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littleredrooster

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5,523 posts

195 months

Wednesday 20th April 2016
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Saw my first F-Pace on the M40 this afternoon. Cracking-looking bit of kit, until I saw the rear view after he passed me.

The badge read '2.0D'

Seriously - a greet-big fekk-off waggon like that with a pathetic 2 litre TDCi spin-off?? Nought to sixty in about a fortnight?

GTIAlex

1,935 posts

165 months

Wednesday 20th April 2016
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Il bite.

2.0 TDCI spin off? Evidence for this?

The 2.0d inegnium is a brand new design with a lot of new tech to help it become generate almost 20% less friction than the units it replaces and its almost, if not thee most efficient in its class.
It is designed and built in the UK, helping push a British manufacturer to the forefront, even when competing with the huge R&D budgets of some of the German manufacturers.

But dont let the facts get in the way of your tedious lazy stereotypical opinions.

Why are you bothered about what spec of engine someone else chooses in their new car? What a strange sad person you must be.

Edited by GTIAlex on Wednesday 20th April 21:22

littleredrooster

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5,523 posts

195 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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Sorry to have offended. I didn't realise that a four-pot oil-burner was the engine of choice in a large, sporting SUV-thing. My bad.

Riccardino

589 posts

201 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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Well the engine world is changing. On the new XC90 you can only have four pot engines. With the F-Pace you will have the choice of 6 cilinder engines but also 4 and with all the emission regulations etc probably the 4 cilinder will sell more than the others.
The new four cilinders can offer performances similar to the six cilinder of just a few years ago
On the nex boxster and Cayman you only have 4 cilinder engine.

Deangtv

743 posts

219 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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littleredrooster said:
Seriously - a greet-big fekk-off waggon like that with a pathetic 2 litre TDCi spin-off?? Nought to sixty in about a fortnight?
Its Jaguars own developed engine, I have it in my new XF. Combine this with the ali frame and you have a power to weight ratio of something close to a 3Lt diesel in the old XF.
The power delivery is on point through the rev range, stick it in eco and you can get 60mpg, pop it in @s@ and the power is on tap.

You have got to love an poorly informed statement like the OP

Edited by Deangtv on Thursday 21st April 13:09

GTIAlex

1,935 posts

165 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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littleredrooster said:
Sorry to have offended. I didn't realise that a four-pot oil-burner was the engine of choice in a large, sporting SUV-thing. My bad.
Might be the engine of house for some people.
Might not be for others.

Why do you care?



Edited by Big Al. on Friday 22 April 00:17

GTIAlex

1,935 posts

165 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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GTIAlex said:
Might be the engine of choice for some people.
Might not be for others.

Why do you care?

Stedman

7,213 posts

191 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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GTIAlex said:
Might be the engine of house for some people.
Might not be for others.

Why do you care?

hehe

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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littleredrooster said:
sporting SUV-thing.
What next running spikes with 6" heals?
How does balancing something on stilts make for sporty handling?

I'm sure it will sell well, I hope it does, but making tall "sports cars" is like making quiet drum kits.

Deangtv

743 posts

219 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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fancy enough, this is parked opposite the office today

GTIAlex

1,935 posts

165 months

Thursday 21st April 2016
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Stedman said:
GTIAlex said:
Might be the engine of house for some people.
Might not be for others.

Why do you care?

hehe
bloody phone ah

8bit

4,846 posts

154 months

Friday 22nd April 2016
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Saw my first one "in the metal" today. It was white, which I think was a shame (Audi have ruined white cars for me) but beyond that I thought it looked fantastic.

I had an XE 2.0D R-sport for a few days as a courtesy car while my XKR was in the garage recently. The Jaguar 2.0D with the ZF 8-speed box is a fine powertrain indeed and this is coming from me, who ordinarly dislikes diesels with a passion. I expect in the F-Pace it's the same, just a bit slower in view of the extra vehicle mass. For many, that will be fine.

littleredrooster

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5,523 posts

195 months

Friday 22nd April 2016
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GTIAlex said:
littleredrooster said:
Sorry to have offended. I didn't realise that a four-pot oil-burner was the engine of choice in a large, sporting SUV-thing. My bad.
Might be the engine of house for some people.
Might not be for others.

Why do you care?

I just love the way PH is going these days; someone has an opinion, and because another poster has a different opinion (God forbid...), the OP is instantly derided and labelled a ''. Small-mindedness rules OK.

My opinion - just to expand on my post - is that, historically, Jaguars would not have had a four-pot, much less a four-pot diesel. Ignore the part where Ford got hold of them and tried to turn them into a mass-market product; their history was about glorious straight sixes, V6s, V8s (especially supercharged), and V12s.

