X150 coupe: Talk me out of it
Discussion
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
I know, I was trying to be funny but failed 
I do happen to have a broken x358 in the same colour that I bought to give mine a facelift. Haven't decided if I am actually going to do it or not.
Been a long time since my last XK (was a 1998 x100) and this is a different beast. It's brutal - even compared to the 4.2 Super V8 XJ.
Problems discovered so far.....
1) Drivers side dash vent is missing the handle bit. Rest of the vent is fine. I might have one in my box of bits for the x350 (the little handle bit).
2) CD changer in the dash does not work. It is making lots of whirring and clicking noises, sounds like there may be a CD stuck in there. Not a major issue at the moment as it came with a Bluetooth to IPOD adapter in the centre console so am just using my phone to stream music
It is missing a couple of things that bug me... keyless start but not keyless entry (as far as I can tell), and the cruise control is not adaptive (it is on the XJ).
I'll check my 2010 brochure when I get home, but I'm 99% sure the Portfolio and XKR had keyless entry as standard on all the 5.0 cars, I can see from your pic that it doesn't have the rubber button on the door handle for the keyless locking though. Are you sure it's a Portfolio and not the regular XK?I do happen to have a broken x358 in the same colour that I bought to give mine a facelift. Haven't decided if I am actually going to do it or not.
Been a long time since my last XK (was a 1998 x100) and this is a different beast. It's brutal - even compared to the 4.2 Super V8 XJ.
Problems discovered so far.....
1) Drivers side dash vent is missing the handle bit. Rest of the vent is fine. I might have one in my box of bits for the x350 (the little handle bit).
2) CD changer in the dash does not work. It is making lots of whirring and clicking noises, sounds like there may be a CD stuck in there. Not a major issue at the moment as it came with a Bluetooth to IPOD adapter in the centre console so am just using my phone to stream music
It is missing a couple of things that bug me... keyless start but not keyless entry (as far as I can tell), and the cruise control is not adaptive (it is on the XJ).
Portfolio should have the B&W badge on the speaker grills, heated front screen, more seat controls including a roller thing to inflate bolsters, and the big tell is smooth leather on the dash not textured.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Tuesday 23 April 16:53
drmotorsport said:
I'm in the market to buy a late 2012-2014 XKR coupe with excellent maintained condition sensible lowish miles (50-80k) and speed pack. Really looking for red, green or maybe silver and getting annoyed with all the black&white ones Anyone know of somewhere else to look apart from here, Autotrader, Ebay, Gumtree? Facebook marketplace is just full of scams these days.
a few on here Anyone know of somewhere else to look apart from here, Autotrader, Ebay, Gumtree? Facebook marketplace is just full of scams these days.https://jec.org.uk/classifieds/index.php?page=cars...
deadslow said:
Makes me a bit sad to see so many wonderful cars that have barely turned a wheel for 15 years. What a waste.I do like buying some polished, never taken over 4k RPM car and letting it live the life it should have had all along though
GeniusOfLove said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
I know, I was trying to be funny but failed
I do happen to have a broken x358 in the same colour that I bought to give mine a facelift. Haven't decided if I am actually going to do it or not.
Been a long time since my last XK (was a 1998 x100) and this is a different beast. It's brutal - even compared to the 4.2 Super V8 XJ.
Problems discovered so far.....
1) Drivers side dash vent is missing the handle bit. Rest of the vent is fine. I might have one in my box of bits for the x350 (the little handle bit).
2) CD changer in the dash does not work. It is making lots of whirring and clicking noises, sounds like there may be a CD stuck in there. Not a major issue at the moment as it came with a Bluetooth to IPOD adapter in the centre console so am just using my phone to stream music
It is missing a couple of things that bug me... keyless start but not keyless entry (as far as I can tell), and the cruise control is not adaptive (it is on the XJ).
I'll check my 2010 brochure when I get home, but I'm 99% sure the Portfolio and XKR had keyless entry as standard on all the 5.0 cars, I can see from your pic that it doesn't have the rubber button on the door handle for the keyless locking though. Are you sure it's a Portfolio and not the regular XK?I do happen to have a broken x358 in the same colour that I bought to give mine a facelift. Haven't decided if I am actually going to do it or not.
Been a long time since my last XK (was a 1998 x100) and this is a different beast. It's brutal - even compared to the 4.2 Super V8 XJ.
Problems discovered so far.....
1) Drivers side dash vent is missing the handle bit. Rest of the vent is fine. I might have one in my box of bits for the x350 (the little handle bit).
