X150 coupe: Talk me out of it
Discussion
8bit said:
I wouldn't touch the one with the MOT fail subframe. Plenty around that haven't melted (yet). Almost any UK market X150 will have some subframe rust unless they've been stored off-road when there's been any hint of salt on the road - both of mine did but it was superficial. If it's really gotten to MOT fail then it is probably very bad.
GranTurismo feels dog slow compared to a 5.0 XKR - I drove a couple of GranTurismos (one MC Shift and one auto) as potential replacements for my own 5.0 XKR and they just felt sluggish and cumbersome by comparison. Interiors look even more dated than the Jags and don't seem to wear as well. Parts costs in line with the Ferrari heritage (over a grand for a pair of front brake discs). Very pretty cars though.
I looked at the Maserati too, then had a look at availability and prices on consumables like suspension bushes and so on and stopped looking.GranTurismo feels dog slow compared to a 5.0 XKR - I drove a couple of GranTurismos (one MC Shift and one auto) as potential replacements for my own 5.0 XKR and they just felt sluggish and cumbersome by comparison. Interiors look even more dated than the Jags and don't seem to wear as well. Parts costs in line with the Ferrari heritage (over a grand for a pair of front brake discs). Very pretty cars though.
Other than being pretty they don't really offer anything over the XKR to justify a huge uptick in running costs.
For the MOT tester to fail a car on the subframe it'd either have to be SO rotten you can see it falling to bits at the edges or the undertray is missing, which would explain why it rotted!
Alex_6n2 said:
I am currently debating with myself over a 5.0 XKR
My only self made objection is that for <£15K I could have a few other interesting bits (Gran Turismo, Boxster S) etc
I found one with an MOT failure on the front subframe, presumably this is a fairly hefty bill?
The Boxster S is a great drive but a completely different type of car from an XKR . Maseratis I avoid for many of the reasons previously stated . I wouldn't necessarily be put off by any X150 that failed an MOT on a front subframe . Its a known issue and the oldest of the X150 are now getting on for 20 years oldMy only self made objection is that for <£15K I could have a few other interesting bits (Gran Turismo, Boxster S) etc
I found one with an MOT failure on the front subframe, presumably this is a fairly hefty bill?
What I would be paying attention to is any other advisories or failures in the MOT history in an attempt to gauge how the vehicle has been maintained over the course of its history . A solitary failure on the basis of a subframe can indicate two things , a genuine failure or an over enthusiastic MOT tester .
Alex_6n2 said:
I am currently debating with myself over a 5.0 XKR
My only self made objection is that for <£15K I could have a few other interesting bits (Gran Turismo, Boxster S) etc
I found one with an MOT failure on the front subframe, presumably this is a fairly hefty bill?
What are you ultimately after?My only self made objection is that for <£15K I could have a few other interesting bits (Gran Turismo, Boxster S) etc
I found one with an MOT failure on the front subframe, presumably this is a fairly hefty bill?
A great stonking V8 is always a wonderful thing but a Boxster will be more fun to grab by the scruff of the neck on your favourite road.
XKR does make an excellent daily though.
Patrick Bateman said:
Alex_6n2 said:
I am currently debating with myself over a 5.0 XKR
My only self made objection is that for <£15K I could have a few other interesting bits (Gran Turismo, Boxster S) etc
I found one with an MOT failure on the front subframe, presumably this is a fairly hefty bill?
What are you ultimately after?My only self made objection is that for <£15K I could have a few other interesting bits (Gran Turismo, Boxster S) etc
I found one with an MOT failure on the front subframe, presumably this is a fairly hefty bill?
A great stonking V8 is always a wonderful thing but a Boxster will be more fun to grab by the scruff of the neck on your favourite road.
XKR does make an excellent daily though.
I bought mine last September as posted in this thread. I paid a "dealer" price for a December 2012 car with 22K miles on it, FSH, MOT history condition as expected. I bought it after a two bereavements, I bought it for me.
I am about to spend a little more to make it truely excellent and clear my mind about any servicing, then I will have a car that I know all it's history, faults and future viability.
I have been pondering this week if there is anything I would prefer than this car that could be bought for up to 6 figures.
Nothing comes close. I don't want a sports car, I don't want a performance car, no other GT matches it for me.
I love this car, fed up with the rain and s
t weather so not driving it much, bring on the summer.
I am about to spend a little more to make it truely excellent and clear my mind about any servicing, then I will have a car that I know all it's history, faults and future viability.
I have been pondering this week if there is anything I would prefer than this car that could be bought for up to 6 figures.
Nothing comes close. I don't want a sports car, I don't want a performance car, no other GT matches it for me.
