Jag XFR knocking noise from engine, very worrying
Discussion
XFRFred said:
Is it easy to replace the alternator on the XFR? I'm toying with the idea that i should replace this too, whilst everything is out.
No indication that the current one is failing, but it will be 8 years old.
Or is it a relatively easy job to do, once everything is put back in?
When they say 'new engine' they mean just that. You will get a new pre-assembled block & head in most cases and everything else, unless like you've stated previously will just be taken off the old engine and swapped onto the new one. They add oil & filter, bolt on transmission and done No indication that the current one is failing, but it will be 8 years old.
Or is it a relatively easy job to do, once everything is put back in?
(I would make sure they renew coolant & plugs though).Depending on how long you plan on keeping the car for and how risk adverse you are, you can go a bit crazy taking advantage of the situation. Ultimately fitting new parts will be practically nil labour because that component is going to have to be fitted to the new engine anyway.
Personally I think it's a bit of a snowball when looking to preempt replacing individual parts unless they're well known to fail. You can replace the alternator but there is nothing to say it won't do another 77k. Then there's still the risk that the PAS pump, AC comp, idler pulley, tensioner or any other component/sensor with 77k on it won't go wrong when it's all back together again.
I would guess your going to get a block, which is a short engine as just that alone is about £5k. I recently replaced an engine for a Land Rover main agent who had done exactly the same as your dealer, serviced the car and then forgot to replace the oil. It happens more times than you think and in all dealerships, I guess you can't budget for human failure. You have done well to actually be dealing with a dealership that will do the right thing, I can tell you of many people who have not been so lucky.
National Engine Centre
National Engine Centre
I've got her back and she brilliant. Taking it steady for now, as the new engine has only done about 200 miles since being installed. But i've missed that growl.
So the JMD have installed a new engine, plugs, belt and sorted the washer sensor level and thrown in an MOT all for free. I've also had the e-diff motor replaced at the back, although i had to pay for the part, but thankfully not the labour.
They have also carried out the fuel flap flange J059? Was not aware of this, but it could have been a safety risk.
And they have also carried out the supercharger isolation spring for free, under JTB00349v2, which JLR told me wasn't applicable to my car.
So i'm going to slowly rack up the next 1000+ miles and then take her back in for an oil change, then see what she's like on the open moorlands. All in all, mechanically, i'm happy and they made good on the incident.
They will now carry out an investigation to find out what went wrong and then come back to me.
My only issue now, is that there are dink marks on each side of the car. All the same height, on the front and rear n/s and o/s doors.
So i've taken some pictures and sent this over to the manager. I'm not sure that these can be touched up, and may need a respray.
So the JMD have installed a new engine, plugs, belt and sorted the washer sensor level and thrown in an MOT all for free. I've also had the e-diff motor replaced at the back, although i had to pay for the part, but thankfully not the labour.
They have also carried out the fuel flap flange J059? Was not aware of this, but it could have been a safety risk.
And they have also carried out the supercharger isolation spring for free, under JTB00349v2, which JLR told me wasn't applicable to my car.
So i'm going to slowly rack up the next 1000+ miles and then take her back in for an oil change, then see what she's like on the open moorlands. All in all, mechanically, i'm happy and they made good on the incident.
They will now carry out an investigation to find out what went wrong and then come back to me.
My only issue now, is that there are dink marks on each side of the car. All the same height, on the front and rear n/s and o/s doors.
So i've taken some pictures and sent this over to the manager. I'm not sure that these can be touched up, and may need a respray.
XFRFred said:
I've got her back and she brilliant. Taking it steady for now, as the new engine has only done about 200 miles since being installed. But i've missed that growl.
So the JMD have installed a new engine, plugs, belt and sorted the washer sensor level and thrown in an MOT all for free. I've also had the e-diff motor replaced at the back, although i had to pay for the part, but thankfully not the labour.
They have also carried out the fuel flap flange J059? Was not aware of this, but it could have been a safety risk.
And they have also carried out the supercharger isolation spring for free, under JTB00349v2, which JLR told me wasn't applicable to my car.
So i'm going to slowly rack up the next 1000+ miles and then take her back in for an oil change, then see what she's like on the open moorlands. All in all, mechanically, i'm happy and they made good on the incident.
They will now carry out an investigation to find out what went wrong and then come back to me.
My only issue now, is that there are dink marks on each side of the car. All the same height, on the front and rear n/s and o/s doors.
So i've taken some pictures and sent this over to the manager. I'm not sure that these can be touched up, and may need a respray.
Nice job OP on the engine side of things.... good result.So the JMD have installed a new engine, plugs, belt and sorted the washer sensor level and thrown in an MOT all for free. I've also had the e-diff motor replaced at the back, although i had to pay for the part, but thankfully not the labour.
They have also carried out the fuel flap flange J059? Was not aware of this, but it could have been a safety risk.
