2011 XJ Supersport X351
Discussion
Patrick Bateman said:
The euro 6 diesel sounds like a disaster zone for anything other than long trips and I don't believe your observations are anecdotal.
There are guys on jaguarforum who change their oil every 3k miles to avoid the fuel dilution issue.
Yeah, thats a lot of oil if you do a fair bit of mileage, 7 litres per change.There are guys on jaguarforum who change their oil every 3k miles to avoid the fuel dilution issue.
That 2.0 one is a proper oddball,
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403308...
LWB, rear entertainment, those wheels on it are quite expensive but a 2013 for £18,950 ? I can imagine insuring it may be frustrating as I expect a lot of insurers wont have it listed as an option in the UK, less power, less MPG, less cylinders and higher VED than a diesel 3.0, good luck but thats a hard sell at that price.
GeniusOfLove said:
What a turd, Ford Focus engine in your XJ.
I can't decide if I love those wheels or not, I passed on a set for my Supersport and picked up a brand new set of the standard fit Mataivas which I'm not actually all that keen on.
I quite like the wheels but it is the wrong engine, probably actually not as bad as it sounds on paper but nope.I can't decide if I love those wheels or not, I passed on a set for my Supersport and picked up a brand new set of the standard fit Mataivas which I'm not actually all that keen on.
This is the one I keep looking at,
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403017...
Started at £16,470, just dropped another £250 to £14,250.
They look good in silver, I was admiring one the other day. That wheels and drivers seat looks very worn and grubby for the miles, mine looks far better at 65k and I've got the more delicate semi aniline leather, that looks like the ivory leather in my diesel that I sold on 120,000 miles and the wheel in my 135k X150 doesn't look that grim.
A decade old car on 31k miles is reasonably likely to have made 31,000 one mile journeys, hence the seat looking like one on a 100k mile car, ideally you could get engine running hours AND mileage to know how hard the thing has actually worked. Personally I wouldn't pay much of a premium for lower miles, plenty of them are on 80k miles and look like new inside, they wear really well.
This is what my drivers seat looked like at 56k
This looks grubby, which is poor presentation, but it looks quite creased and worn too which suggests a hard 31k.
A decade old car on 31k miles is reasonably likely to have made 31,000 one mile journeys, hence the seat looking like one on a 100k mile car, ideally you could get engine running hours AND mileage to know how hard the thing has actually worked. Personally I wouldn't pay much of a premium for lower miles, plenty of them are on 80k miles and look like new inside, they wear really well.
This is what my drivers seat looked like at 56k
This looks grubby, which is poor presentation, but it looks quite creased and worn too which suggests a hard 31k.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Wednesday 10th April 10:37
Yes, I noticed the seat, the only minus point but take your point on the potential usage patterns, I would hope that the other car in the background was used for local trips and the Jag used for occasional longer ones, but who knows. Was thinking a good clean would have that looking better, worse comes to the worst I have recoloured leather to good effect before so could get the correct leather kit and sort it.
Yours looks epic, the contrast between that blue and the light leather is sublime, and I always think that often, photos dont do them justice, my CLS looked pretty ropey in the advert pics, despite being immaculate, its just that the grey leather looks cheap and nasty in photos, but in person, it was really quite nice, so yours in person must be even better.
You see some that really dont grab you in pics, some have a brown dash which looks rubbish but am guessing is ok in person, the other things are saggy leather as mentioned, manky buttons, scratched plastics and personal detritus in a car. I am a sucker for a freshly mown carpet though, when they vac them in alternate lines it just suggests some care has been taken on presentation. That bezel round the screen on a lot looks tired, is it easily repalceable I wonder ?
Its spotting what may put others off but is easily sortable, vs not easily sortable, looked at a Golf GTI once and it was clear passengers had used the dash as a footrest, so was full of scratches, car was ruined but they wanted top money as it was low mileage, didnt look it !
Silver one is a 12 grand car really, no mention of a cambelt which wont be due on mileage but will be on age, thats £600, am in no rush just doing my research and getting stuff like insurance quotes sorted, need to see what my ST is this year, asked the insurers if they could insure the Jag as well and maybe mirror my NCD, in fact they initially suggested that then when I called back as they didnt, they said they dont cover unmodified cars and suggested my ST will go up by 15 to 50% this year, so to between £575 and £750, thats due in June but cant really do much until I get the renewal.
Yours looks epic, the contrast between that blue and the light leather is sublime, and I always think that often, photos dont do them justice, my CLS looked pretty ropey in the advert pics, despite being immaculate, its just that the grey leather looks cheap and nasty in photos, but in person, it was really quite nice, so yours in person must be even better.
You see some that really dont grab you in pics, some have a brown dash which looks rubbish but am guessing is ok in person, the other things are saggy leather as mentioned, manky buttons, scratched plastics and personal detritus in a car. I am a sucker for a freshly mown carpet though, when they vac them in alternate lines it just suggests some care has been taken on presentation. That bezel round the screen on a lot looks tired, is it easily repalceable I wonder ?