2) CD changer in the dash does not work. It is making lots of whirring and clicking noises, sounds like there may be a CD stuck in there. Not a major issue at the moment as it came with a Bluetooth to IPOD adapter in the centre console so am just using my phone to stream music
It is missing a couple of things that bug me... keyless start but not keyless entry (as far as I can tell), and the cruise control is not adaptive (it is on the XJ).
Portfolio should have the B&W badge on the speaker grills, heated front screen, more seat controls including a roller thing to inflate bolsters, and the big tell is smooth leather on the dash not textured.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Tuesday 23 April 16:53
GeniusOfLove said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
AC43 said:
Great line up. Did you get that car from a dealer? There was a grey one up for what seemed like 5 mins last weekend before it was taken down.
Thanks, no, it was a private sale from a guy near Wokingham. Stratospheric mileage (180K) but does not show it and drives like a much lower mileage car. Lots of history and money spent in his ownership including timing chain replacement. Paid £7,400 for it. Hopefully not a bad deal.
I looked at an 06 plate one at a dealer which was £6,500 and was a wreck - night and day difference to the one I bought.
Do you have the invoice for who did his timing chain job and what they charged him?
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Tuesday 23 April 14:49
March 2022.....
Tom Lenthall Ltd in Finchampstead £3,665.02
"Investigated restricted performance. Checked fault codes and found code for cam and crank shaft correlation. Found that there was excessive play in the timing chains. Removed and replaced timing chains, tensioners and guides. On removal of the chains found when installing the timing tools that bank1 inlet cam pick up was snapped. Removed and replaced inlet cam, carried out oil change and tested."
From a parts perspective: Timing chain kit was just over a grand, and the camshaft was £420, engine oil and filter was £150 (all ex VAT!)
Some other things it has had done in the last couple of years:
- 4 new tyres last year
- replaced the coolant manifold and valley hose, new water pump
- both front pedestrian sensors replaced
- Aircon compressor and module replaced
- Replaced front subframe, banana arms and all bushings, rear wishbone arms, rear ARB drop links
This would explain why it drives like a much lower mileage car!
I didn't think the 5 litre cars needed that fancy an oil. Is that rip-off pricing or is it really that expensive?
For comparison, on the 4.2 I can get Shell Helix oil and Jaguar filter for £75 all in.
I'm also with Genius on how to use these- they're such a good daily if you don't need 4 doors but they're absolutely not a weekend car (despite the fantastic looks) in my book, even if most of the cars advertised suggest otherwise. Depends what you want I suppose, if you never grab the car by the scruff of the neck I suppose you might not be too fussed about having a 6 speed slusher, albeit quick enough on the paddles.
I've put about 16k miles on mine since getting it in October 2022.
For comparison, on the 4.2 I can get Shell Helix oil and Jaguar filter for £75 all in.
I'm also with Genius on how to use these- they're such a good daily if you don't need 4 doors but they're absolutely not a weekend car (despite the fantastic looks) in my book, even if most of the cars advertised suggest otherwise. Depends what you want I suppose, if you never grab the car by the scruff of the neck I suppose you might not be too fussed about having a 6 speed slusher, albeit quick enough on the paddles.
I've put about 16k miles on mine since getting it in October 2022.
Edited by Patrick Bateman on Tuesday 23 April 19:42
Fantastic, bit of a performance bargain there with that recent work..
This and the £200 watch thread are the two best places on PH, everyone loves their XK, wouldn't be without mine now.
I see just one small problem. Now you have posted piccies of your eclectic collection of cars, I fear a "don't tell them your name Pike" moment. Seeing as the Stag is a marked car for destruction from the mighty Red Bear you should be worried that the whole lot will be targeted now.
Enjoy the XK while you still can!
This and the £200 watch thread are the two best places on PH, everyone loves their XK, wouldn't be without mine now.
I see just one small problem. Now you have posted piccies of your eclectic collection of cars, I fear a "don't tell them your name Pike" moment. Seeing as the Stag is a marked car for destruction from the mighty Red Bear you should be worried that the whole lot will be targeted now.
Enjoy the XK while you still can!
summit7 said:
Fantastic, bit of a performance bargain there with that recent work..
This and the £200 watch thread are the two best places on PH, everyone loves their XK, wouldn't be without mine now.
I see just one small problem. Now you have posted piccies of your eclectic collection of cars, I fear a "don't tell them your name Pike" moment. Seeing as the Stag is a marked car for destruction from the mighty Red Bear you should be worried that the whole lot will be targeted now.
