X150 XKR 4.2 vs 5.0: Opinions and advice required
Discussion
I don't imagine you will be able to get the standard Jaguar approved 2 year warranty due to the age of the car, I think it only covers cars up to 6 years old.
My current XKR has the black pack which means black window trims, air intakes and grill - looks so much better than the somewhat naff plastic chrome on my previous car. I'm sure it could be swapped or covered to black or body colour. Tell the deLer you really wanted a black pack car and see what they'll do!
My current XKR has the black pack which means black window trims, air intakes and grill - looks so much better than the somewhat naff plastic chrome on my previous car. I'm sure it could be swapped or covered to black or body colour. Tell the deLer you really wanted a black pack car and see what they'll do!
I have bought three Jaguars at JMDs in the past 15 years. In my experience a JMD is prepared to negotiate a deal for the car you are buying but will not budge from their valuation of the car you are trading in.
I bought my current Jaguar, an XF 5.0 V8 Portfolio Plus (not supercharged) in June 2914. The JMD had given it a full 30,000 miles service, new MoT, replaced all the tyres (with cheapo tyres unfortunately), and provided a 1 year Jaguar warranty. This is, I believe, the standard package on a Jaguar approved used car sold at a JMD. I then negotiated:
-£1500 off the price
-a full year's road tax
-a 2 year Jaguar warranty
-the JMD met the cost of transferring the registration from old car to the replacement.
I reckon this package was worth around £3200.
My trade in was an S-Type 4.2 V8 SE. I had it from almost new (14 miles, it was a demonstrator) and for over 10 years. It was in excellent condition and had high mileage. I had an idea of what it was worth and got less. I was told to take the offer or sell the car myself.
So, my advice is before you see the JMD to consider what you want to pay for the car and decide on the areas that you want to negotiate, and be prepared to be disappointed with what's offered for your trade in .
R.
I bought my current Jaguar, an XF 5.0 V8 Portfolio Plus (not supercharged) in June 2914. The JMD had given it a full 30,000 miles service, new MoT, replaced all the tyres (with cheapo tyres unfortunately), and provided a 1 year Jaguar warranty. This is, I believe, the standard package on a Jaguar approved used car sold at a JMD. I then negotiated:
-£1500 off the price
-a full year's road tax
-a 2 year Jaguar warranty
-the JMD met the cost of transferring the registration from old car to the replacement.
I reckon this package was worth around £3200.
My trade in was an S-Type 4.2 V8 SE. I had it from almost new (14 miles, it was a demonstrator) and for over 10 years. It was in excellent condition and had high mileage. I had an idea of what it was worth and got less. I was told to take the offer or sell the car myself.
So, my advice is before you see the JMD to consider what you want to pay for the car and decide on the areas that you want to negotiate, and be prepared to be disappointed with what's offered for your trade in .
R.
Well that was an expensive day out!
Picking the car up next Thursday and handing over a rather large wedge of cash + a Mondeo Estate.
The Jag really is a stonking car. Considerably lighter steering than I had expected and consequently less steering feel than the M3 BUT it is such an accomplished and luxurious all rounder that the trade off is well worth it. The heated steering wheel is a very nice touch and the seats are excellent.
The car is extremely comfortable, incredibly well specified and of course phenomenally quick. When in standard D mode it puts itself in a high gear and cruises along serenely using its vast reserves of torque, but put it into Dynamic mode and it sure as hell wakes up! I've driven some fast stuff in my time but this thing is a beast when it wants to be. Dynamic mode will certainly be used regularly. Sport mode is a decent compromise between pace and grace with the car hanging on to each gear for longer. Paddle shifts also good and surprisingly quick for a "traditional" auto.
As predicted the negotiation did not yield much - £500 of the sticker price, half price tyre and alloy insurance and a full tank of fuel but hey, life is too short to spend all day haggling over a few hundred quid.
The car is in great condition, 27k miles, with an excellent service history (service every year rather than on mileage). It is black with charcoal interior and red stitching.
I did not get try to negotiate a free black pack, mainly because my wife was not convinced about it - but I'll be working on this in the coming months as I do like the more stealthy look I think.
Pics when it arrives!
TD
Picking the car up next Thursday and handing over a rather large wedge of cash + a Mondeo Estate.
The Jag really is a stonking car. Considerably lighter steering than I had expected and consequently less steering feel than the M3 BUT it is such an accomplished and luxurious all rounder that the trade off is well worth it. The heated steering wheel is a very nice touch and the seats are excellent.
