it. But it was touched, because the dealer claimed on it to try and fix all the faults with the car!

I was dealing with Jaguar UK about the BHP and the dealer about the other issues. They didn't seem capable to work together. In hindsight and after taking advice I should just have dealt with the dealer. Who I should have insisted refunded me.

During this whole process I did not drive the car, I didn't want to add any extra mileage etc until the matter was sorted out. The dealer at the time said we haven't told you not to drive it. But when it came to the crunch, extra mileage came up as another reason why the car wasn't worth much also that I had put it on a rolling road, apparently according to the dealer that would have given the car a hard time. Yet according to experts, a professional rolling road is less stressful on the car than driving normally on a road.

Also when I did the swap, I spoke to Jag UK and expressed my feeling to how I thought I was being shafted and agreed that we would talk again once results were in about the V6S true power. But have now basically stuck up two fingers.

My main gripe is, I would not have bought the car had I known it only had 335 BHP, I'd probably have bought a V8 or something completely different altogether. And the fact that I was forced in effect to buy the V8 from a main dealer, whereas had I got a refund I could have got a better deal buying privately, at the time there were a lot of nicely specced cars for less money.

[Dolittle]

300bhp/ton said:

Are the rwhp figures all similar too?

And have any non-S V6's been on these 4 different dyno's? If so, what sort of hp difference is there between them?

V6 non S has been on one rolling road, the same one I put a V6S and a V8s on.

V6 290BHP Jag quote 340BHP

V6S 335BHP Jag quote 375BHP

V8S 506BHP Jag quote 488BHP

[Dolittle]

paul1962 said:

Is there any more news on this issue ?

Jag came back with something along the lines of that there was not enough airflow in the dyno we used, according to Jag you needed at least 60mph of airflow. Despite Regals dyno producing 100mph of airflow. I don't think Jag were willing to discuss it any further. Bit of a cop out really. Geoff (Ewolg) may post the full explanation if he see's this.

Regal autosports dyno gives out correct figures for every other manufacturers car, so I guess Jags F Type V6 range must be 'special'. God could create a rolling road, and Jag would still say it wasn't accurate!

Also this still does not explain why the V8 is on the button, producing 506BHP, surely a V8 would need even greater airflow???

Edited by Dolittle on Tuesday 1st September 09:45