I love this car, fed up with the rain and s
t weather so not driving it much, bring on the summer.remedy said:
Thanks guys, I appreciate it. I'll give the auto electrician that I've used before a ring tomorrow and let him know the situation.
In reference to this happening before on other cars, the only example I can find is 1 post on one of the Jag forums back in 2020.
I bought mine in Oct 21 so wouldn't be surprised if this is the car I've got now
https://www.jaguarforum.com/threads/2008-xkr-4-2l-...
Update on mine...In reference to this happening before on other cars, the only example I can find is 1 post on one of the Jag forums back in 2020.
I bought mine in Oct 21 so wouldn't be surprised if this is the car I've got now
https://www.jaguarforum.com/threads/2008-xkr-4-2l-...
It's been sort of behaving. The CPS fault appears every now and then but I've found that if I leave the ignition on the fault clears. It can take 10 mins though.
After lots of research in the X150 manual I think it is the SRS, or airbag, module.
I found a page that states if the airbag has blown it will stop the fuel pump from working.
This is why it just cranks on startup. The module has a fault and the car thinks it's been in an accident.
Then, the fault clears and the car is back to normal.
I've had a few CELs because 1 of the cats is now not working at threshold efficiency (trying to start it I think has caused this) and when I've scanned it to clear the fault there is always a SRS network error showing.
Jag owe me £400 as they agreed last year that if the fuel pump change didn't work then I wouldnt have pay for it. I asked if they would replace the SRS module FOC and they agreed. I sent them all my research and they seem to agree with my theory.
Just waiting for a date now. Fingers crossed.
Drove mine from Herts to the south coast today, best drive in the car yet.
Everything easy, relaxed and imperious had to knock the progress off a couple of times it was so effortless.
I bought the car last September and tried the sound system for the first time. Quality good to my ears. Only problem the previous owner had left a Frank sinatra cd in the player, awful.
The car is just so good at killing miles in s spectacularly comfortable way.
Everything easy, relaxed and imperious had to knock the progress off a couple of times it was so effortless.
I bought the car last September and tried the sound system for the first time. Quality good to my ears. Only problem the previous owner had left a Frank sinatra cd in the player, awful.
The car is just so good at killing miles in s spectacularly comfortable way.
summit7 said:
Drove mine from Herts to the south coast today, best drive in the car yet.
Everything easy, relaxed and imperious had to knock the progress off a couple of times it was so effortless.
I bought the car last September and tried the sound system for the first time. Quality good to my ears. Only problem the previous owner had left a Frank sinatra cd in the player, awful.
The car is just so good at killing miles in s spectacularly comfortable way.
Is yours a 5.0 and if so is an XK or an XKR?Everything easy, relaxed and imperious had to knock the progress off a couple of times it was so effortless.
I bought the car last September and tried the sound system for the first time. Quality good to my ears. Only problem the previous owner had left a Frank sinatra cd in the player, awful.
The car is just so good at killing miles in s spectacularly comfortable way.
I'm looking at XK 5.0's at the moment as that seem to fit the bill for the sort of GT I'd like.
The only stumbling block is that it seems to be hard to get a proper Android Auto retro-fit done; I have the Integrated Automotive system in my current E Class and it's excellent. Seems the facelift X150's are really hard for the aftermarket suppliers.
Took mine to Haynes Breakfast today. Roof down and avoided the rain. And to be told by a nice chap in a lovely blue F Type that it was his favourite car there made my day.
Having had it since Jan, it still makes me laugh with the instant power, it really is unnecessary fast but sounds like Thor shouting at his children.
No advice about the media bit, it is a bit rubbish, but probably just buy one anyway!
Having had it since Jan, it still makes me laugh with the instant power, it really is unnecessary fast but sounds like Thor shouting at his children.
No advice about the media bit, it is a bit rubbish, but probably just buy one anyway!
Edited by ric p on Sunday 7th April 19:33
AC43 said:
The only stumbling block is that it seems to be hard to get a proper Android Auto retro-fit done; I have the Integrated Automotive system in my current E Class and it's excellent. Seems the facelift X150's are really hard for the aftermarket suppliers.
I'm not surprised, it is a fairly unique system with lots of distributed modules on a fibre optic MOST bus.ric p said:
Took mine to Haynes Breakfast today. Roof down and avoided the rain. And to be told by a nice chap in a lovely blue F Type that it was his favourite car there made my day.
Having had it since Jan, it still makes me laugh with the instant power, it really is unnecessary fast but sounds like Thor shouting at his children.
No advice about the media bit, it is a bit rubbish, but probably just buy one anyway!
Yours does look greatHaving had it since Jan, it still makes me laugh with the instant power, it really is unnecessary fast but sounds like Thor shouting at his children.