The car is extremely comfortable, incredibly well specified and of course phenomenally quick. When in standard D mode it puts itself in a high gear and cruises along serenely using its vast reserves of torque, but put it into Dynamic mode and it sure as hell wakes up! I've driven some fast stuff in my time but this thing is a beast when it wants to be. Dynamic mode will certainly be used regularly. Sport mode is a decent compromise between pace and grace with the car hanging on to each gear for longer. Paddle shifts also good and surprisingly quick for a "traditional" auto.
As predicted the negotiation did not yield much - £500 of the sticker price, half price tyre and alloy insurance and a full tank of fuel but hey, life is too short to spend all day haggling over a few hundred quid.
The car is in great condition, 27k miles, with an excellent service history (service every year rather than on mileage). It is black with charcoal interior and red stitching.
I did not get try to negotiate a free black pack, mainly because my wife was not convinced about it - but I'll be working on this in the coming months as I do like the more stealthy look I think.
Pics when it arrives!
TD
TorqueDirty said:
The Jag really is a stonking car. Considerably lighter steering than I had expected and consequently less steering feel than the M3 BUT it is such an accomplished and luxurious all rounder that the trade off is well worth it.
I've no idea whereabouts in the country you were test driving today, but where I've been the weather hasn't been congestive to pushing the chassis of the XKR. The harder you push it the more feeling you'll get back from the steering. The few times I've really had a chance to push on a bit I've been really impressed with how well it starts to feed back. I think that most of the time when you aren't getting that much feel its because you're so far short of what the car is capable of. Anyway, congratulations, I'm sure you'll be delighted and so will MrsTalkDirty
Is it the one in Perth?(yep I've been nosing on AT)
If so looks great! I'm sure you'll enjoy slip sliding around over the winter lol.
Incidentally I run a Tit X sport estate alongside the Jag. Can't really see a better alternative for all round duties but have considered selling and upgrading the Jag but not sure if an all in one car is the right thing to do,so for now it stays.
If so looks great! I'm sure you'll enjoy slip sliding around over the winter lol.
Incidentally I run a Tit X sport estate alongside the Jag. Can't really see a better alternative for all round duties but have considered selling and upgrading the Jag but not sure if an all in one car is the right thing to do,so for now it stays.
Edited by milu on Sunday 15th November 10:06
Yup, it was the one in Perth. Glad you agree it looks like a good car.
We traded the Mondeo (Titanium X in fact) after a lot of thought. We also have two 4x4s, one very good - Landcruiser - and the other, well let's just say it is a Disco 2, so we figured that we would not miss the Mondeo THAT much. However I have yet to own a car that is better value for money. Boring as it may sound the Mondeo has been totally superb. I can see us getting another one at some point.
Hoping to avoid too much sideways action in the XKR over the winter but no doubt I will be tempted to carefully explore the handling when the conditions and traffic make it safe.
TD
We traded the Mondeo (Titanium X in fact) after a lot of thought. We also have two 4x4s, one very good - Landcruiser - and the other, well let's just say it is a Disco 2, so we figured that we would not miss the Mondeo THAT much. However I have yet to own a car that is better value for money. Boring as it may sound the Mondeo has been totally superb. I can see us getting another one at some point.
Hoping to avoid too much sideways action in the XKR over the winter but no doubt I will be tempted to carefully explore the handling when the conditions and traffic make it safe.
TD
Update: The TD family is now the owner of lovely (and slightly scary) ultimate black 5.0 XKR coupe.
It is one hell of a car and I'm thoroughly looking forward to getting used to it. I already think I prefer it in Sport mode rather than D since this allows me to dictate what gear I'm in and when the gears change. D mode is great for cruising / slow traffic but I prefer to have more control how the enormous performance is transmitted through the gear box. I have only even driven manual cars up until now and the auto box is really very good I must say.
Good stereo (B&W), great seats, heated steering wheel is a real luxury and the key-less entry is neat.
We had an interesting ride home on the wet, greasy cold roads back down from the Jag showroom in Perth, during which my wife conjured up an underwear challenging moment coming off a dual carriageway roundabout! Happily no harm done (underwear excluded) and the process of recalibrating to the new beast is now well under way.
Not had a chance to drive it since getting it back on Thursday as my wife is away with it this weekend - driving very cautiously I might add. And now it is snowing. Winter button will be used on the way back I suspect.