Enjoy the XK while you still can!
This and the £200 watch thread are the two best places on PH, everyone loves their XK, wouldn't be without mine now.
I see just one small problem. Now you have posted piccies of your eclectic collection of cars, I fear a "don't tell them your name Pike" moment. Seeing as the Stag is a marked car for destruction from the mighty Red Bear you should be worried that the whole lot will be targeted now.
Enjoy the XK while you still can!
Good old Cardigankid. Wonder where he is these days? Although that's not the entire collection. The mighty red bear will need to get past my mighty red Hilux first!Patrick Bateman said:
I didn't think the 5 litre cars needed that fancy an oil. Is that rip-off pricing or is it really that expensive?
For comparison, on the 4.2 I can get Shell Helix oil and Jaguar filter for £75 all in.
I'm also with Genius on how to use these- they're such a good daily if you don't need 4 doors but they're absolutely not a weekend car (despite the fantastic looks) in my book, even if most of the cars advertised suggest otherwise. Depends what you want I suppose, if you never grab the car by the scruff of the neck I suppose you might not be too fussed about having a 6 speed slusher, albeit quick enough on the paddles.
I've put about 16k miles on mine since getting it in October 2022.
The 5.0 needs JLR (formerly a Ford) spec 0W20 or 5W20 oil and it's fairly expensive, about £80 for the 7 litres of Castrol or Fuchs if you can find an offer, and an OE oil filter is usually over £20 too. Garage prices I imagine are well north of £100 for the materials everywhere you go.For comparison, on the 4.2 I can get Shell Helix oil and Jaguar filter for £75 all in.
I'm also with Genius on how to use these- they're such a good daily if you don't need 4 doors but they're absolutely not a weekend car (despite the fantastic looks) in my book, even if most of the cars advertised suggest otherwise. Depends what you want I suppose, if you never grab the car by the scruff of the neck I suppose you might not be too fussed about having a 6 speed slusher, albeit quick enough on the paddles.
I've put about 16k miles on mine since getting it in October 2022.
Edited by Patrick Bateman on Tuesday 23 April 19:42
It is very worthwhile using the latest STJLR.03.5006 spec oil, all the new oil standards have additive requirements to deal with soot buildup from direct injection that causes wear in the timing chain pins commonly diagnosed as "chain stretch", and requirements for managing the low speed predetonation DI engines are prone to. Manufacturers have had 15+ years experience since the original Ford WSS-M2C925-A spec oil was developed.
It's the easiest car in the world to do an oil change on, there is an extraction tube under the oil filler to easily suck the oil out and the filler is up top. Genuine 10 minute job start to finish.
stumpage said:
GeniusOfLove said:
Makes me a bit sad to see so many wonderful cars that have barely turned a wheel for 15 years.
Got a 2012 XKR convertible last month. 16K documented miles from new, I've already put half its yearly average on in 3 weeks.ETA - looks like you came to it from a TVR background, they're something I've always wanted but the stars have never aligned. Do you find the XKR enough of a hooligan?
GeniusOfLove said:
Hero, it had to wait a decade but it has finally found it's proper home
ETA - looks like you came to it from a TVR background, they're something I've always wanted but the stars have never aligned. Do you find the XKR enough of a hooligan?
I loved the TVR but I found I wasn't using it and it was wasted stuck in the garage. However I regretted selling it as soon as it went to the new owner, which was probably due to me being 14 years older than when I first got the TVR and I suppose my wants had matured. ETA - looks like you came to it from a TVR background, they're something I've always wanted but the stars have never aligned. Do you find the XKR enough of a hooligan?
The arrival of an EV as my company car (and the dull driving experience it is) really prompted me to get another enjoyable car for the weekends again. I looked at lots of options and found the XKR to be two cars in one. Roof up, normal mode, gear box in D and it is a brilliant Grand Tourer, smooth, comfortable and refined. Take the roof off, set it in Dynamic, Gearbox to S and it is a monster and almost as raw as the TVR. A reviewer once said it is like a TVR that grew up and got a degree and I think that is spot on. An animal that has the intelligence to keep the rear in line if you run out of talent. I love it and it is a complete hooligan when you want it to be.
GeniusOfLove said:
The 5.0 needs JLR (formerly a Ford) spec 0W20 or 5W20 oil and it's fairly expensive, about £80 for the 7 litres of Castrol or Fuchs if you can find an offer, and an OE oil filter is usually over £20 too. Garage prices I imagine are well north of £100 for the materials everywhere you go.