Its spotting what may put others off but is easily sortable, vs not easily sortable, looked at a Golf GTI once and it was clear passengers had used the dash as a footrest, so was full of scratches, car was ruined but they wanted top money as it was low mileage, didnt look it !
Silver one is a 12 grand car really, no mention of a cambelt which wont be due on mileage but will be on age, thats £600, am in no rush just doing my research and getting stuff like insurance quotes sorted, need to see what my ST is this year, asked the insurers if they could insure the Jag as well and maybe mirror my NCD, in fact they initially suggested that then when I called back as they didnt, they said they dont cover unmodified cars and suggested my ST will go up by 15 to 50% this year, so to between £575 and £750, thats due in June but cant really do much until I get the renewal.
Edited by J4CKO on Thursday 11th April 13:36
Nipped up to Preston, had a look at two at a dealers, weren’t bad but the nice grey one was sold and the silver one had a couple of scuffs, there was a work thumb print thing on the sat nav surround and it had a full set of brand new budget tyres. Just didn’t grab me. The grey one was nicer but again budget tyres.
Need to put the leg work in I guess and look at a few and one will stand out.
They had a third, but it was a 2016 and not prepped, but avoiding those, couple more due in.
Need to put the leg work in I guess and look at a few and one will stand out.
They had a third, but it was a 2016 and not prepped, but avoiding those, couple more due in.
Thank you for the compliment, it's a beautiful car and I love the interior colours. The portfolio could get a similar scheme, mine had it, but it's a lighter "ivory" leather rather than the parchment semi aniline that the supersport came with.
It melts my brain that people walked into Jaguar dealers in 2010 when the X351 had all these wonderfully crafted interior colour schemes and said "I'll have a black one with an all black interior including the ceiling, and I'll pay extra for a carbon fibre effect trim like an £18k Audi A3" but plenty did!
The sat nav surround goes s
tty on all of them, and the buttons will go sticky. Same thing happens on L322 Range Rovers apparently, and lots of other cars with rubber touch buttons.
You can get the button goop off with isopropyl alcohol and a bit of elbow grease and you can do the same with the sat nav surround but in my experience it always looks a bit crap after, but I found stick on things on eBay to go over the top for £7 and that's fixed it for good.
That silver low mileage one I'd be very suspicious of, the seat wasn't just grubby it was worn and creased so it was either clocked maybe early in it's life to scam the lease, or it had just done a lot of short journeys with a big bloke driving it.
I don't have a pic of the drivers seat straight on but this was my diesel 2010 with ivory and navy being sold with somethng like 130k on the clock, the last 25k of which were done by a working mechanic commuting to and from work, and the last 40k were done by people I know to be on "the larger side" and the seat and wheel didn't look anything like as worn
It melts my brain that people walked into Jaguar dealers in 2010 when the X351 had all these wonderfully crafted interior colour schemes and said "I'll have a black one with an all black interior including the ceiling, and I'll pay extra for a carbon fibre effect trim like an £18k Audi A3" but plenty did!
The sat nav surround goes s
tty on all of them, and the buttons will go sticky. Same thing happens on L322 Range Rovers apparently, and lots of other cars with rubber touch buttons.You can get the button goop off with isopropyl alcohol and a bit of elbow grease and you can do the same with the sat nav surround but in my experience it always looks a bit crap after, but I found stick on things on eBay to go over the top for £7 and that's fixed it for good.
That silver low mileage one I'd be very suspicious of, the seat wasn't just grubby it was worn and creased so it was either clocked maybe early in it's life to scam the lease, or it had just done a lot of short journeys with a big bloke driving it.
I don't have a pic of the drivers seat straight on but this was my diesel 2010 with ivory and navy being sold with somethng like 130k on the clock, the last 25k of which were done by a working mechanic commuting to and from work, and the last 40k were done by people I know to be on "the larger side" and the seat and wheel didn't look anything like as worn
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Friday 12th April 13:24
Cheers, it’s a minefield, will just keep looking, no rush as want to get the right one and not just blunder into buying something I don’t really want just because it’s there.
Are there different types of leather ? Been learning the specs but it’s confusing with various info, different years, facelifts etc.
Are there different types of leather ? Been learning the specs but it’s confusing with various info, different years, facelifts etc.
J4CKO said:
Cheers, it’s a minefield, will just keep looking, no rush as want to get the right one and not just blunder into buying something I don’t really want just because it’s there.
Are there different types of leather ? Been learning the specs but it’s confusing with various info, different years, facelifts etc.
Yes. The "Luxury" spec gets "bond grain" which is quite horrid, and it has leather effect on the dash and door tops with an elephants arse heavy grain pattern in it. They only had two veneer options and they both look like something from a construction site. I see no reason you'd buy a Luxury spec X351 used, it's not worth the drop in spec and trim to save a grand.Are there different types of leather ? Been learning the specs but it’s confusing with various info, different years, facelifts etc.
"Premium Luxury" gets soft grain smooth leather seats and dash etc, without piping. In the 2016 facelift they got the piping from the portfolio.