Pics:-
TD
It is one hell of a car and I'm thoroughly looking forward to getting used to it. I already think I prefer it in Sport mode rather than D since this allows me to dictate what gear I'm in and when the gears change. D mode is great for cruising / slow traffic but I prefer to have more control how the enormous performance is transmitted through the gear box. I have only even driven manual cars up until now and the auto box is really very good I must say.
Good stereo (B&W), great seats, heated steering wheel is a real luxury and the key-less entry is neat.
We had an interesting ride home on the wet, greasy cold roads back down from the Jag showroom in Perth, during which my wife conjured up an underwear challenging moment coming off a dual carriageway roundabout! Happily no harm done (underwear excluded) and the process of recalibrating to the new beast is now well under way.
Not had a chance to drive it since getting it back on Thursday as my wife is away with it this weekend - driving very cautiously I might add. And now it is snowing. Winter button will be used on the way back I suspect.
Pics:-
TD
It's got Dunlop SportMaxx all round just now and they are in pretty good condition so will hopefully be performing as well as they should. That said I'm not sure how well I should expect them to perform when even when new. Anyone with experience of these tyres vs other brands?
8Bit, Should I be surprised of you suggest Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas as replacements when the time comes?
Out for a blast in the wet earlier on today with no dramas - partly because it was a "blast" in to loosest possible interpretation but I did explore a little bit more of what the car has to offer.
On to other topics. First it's got a long old nose though hasn't it? Stopped off in Tesco's and got out to see that I was a lot further forward in the parking space than I had thought. Happily I went for an "I don't know how big my car is yet" space so had lots of room all round.
Last but not least - what fuel do you guys use? I filled up with Super-unleaded today but are they just as happy on the regular stuff?
8Bit, Should I be surprised of you suggest Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas as replacements when the time comes?
Out for a blast in the wet earlier on today with no dramas - partly because it was a "blast" in to loosest possible interpretation but I did explore a little bit more of what the car has to offer.
On to other topics. First it's got a long old nose though hasn't it? Stopped off in Tesco's and got out to see that I was a lot further forward in the parking space than I had thought. Happily I went for an "I don't know how big my car is yet" space so had lots of room all round.
Last but not least - what fuel do you guys use? I filled up with Super-unleaded today but are they just as happy on the regular stuff?
TorqueDirty said:
Last but not least - what fuel do you guys use? I filled up with Super-unleaded today but are they just as happy on the regular stuff?
Seems quite happy on the regular stuff. I've never tried "super" I don't feel it needs any more power, I quite happy with what it has already. I was told by the dealer when I bought my XJ6 (back in 96) that it didn't need super and wouldn't show any advantages, so I never tried on that either.Way back I had a succession of Cavalier SRi's as company cars and there super made a huge difference, most noticeably to the economy. Always over 500 miles per tank on super and struggle to get 350 on regular. But I'm not sure those sorts of differences happen these days.
Thanks a8hex - good to know - and I agree, it is not like the thing needs more power!
I went with Super just in case as I could not find any reference to the recommended octane rating today. My 5.0l Chimaera actually had a sticker on the filler cap that said only to use 98 octane but there was nothing on the Jag filler cap.
Seem to be running at about 22 mpg which is no doubt a reflection my respect for the power this thing has and the fact that it has been wet ever since we got it last week.
TD
I went with Super just in case as I could not find any reference to the recommended octane rating today. My 5.0l Chimaera actually had a sticker on the filler cap that said only to use 98 octane but there was nothing on the Jag filler cap.
Seem to be running at about 22 mpg which is no doubt a reflection my respect for the power this thing has and the fact that it has been wet ever since we got it last week.
TD
TorqueDirty said:
Seem to be running at about 22 mpg which is no doubt a reflection my respect for the power this thing has and the fact that it has been wet ever since we got it last week.
TD
It depends on how you're driving and whether it's nice free flowing stuff.TD
The best I've seen was 28, but that was mostly on the motorway when there were average speed cameras in force etc...
If I get it out of the garage, drive the mile & a bit to town, park have a coffee and then come home, I'd be lucky to break 10MPG. Spirited driving can produce similar numbers (the lady likes a
).Mostly I'm averaging close to 20, if I can cruise above 40 then the numbers climb, if not they fall.
It sounds like you're up in Scotland and so might be lucky enough to have less traffic than here in sunny Berkshire.
Mine is a convertible, so a little heavier and no doubt a little less aerodynamically efficient.