So, really I could not care less what buyers want to have as a modern-day company lease vehicle, but I do respect the Jaguar history and tradition and am truly sorry that the modern consumer marketplace has forced Jaguar into producing cloned sterotypes.

fatboy b

9,492 posts

215 months

Friday 22nd April 2016
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littleredrooster said:
GTIAlex said:
littleredrooster said:
Sorry to have offended. I didn't realise that a four-pot oil-burner was the engine of choice in a large, sporting SUV-thing. My bad.
Might be the engine of house for some people.
Might not be for others.

Why do you care?

I just love the way PH is going these days; someone has an opinion, and because another poster has a different opinion (God forbid...), the OP is instantly derided and labelled a ''. Small-mindedness rules OK.

My opinion - just to expand on my post - is that, historically, Jaguars would not have had a four-pot, much less a four-pot diesel. Ignore the part where Ford got hold of them and tried to turn them into a mass-market product; their history was about glorious straight sixes, V6s, V8s (especially supercharged), and V12s.

So, really I could not care less what buyers want to have as a modern-day company lease vehicle, but I do respect the Jaguar history and tradition and am truly sorry that the modern consumer marketplace has forced Jaguar into producing cloned sterotypes.
TBH, your first post was bordering on trolling wasn't it?

Your last sentence here sums it up. Without the run-of-the-mill cars, Jaguar (and other brands) would not survive to be able to produce the special more niche vehicles that keep the heritage alive. The 2.0d, as said, is a brand new JLR design - not a Ford development. It also powers a new generation of aluminium bodied 'lightweight' cars in JLR, so it doesn't need to be extra powerful to cart the kids to school.

But you also couldn't care less what buyers want.. but
littleredrooster said:
Seriously - a greet-big fekk-off waggon like that with a pathetic 2 litre TDCi spin-off?? Nought to sixty in about a fortnight?
scratchchin

Riccardino

589 posts

201 months

Friday 22nd April 2016
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littleredrooster said:
I just love the way PH is going these days; someone has an opinion, and because another poster has a different opinion (God forbid...), the OP is instantly derided and labelled a ''. Small-mindedness rules OK.
Actually it is probably how you have written your comments that triggered the responses more than being a PH habit

littleredrooster said:
My opinion - just to expand on my post - is that, historically, Jaguars would not have had a four-pot, much less a four-pot diesel. Ignore the part where Ford got hold of them and tried to turn them into a mass-market product; their history was about glorious straight sixes, V6s, V8s (especially supercharged), and V12s.

So, really I could not care less what buyers want to have as a modern-day company lease vehicle, but I do respect the Jaguar history and tradition and am truly sorry that the modern consumer marketplace has forced Jaguar into producing cloned sterotypes.
Have you heard about downsizing etc. Boxster with 4 cilinders etc
V12 have almost disappeared (including for Jaguar) and Jaguar is putting a lot of efforts in Engines. V8 still well alive, straight six coming back (so tradition should be maintained) and very technologically advanced 4 cilinder developed by Jaguar on their own with performances which are similar of the 6 cilinders of just a few years ago but better economy etc. What's not to like?
You will be able to buy the F-Type with 6 cilinder
Should Jaguar just continue buildings things that nobody will buy to maintain your idea of tradition? So is Jaguar heritage just about not having a 4 cilinder engine

a8hex

5,829 posts

222 months

Friday 22nd April 2016
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littleredrooster said:
My opinion - just to expand on my post - is that, historically, Jaguars would not have had a four-pot, much less a four-pot diesel. Ignore the part where Ford got hold of them and tried to turn them into a mass-market product; their history was about glorious straight sixes, V6s, V8s (especially supercharged), and V12s.
Historically Jaguar did make 4 cylinder cars. There was even a 4 cylinder version of the iconic XK engine though in the end it never went into production. There was at least 1 prototype XK100 as a cheaper version of the XK120, until they realised that they were going to be able to sell as many of the 6 cylinder XK120 versions as they were ever going to be able to make.
V8's on the other hand aren't part of Jaguars history, more part of Daimler's.
V6's are very new to Jaguars line up.

Deangtv

743 posts

219 months

Friday 22nd April 2016
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I recall clarkson's piece at the end of top gear once about an Aston V12 Vantage, the whole piece was about whether or not that Aston was the end of V12 engines, seems he was right....................sad to say

A decent watch if you have 4 mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q0Svvdrx_E


Edited by Deangtv on Friday 22 April 14:00

GTIAlex

1,935 posts

165 months

Friday 22nd April 2016
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If the op back tracked quicker he'd fall over.

Riccardino

589 posts

201 months

Friday 22nd April 2016
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Aston seems to be willing to keep the V12 given the recently launche DB11 with the new 5.2 liter turbo

Deangtv

743 posts

219 months

Friday 22nd April 2016
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Riccardino said:
Aston seems to be willing to keep the V12 given the recently launche DB11 with the new 5.2 liter turbo
I think the point of the piece was that V12 will only to rare in super cars, long gone are the days of fining one in a Jag