"Porfolio" get the same but with contrast piping. In the 2016 facelift they got a quilted look and lost the contrast piping.
"Supersport" and later "Autobiography" cars get semi aniline leather which is very soft. On the SS it's the same style as the Portfolio, the Autobiography gets the diamond style seats from the later Portfolio. Semi aniline leather was an option on later Porfolios, I doubt you'll ever fine one with it.
There were sports seats options from maybe 2012, and an R-Sport trim later in life, and the XJR had it's own thing but I think they're all really naff on the X351. I did notice that the mats in a 2016 XJR were like some miserable thin things off eBay rather than the thick fluffy mats my two came with, part of the general ens
ttification Jaguar carried out over the cars life.Colour schemes and veneer availabilities changed from trim level to trim level too. I can send you a scan of the 2010 brochure if you want one and I think I have some of the others hanging around too. You could pay for "tipped" leather on the door cards and dash of the Supersport that made it look like the heavy coarse grain leather you'd get on a pair of work boots, I've seen it in person and it's very much a matter of taste.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Friday 12th April 14:17
Have decided to defer for a couple of months, want to do some track days in the Fiesta so have some spending to do, ordered a big brake kit, some semi slicks, baffled sump etc and am booking a track day. Decided I cant do both effectively right now and dont want to miss the summer track days.
Goth some other stuff like my eldest moving house and various other things so will wait a few months and keep my eye on the market.
Interesting stuff about the leather, the few Luxury models about seem a little unloved, still probably a very nice car by any normal standard, but in the current market can be picky.
Was going to look at this, came up locally at £14,990 on Sat, looked again Sun and had gone up £1000 !
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404128...
Goth some other stuff like my eldest moving house and various other things so will wait a few months and keep my eye on the market.
Interesting stuff about the leather, the few Luxury models about seem a little unloved, still probably a very nice car by any normal standard, but in the current market can be picky.
Was going to look at this, came up locally at £14,990 on Sat, looked again Sun and had gone up £1000 !
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404128...
danmarr14 said:
Still quite cheap for the mileage!
Yeah, ad down already !Was a nice example I expect, not suprised it sold quickly.
Were the 19 inch alloys an option ? They looked a bit lost on it, and I prefer the rear privacy glass, just gives them a bit more attitude. XJs range from complete Gerald spec to gentleman thug spec.
J4CKO said:
danmarr14 said:
Still quite cheap for the mileage!
Yeah, ad down already !Was a nice example I expect, not suprised it sold quickly.
Were the 19 inch alloys an option ? They looked a bit lost on it, and I prefer the rear privacy glass, just gives them a bit more attitude. XJs range from complete Gerald spec to gentleman thug spec.
GeniusOfLove said:
J4CKO said:
danmarr14 said:
Still quite cheap for the mileage!
Yeah, ad down already !Was a nice example I expect, not suprised it sold quickly.
Were the 19 inch alloys an option ? They looked a bit lost on it, and I prefer the rear privacy glass, just gives them a bit more attitude. XJs range from complete Gerald spec to gentleman thug spec.
Don't forget to check and recheck all the electrics on any that you view. Inc wing mirrors, windows one touch and gradual, central locking and the alarm if you can, speakers all around etc.
Also; if it has a sunroof open it up and check the recess for corrosion. Mine was like something Rob Ballard would make a documentary about.
Mine was a paltry 3.0d Portfolio but with the London tan leather it felt and drove like something 5 times the price. I only had it as a flipper between jobs but it left quite an impression on us as a family.
Also; if it has a sunroof open it up and check the recess for corrosion. Mine was like something Rob Ballard would make a documentary about.
Mine was a paltry 3.0d Portfolio but with the London tan leather it felt and drove like something 5 times the price. I only had it as a flipper between jobs but it left quite an impression on us as a family.
Kevin-y9fs3 said:
Don't forget to check and recheck all the electrics on any that you view. Inc wing mirrors, windows one touch and gradual, central locking and the alarm if you can, speakers all around etc.
Also; if it has a sunroof open it up and check the recess for corrosion. Mine was like something Rob Ballard would make a documentary about.
Mine was a paltry 3.0d Portfolio but with the London tan leather it felt and drove like something 5 times the price. I only had it as a flipper between jobs but it left quite an impression on us as a family.
Sunroof corrosion is very common on early ones, good shout, my 3.0d was bloody awful but my Super Sport isn't too bad.Also; if it has a sunroof open it up and check the recess for corrosion. Mine was like something Rob Ballard would make a documentary about.
Mine was a paltry 3.0d Portfolio but with the London tan leather it felt and drove like something 5 times the price. I only had it as a flipper between jobs but it left quite an impression on us as a family.
Quite common for speakers to go farty in the B&W, but often they just want the little paper cover on the voice coil put back in place and the door cards are really easy to take off.
Door lock motors are a persistent problem with everything Jaguar from 2000 onwards, make sure they all lock and unlock. You'll be dancing around with the keyless entry fob to do it though!
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