My 3.2L XJ6 is currently showing an average of about 19, that only has about 210 horses, but does most of the short trips if I'm not using LadyB8's Merc.
Before LadyB8 went diesel she had a 1.8L Passat which only used to average about 22, so I'm not complaining about the way my Jags drink.
TorqueDirty said:
It's got Dunlop SportMaxx all round just now and they are in pretty good condition so will hopefully be performing as well as they should. That said I'm not sure how well I should expect them to perform when even when new. Anyone with experience of these tyres vs other brands?
8Bit, Should I be surprised of you suggest Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas as replacements when the time comes?
Out for a blast in the wet earlier on today with no dramas - partly because it was a "blast" in to loosest possible interpretation but I did explore a little bit more of what the car has to offer.
On to other topics. First it's got a long old nose though hasn't it? Stopped off in Tesco's and got out to see that I was a lot further forward in the parking space than I had thought. Happily I went for an "I don't know how big my car is yet" space so had lots of room all round.
Last but not least - what fuel do you guys use? I filled up with Super-unleaded today but are they just as happy on the regular stuff?
The Dunlops aren't terribly highly thought of from what I gather on forums. I have the Ultrac Sessantas, yes and I would say they're great... up to about 9/10ths on my car. I had mine on track last month and found them lacking just a little bit when trying to get the most out of the car. Michelin Pilot Super Sports are very highly regarded, or the Vredestein Ultrac Vorti (replacement for and a step above the Sessantas), I'll be going for one or other of those next time I need some new rubber. If I had the extra power that you've got I think I'd probably want the Vortis or the Michelins.8Bit, Should I be surprised of you suggest Vredestein Ultrac Sessantas as replacements when the time comes?
Out for a blast in the wet earlier on today with no dramas - partly because it was a "blast" in to loosest possible interpretation but I did explore a little bit more of what the car has to offer.
On to other topics. First it's got a long old nose though hasn't it? Stopped off in Tesco's and got out to see that I was a lot further forward in the parking space than I had thought. Happily I went for an "I don't know how big my car is yet" space so had lots of room all round.
Last but not least - what fuel do you guys use? I filled up with Super-unleaded today but are they just as happy on the regular stuff?
They are big things these, yes, but I was surprised how easy they are to park, at least in terms of getting it into the space. Where I have trouble is parallel parking straight - because the body is wider at the rear than the front, this makes it hard to see a natural line running front to back in the wing mirrors, so I often end up parked at a slight angle. It's definitely the car, not me, I can park my wife's car poker-straight every time, honest
I've been switching between regular and super-unleaded every few fills since I got mine, I honestly haven't noticed any real difference, either in performance or economy terms.
cardigankid said:
Looks great Torque - the best real world GT on the planet I think, despite my fondness for Aston Martin - congratulations and all the best with it!
Thanks!Yes it is quite a car that's for sure. We did have a hankering for a V8 Vantage but we'd have had to get an older 4.3 and the Jag was better in pretty much every important way really (apart from badge top trumps and styling perhaps)
I had a short blast in Dynamic mode the other day, which was entertaining! Love the sound of the thing when pushing on. I am also not missing having a gear stick which is a surprise.
Sadly the car is back off the dealers today for the usual teething problems to be fixed under warranty. The adaptive headlight warning light has come on a few times and from past experience I have learned that it's better to jump on these things early to make sure that everything is fully sorted before the 12 month warranty runs out!
Anyway, it is snowing here today so its not like we were going to be doing a lot of driving in it. Back tomorrow or the next day hopefully.
TD
a8hex said:
Sounds like a good plan.
I get intermittent problems with that warning light showing up, but the dealer can't find anything wrong.
Interesting. Did a bit of research and it does sound like a fairly common issue. I gather it is advisable to get a new battery fitted every 4 years as an old battery can throw up lots of odd electrical gremlins. That said the dealer has ordered in a new adaptive headlight unit just in case - although who knows if they will actually fit it, even if they say they are going to.I get intermittent problems with that warning light showing up, but the dealer can't find anything wrong.
Have a brand new diesel XE as a courtesy car while the R is getting fixed. I know which I prefer but for what it is the XE is a very accomplished car. I definitely like the reversing camera - it is the one thing that the our XKR does not have that I'd have liked. I messed about with the paddles on it today and it went up to 8th gear! 6 seems to do me just fine on the XKR but I'll wager the ratios are a tad different.
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