jag xf engine blown again
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Hi all ,I own a 61 plate xf 3.0l diesel that I bought because it had new engine under warranty fitted by a jag dealer at 52000miles ,it has now done 91000 and has dropped bottom end again!!! Is there a common problem with these engines?? Has anyone had same problem??,Jag not interested as they say new engine only had one yr warrant ,£2100 for a recon plus fitting ,or should I get engine rebuilt any help ,info I would be grateful,ps service s were up to date
It's a new one on me too.
There were a few blown 2.7 diesels which ultimately seemed to have a common theme of diluted engine oil due to inappropriate usage patterns meaning the ECU could never passively regenerate the diesel particulate filters and have to resort to active regeneration which injected loads of diesel which passed the piston rings and into the sump.
I understand that was re-engineered for the 3.0 diesel though?
It's good that services were up to date but that's not quite the same thing as there being the right oil level of the correct grade in the sump - i.e. if your engine used a bit of oil but it was rarely checked (or just left to the servicing technicians) and/or any oil consumed was replaced with diesel because your usage doesn't suit large diesel engines then you might still have had a lubrication problem.
It seems a strange coincidence to have 2 engine failures in the same car when on the whole the 3.0 diesel seems an extremely reliable engine.
Sorry to hear of your unplanned outlay though!
There were a few blown 2.7 diesels which ultimately seemed to have a common theme of diluted engine oil due to inappropriate usage patterns meaning the ECU could never passively regenerate the diesel particulate filters and have to resort to active regeneration which injected loads of diesel which passed the piston rings and into the sump.
I understand that was re-engineered for the 3.0 diesel though?
It's good that services were up to date but that's not quite the same thing as there being the right oil level of the correct grade in the sump - i.e. if your engine used a bit of oil but it was rarely checked (or just left to the servicing technicians) and/or any oil consumed was replaced with diesel because your usage doesn't suit large diesel engines then you might still have had a lubrication problem.
It seems a strange coincidence to have 2 engine failures in the same car when on the whole the 3.0 diesel seems an extremely reliable engine.
Sorry to hear of your unplanned outlay though!
You don't say when you bought it or when the the engine was fitted (in time).
I would say an independent engineers report on the cause of the failure might be a first step.
Did the dealer who sold it to you, say what caused the original failure? Did they mention anything to indicate that there was a likelihood of a further failure? If they replaced the ennge then it should be of the same quality as any other car and without significant faults.
Have they investigated the cause of the failure?
I'm not sure but I would have thought the sale of goods act might help you. A used car should be fit for purpose fit for purpose. An engine failure after less than 40k miles would seem unexpected.
You've done your part in keeping the servicing up to date and assuming it was serviced by the dealer then I think you would also have a claim that they've not completed the servicing correctly if that is determined to be a contributory factor.
How do you check the oil level in the 3.0 D? I didn't think they had a dipstick.
It really depends how determined you are.
I would say an independent engineers report on the cause of the failure might be a first step.
Did the dealer who sold it to you, say what caused the original failure? Did they mention anything to indicate that there was a likelihood of a further failure? If they replaced the ennge then it should be of the same quality as any other car and without significant faults.
Have they investigated the cause of the failure?
I'm not sure but I would have thought the sale of goods act might help you. A used car should be fit for purpose fit for purpose. An engine failure after less than 40k miles would seem unexpected.
You've done your part in keeping the servicing up to date and assuming it was serviced by the dealer then I think you would also have a claim that they've not completed the servicing correctly if that is determined to be a contributory factor.
How do you check the oil level in the 3.0 D? I didn't think they had a dipstick.
It really depends how determined you are.
My XF is a petrol and I haven't had any need to seek out the details of the diesel. The petrol engine doesn't have a dipstick either. Oil level is checked using the onboard computer with the engine off - the level is displayed on the message centre on the dashboard.
I'm not saying the OP is at fault, but the owner's duty is more than just keeping it serviced; if a hypothetical owner did run out of fluids in between services gradually (as opposed to some catastrophic loss which will be well evidenced) then that would normally be deemed to be the owner's negligence. That in itself can lead to a whole other argument with dealers/manufacturer about how much fluid consumption is "within spec". It seems that Audi consider rather a lot of oil consumption to be "within spec" going by other complainants elsewhere on Pistonheads, but Audi are by no means alone in claiming massive oil consumption is normal.
I'm not saying the OP is at fault, but the owner's duty is more than just keeping it serviced; if a hypothetical owner did run out of fluids in between services gradually (as opposed to some catastrophic loss which will be well evidenced) then that would normally be deemed to be the owner's negligence. That in itself can lead to a whole other argument with dealers/manufacturer about how much fluid consumption is "within spec". It seems that Audi consider rather a lot of oil consumption to be "within spec" going by other complainants elsewhere on Pistonheads, but Audi are by no means alone in claiming massive oil consumption is normal.
Turns out oil has been thinned due to 4injectors leaking/faulty washing pistons with diesel some not being burnt and getting into sump, crank,bearings,1turbo all f
ked ,block damaged beyond repair, total bill £6000 , hope some one from jaguar see s this nd relises engines have a problem before someone else gets a bill like this from an engine that's only done 39000 miles
ked ,block damaged beyond repair, total bill £6000 , hope some one from jaguar see s this nd relises engines have a problem before someone else gets a bill like this from an engine that's only done 39000 miles carlturn said:
Turns out oil has been thinned due to 4injectors leaking/faulty washing pistons with diesel some not being burnt and getting into sump, crank,bearings,1turbo all fked ,block damaged beyond repair, total bill £6000 , hope some one from jaguar see s this nd relises engines have a problem before someone else gets a bill like this from an engine that's only done 39000 miles
There's nothing inherantly wrong with the Jag V6 diesel, so someone from Jaguar isn't going to do anything based on this episode. There are hundreds of thousands of that engine out there, and as with other cars makers, you occasionally get a duffer. Sorry to hear of your woes, and I hope you get a solution to it that's paid for by someone else. ked ,block damaged beyond repair, total bill £6000 , hope some one from jaguar see s this nd relises engines have a problem before someone else gets a bill like this from an engine that's only done 39000 miles It is up to date serviced by jag dealer,but bought it privately,think from what everyone saying I just been unlucky ,engine being replaced now with a recon so we LL see how long this one lasts ,but I am thinking about selling it and buying a moggy 1000😊 back to basics and they do last for ever lol
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