No advice about the media bit, it is a bit rubbish, but probably just buy one anyway!
Edited by ric p on Sunday 7th April 19:33
Simpo Two said:
AC43 said:
The only stumbling block is that it seems to be hard to get a proper Android Auto retro-fit done
Bah, 6 CDs and some FM radio is all you need - most of the soundtrack comes out of those pipe things at the back anyway 
I think its easier with the earlier and later systems from what I've read.
ETA; I've been doing more reading; it's easier on the 4.2 as you can use the Aux (that's how the IA system works in my Merc). The 5.0 doesn't have the same set up (something to do with fibre optics) so it's harder but not impossible. And so costs more to do it.
I'll add that to the budget; the idea is to get one and use it for some serious trips; having up-to-date nav and media in the dash lifts the whole user experience.
Edited by AC43 on Monday 8th April 08:00
The 4.2 has the same basic infotainment architecture as the 5.0, multiple modules on the fibre optic MOST ring - if you break the ring/one of the modules dies, the whole lot stops working. However there were significant software updates at the time of the facelift, to align with the XF.
I have a bovee thing that plugs into the iPod interface on my 2010 and gives me bluetooth audio, the steering wheel controls work and so on so it's perfectly acceptable. It can also play MP3 files off USB and off discs in the changer. The 4.2 didn't come as standard with the iPod interface, sounds like you might get a 3.5mm aux with them though?
The lack of up to date nav is a chore and there are no cheap Aliexpress options like you can get for the XF and X351, the only option I've seen is an utterly ghastly "tesla style" giant screen that looks like something I knocked up in the shed after a long day in the pub.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/xk-xkr-x150-33/...
The lack of up to date nav is a chore and there are no cheap Aliexpress options like you can get for the XF and X351, the only option I've seen is an utterly ghastly "tesla style" giant screen that looks like something I knocked up in the shed after a long day in the pub.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/xk-xkr-x150-33/...
Don't take this the wrong way chaps but...why bother?
I mean in terms of nav only- a quality phone holder and you're sorted.
I have an FM transmitter for music and podcasts etc. that works really well, obvious limitation being wanting to change something while on the move aside from skipping forward or back.
I mean in terms of nav only- a quality phone holder and you're sorted.
I have an FM transmitter for music and podcasts etc. that works really well, obvious limitation being wanting to change something while on the move aside from skipping forward or back.
Patrick Bateman said:
Don't take this the wrong way chaps but...why bother?
I mean in terms of nav only- a quality phone holder and you're sorted.
I have an FM transmitter for music and podcasts etc. that works really well, obvious limitation being wanting to change something while on the move aside from skipping forward or back.
I have tried an FM transmitter a few times in various cars and I find them a royal pain in the arse, as I drove around the country I'd keep stumbling into areas where my chosen frequency was in use and never once found a frequency that I didn't have to mess around with.I mean in terms of nav only- a quality phone holder and you're sorted.
I have an FM transmitter for music and podcasts etc. that works really well, obvious limitation being wanting to change something while on the move aside from skipping forward or back.
Is yours a 4.2? Do they have an aux input somewhere?
I also have a strong dislike for holders, trailing wires etc. I put up with in my X150 but if I could fix it for £500 I would.
My 4.2 has a USB and Ipod connection in the centre console cubby box. I use an Invery (80 quid off Amazon) which is a Bluetooth device that fakes being an ipod, so it pugs in, the phone connects, and it allows me to play Spotify or mp3s with the head unit, and even skip songs with the steering wheel buttons.
GeniusOfLove said:
I have a bovee thing that plugs into the iPod interface on my 2010 and gives me bluetooth audio, the steering wheel controls work and so on so it's perfectly acceptable. It can also play MP3 files off USB and off discs in the changer. The 4.2 didn't come as standard with the iPod interface, sounds like you might get a 3.5mm aux with them though?
The lack of up to date nav is a chore and there are no cheap Aliexpress options like you can get for the XF and X351, the only option I've seen is an utterly ghastly "tesla style" giant screen that looks like something I knocked up in the shed after a long day in the pub.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/xk-xkr-x150-33/...
That is ugly, but I am impressed at the amount of reverse engineering that must have gone in to that.The lack of up to date nav is a chore and there are no cheap Aliexpress options like you can get for the XF and X351, the only option I've seen is an utterly ghastly "tesla style" giant screen that looks like something I knocked up in the shed after a long day in the pub.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/xk-xkr-x150-33/...
I don't know what Jaguar made available, but the infotainment system supports USB/iPod (via a horrible adaptor cable)/aux, depending on build configuration.
Facelift XF and X351 were a totally different system. Early XF is the same infotainment system as XK, with some software updates, that also went on XK eventually.
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