It is very worthwhile using the latest STJLR.03.5006 spec oil, all the new oil standards have additive requirements to deal with soot buildup from direct injection that causes wear in the timing chain pins commonly diagnosed as "chain stretch", and requirements for managing the low speed predetonation DI engines are prone to. Manufacturers have had 15+ years experience since the original Ford WSS-M2C925-A spec oil was developed.
It's the easiest car in the world to do an oil change on, there is an extraction tube under the oil filler to easily suck the oil out and the filler is up top. Genuine 10 minute job start to finish.
That's not too bad- £180 including VAT sounds like a piss take though.It is very worthwhile using the latest STJLR.03.5006 spec oil, all the new oil standards have additive requirements to deal with soot buildup from direct injection that causes wear in the timing chain pins commonly diagnosed as "chain stretch", and requirements for managing the low speed predetonation DI engines are prone to. Manufacturers have had 15+ years experience since the original Ford WSS-M2C925-A spec oil was developed.
It's the easiest car in the world to do an oil change on, there is an extraction tube under the oil filler to easily suck the oil out and the filler is up top. Genuine 10 minute job start to finish.
Patrick Bateman said:
GeniusOfLove said:
The 5.0 needs JLR (formerly a Ford) spec 0W20 or 5W20 oil and it's fairly expensive, about £80 for the 7 litres of Castrol or Fuchs if you can find an offer, and an OE oil filter is usually over £20 too. Garage prices I imagine are well north of £100 for the materials everywhere you go.
It is very worthwhile using the latest STJLR.03.5006 spec oil, all the new oil standards have additive requirements to deal with soot buildup from direct injection that causes wear in the timing chain pins commonly diagnosed as "chain stretch", and requirements for managing the low speed predetonation DI engines are prone to. Manufacturers have had 15+ years experience since the original Ford WSS-M2C925-A spec oil was developed.
It's the easiest car in the world to do an oil change on, there is an extraction tube under the oil filler to easily suck the oil out and the filler is up top. Genuine 10 minute job start to finish.
That's not too bad- £180 including VAT sounds like a piss take though.It is very worthwhile using the latest STJLR.03.5006 spec oil, all the new oil standards have additive requirements to deal with soot buildup from direct injection that causes wear in the timing chain pins commonly diagnosed as "chain stretch", and requirements for managing the low speed predetonation DI engines are prone to. Manufacturers have had 15+ years experience since the original Ford WSS-M2C925-A spec oil was developed.
It's the easiest car in the world to do an oil change on, there is an extraction tube under the oil filler to easily suck the oil out and the filler is up top. Genuine 10 minute job start to finish.
Patrick Bateman said:
GeniusOfLove said:
The 5.0 needs JLR (formerly a Ford) spec 0W20 or 5W20 oil and it's fairly expensive, about £80 for the 7 litres of Castrol or Fuchs if you can find an offer, and an OE oil filter is usually over £20 too. Garage prices I imagine are well north of £100 for the materials everywhere you go.
It is very worthwhile using the latest STJLR.03.5006 spec oil, all the new oil standards have additive requirements to deal with soot buildup from direct injection that causes wear in the timing chain pins commonly diagnosed as "chain stretch", and requirements for managing the low speed predetonation DI engines are prone to. Manufacturers have had 15+ years experience since the original Ford WSS-M2C925-A spec oil was developed.
It's the easiest car in the world to do an oil change on, there is an extraction tube under the oil filler to easily suck the oil out and the filler is up top. Genuine 10 minute job start to finish.
That's not too bad- £180 including VAT sounds like a piss take though.It is very worthwhile using the latest STJLR.03.5006 spec oil, all the new oil standards have additive requirements to deal with soot buildup from direct injection that causes wear in the timing chain pins commonly diagnosed as "chain stretch", and requirements for managing the low speed predetonation DI engines are prone to. Manufacturers have had 15+ years experience since the original Ford WSS-M2C925-A spec oil was developed.
It's the easiest car in the world to do an oil change on, there is an extraction tube under the oil filler to easily suck the oil out and the filler is up top. Genuine 10 minute job start to finish.
Edited by TriumphStag3.0V8 on Thursday 25th April 08:18
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Having had a chance to go through the invoices that came with the car, he (previous owner) does seem to have paid top dollar for all the work done on it. The Indy he has been using seems to charge healthily for their services. I can't comment on whether they were value for money as I was there, but the car has been well looked after.