And they have also carried out the supercharger isolation spring for free, under JTB00349v2, which JLR told me wasn't applicable to my car.
So i'm going to slowly rack up the next 1000+ miles and then take her back in for an oil change, then see what she's like on the open moorlands. All in all, mechanically, i'm happy and they made good on the incident.
They will now carry out an investigation to find out what went wrong and then come back to me.
My only issue now, is that there are dink marks on each side of the car. All the same height, on the front and rear n/s and o/s doors.
So i've taken some pictures and sent this over to the manager. I'm not sure that these can be touched up, and may need a respray.
On the dinks - possibly come out with a PDR? (or is the pain damaged?)
MrJingles705 said:
Youch... ok, smart repair if you are lucky, but if not, whole panel..... most like latter.
From my conversation with the manger, seems like it will be the whole panels, as all four doors are showing damage and a front wingSo once the quote has been received (formality i guess), they will take it back in for a repair.
Cannot fecking believe it.
On the way home tonight, "Restricted Performance" popped up and then the car sounded a bit blurgh. Which then started to turn into a misfire sound.
Managed to get it pulled over into a side street and let it sit for a bit.
On starting the car again, after 20mins, still had the RP message and lots of white smoke out the back, lumpy as hell, stinks of petrol and likes to cut out.
When starting the car, it doesn't start straight away, like it was starved of petrol.
Any ideas?
JMD have been emailed, expecting a call first thing tomorrow.
Not happy.
On the way home tonight, "Restricted Performance" popped up and then the car sounded a bit blurgh. Which then started to turn into a misfire sound.
Managed to get it pulled over into a side street and let it sit for a bit.
On starting the car again, after 20mins, still had the RP message and lots of white smoke out the back, lumpy as hell, stinks of petrol and likes to cut out.
When starting the car, it doesn't start straight away, like it was starved of petrol.
Any ideas?
JMD have been emailed, expecting a call first thing tomorrow.
Not happy.
"Nothing Good" is all I could offer as diagnosis 
Typically white smoke is meant to indicate head gasket failure or a cracked liner; water getting in basically. The hesitation in starting and fuel smell could both result from the water causing poor combustion.
Stating the obvious, I would not start the engine again firstly because - despite everything - you have an obligation to the garage to mitigate damage if you want them to repair but also because if it is water you could end up hydrolocking the engine and destroying it.
Typically white smoke is meant to indicate head gasket failure or a cracked liner; water getting in basically. The hesitation in starting and fuel smell could both result from the water causing poor combustion.
Stating the obvious, I would not start the engine again firstly because - despite everything - you have an obligation to the garage to mitigate damage if you want them to repair but also because if it is water you could end up hydrolocking the engine and destroying it.
Had a look through the paper work they gave me, noticed that J059 fuel flange change was carried out.
Given that i can smell petrol this morning, it may be something to do with this? There was heavy rain last night too.
If it is engine related, guess they need to sort it out under their warranty.
Car is being collected by them this morning and i have already been given a courtesy car.
Given that i can smell petrol this morning, it may be something to do with this? There was heavy rain last night too.
If it is engine related, guess they need to sort it out under their warranty.
Car is being collected by them this morning and i have already been given a courtesy car.
Could ***could** also be water in the fuel tank. They replaced a bit of the petrol flap element. Was it leaking? We have had a lot of rain frecently. was it removed whilst waiting for the new part to be replaced, exposing the fuel filler to the rain??
If so, this is an easy fix. Ask them to check for water in the fuel tank. This can be done relatively easily by removing a fuel line and letting the fluid drain out. If it seperates then you have water in with the petrol. Drain tank, Plugs out, turn engine over to expel water, refit and away you go.
It could be a lot worse, of course...
If so, this is an easy fix. Ask them to check for water in the fuel tank. This can be done relatively easily by removing a fuel line and letting the fluid drain out. If it seperates then you have water in with the petrol. Drain tank, Plugs out, turn engine over to expel water, refit and away you go.
It could be a lot worse, of course...
mike_e said:
Very unlikely to be head gasket or liners as its a new block.
I'd argue the opposite; this is a garage that run up an engine with no oil in it.... failing to tighten down the head bolts wouldn't be outside the remits of possibility?Losing a sensor lead wouldn't do it.... hell, even dropping a cylinder alone wouldn't cause it to do as described. You'd need 2 or 3.
Just had a call from the JMD manager, apparently a fuel injector has gone and this has caused the problems. They are now getting costs.
I'm really f
ked off with this all now. And will most likely get shot of the car, when it's fixed.
Fuel injectors would have been moved over from the old engine? Or more likely water in the tank?
I'm really f
ked off with this all now. And will most likely get shot of the car, when it's fixed. Fuel injectors would have been moved over from the old engine? Or more likely water in the tank?
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