Aye got to be a good sign for you at least as the new owner.Patrick Bateman said:
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Having had a chance to go through the invoices that came with the car, he (previous owner) does seem to have paid top dollar for all the work done on it. The Indy he has been using seems to charge healthily for their services. I can't comment on whether they were value for money as I was there, but the car has been well looked after.
Aye got to be a good sign for you at least as the new owner.summit7 said:
everyone loves their XK
Err... Ok, yes I love mine but my god it is frustrating. Although, I give you the point that I seem to have bought the only lemon Jag made in XKR form 
It's going in Saturday for the SRS module replacement so fingers crossed it comes out reliable.
I've done 580 miles in it since picking it up in mid December. Luckily I don't need it every day but I did today and it took 10mins for the airbag light to go out before it would start.
It's less than fun spending £55 a month on VED with that little mileage!
When I do get to drive it and it behaves (no TPMS fault or CEL) then it is glorious.
I've asked Jag to check out the TPMS as well in case it is something obvious.
Anyone know if running Dunlop's on the back and Bridgestone on the front would cause TPMS issues?
I need to replace the Dunlop's anyway but need to get the car reliable first before dropping another £500 on tyres.
The TPMS system on these and the XF is a bag of s
t, as so many early systems were. Best thing you can do is get a specialist or someone familar with the Jaguar SDD system to code the system out of the car and just check your tyre pressures normally, you'll be giving it round after round from the parts cannon otherwise.
You can also code the pedestrian impact warning out when that inevitably appears.
EML will trace back to an actual fault to fix. A sensor at best, a dead cat at worst.
Your SRS / time delay fault is absolutely bonkers though, a real pain in the arse and something that would utterly ruin enjoyment of the car. Are there no sensible codes being stored about inhibited start or something?
It's very, very hard to find a decent diagnostician so I don't envy you at all.
t, as so many early systems were. Best thing you can do is get a specialist or someone familar with the Jaguar SDD system to code the system out of the car and just check your tyre pressures normally, you'll be giving it round after round from the parts cannon otherwise.You can also code the pedestrian impact warning out when that inevitably appears.
EML will trace back to an actual fault to fix. A sensor at best, a dead cat at worst.
Your SRS / time delay fault is absolutely bonkers though, a real pain in the arse and something that would utterly ruin enjoyment of the car. Are there no sensible codes being stored about inhibited start or something?
It's very, very hard to find a decent diagnostician so I don't envy you at all.
GeniusOfLove said:
The TPMS system on these and the XF is a bag of st, as so many early systems were. Best thing you can do is get a specialist or someone familar with the Jaguar SDD system to code the system out of the car and just check your tyre pressures normally, you'll be giving it round after round from the parts cannon otherwise.
You can also code the pedestrian impact warning out when that inevitably appears.
EML will trace back to an actual fault to fix. A sensor at best, a dead cat at worst.
Your SRS / time delay fault is absolutely bonkers though, a real pain in the arse and something that would utterly ruin enjoyment of the car. Are there no sensible codes being stored about inhibited start or something?
It's very, very hard to find a decent diagnostician so I don't envy you at all.
I had the same idea about coding out the TPMS. That is a real option if it is not an easy fix.t, as so many early systems were. Best thing you can do is get a specialist or someone familar with the Jaguar SDD system to code the system out of the car and just check your tyre pressures normally, you'll be giving it round after round from the parts cannon otherwise.You can also code the pedestrian impact warning out when that inevitably appears.
EML will trace back to an actual fault to fix. A sensor at best, a dead cat at worst.
Your SRS / time delay fault is absolutely bonkers though, a real pain in the arse and something that would utterly ruin enjoyment of the car. Are there no sensible codes being stored about inhibited start or something?
It's very, very hard to find a decent diagnostician so I don't envy you at all.
The CEL is a dying cat (P0420 power train, bank 1 cat below optimum efficiency), I think caused by excess fuel in the exhaust when the car isn't allowed to start. In the early days before I worked out the issue it smelt very fuel rich when cranking it over. The various mechanics looking at it would turn it over and by pumping the throttle it would cough into life briefly then cut out again like you'd pressed the ignition-off button. None of this has helped the cat.
I've ran 2 cans of cat clean through it hoping for an easy fix but am expecting the light to come on any day. That's the worst bit of driving it - the anxiety of either the TPMS flashing or the CEL appearing.
The SRS code is a network fault, always showing as pending, U0151.
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