RE: Would you buy an oilburning luxo-barge?
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the dodger said:
manek said:
........Land Rover uses a higher capacity version of this motor, tuned for more torque for towing and off-road work, so it has to be tough.
I don't think it's different at all. The only differences may be Inlet and Exhaust manifolding etc. and calibration. I'm sure they are all 2.7L V6 Oilies.
We had a "Powertrain Drive Event" at work the other week where we were supposed to assess a range of cars powertrain for launch/refinement drivability etc. I drove an XJ TDiV6, S-Type TDiV6, Land Rover Disco TDiV6, VW Passat 2.0L (gasoline), Mondeo ST220, Transit 2.4L TD, Golf GTi 2.0L TD, Peugeot 407 SW 2.0L Td and Focus ST3 2.0L Turbo. Their were lots of other cars but I ran out of time including Range Rover Sport 2.7L TDiV6. All the Jags and LR/RR were rated at 206 PS indicating the same power unit.
The best car I drove? - the XJ was lovely, very refined (you are right to say you would never know it was a diesel) excellent interior but I found the steering too dead around the straight-ahead. Too much transmission lag on kick-down too (waiting for the turbines to spin-up?). The best all-rounder was the Mundano! Ha!
Jag V6 TDi's are all 206 bhp. Disco is 193 bhp, and RR sport is 188 bhp. They're the same base unit, but would have differing Cyl Heads, induction/exhaust systems.
WIll Ferrari said:
Phil Hopkins said:
err?
90% same car anyway - well thats a big jag and so is this one. they look the same. i think its interesting that this expensive motor will one day be worth £1000. obviously no one else shares my fascination.
as Phil said "err?"
I'd be surprised if any of the car was the same, apart from the obvious family resemblance.
All big saloon cars depreciate like this, Jags, Merc, Beemers, all of them. Often they have price inversion within a model range too, so that the initially more expensive models become the cheaper sheds. The purchase price drops as they age, but the running costs don't, so the purchase price has to fall futher to offset the running/maintenance costs. This continues until they reach an age where they become classic cars and here the prices bare no relationship to the original value. So 60s Jags are worth more than 70s or 80s Jags, Mk IIs (the X-type of its day, in as much as it was the cheaper intro to Jaguar model) is worth more than the S-Type, which is generally worth more than it's up market variant the 420 (squarer front, doesn't look like a MkII). These are then worth more than Mark X/420Gs which were the big saloons of their day, they're still vast even today.
Sports cars don't tend to depriciate quite the same, but the same effects happen, some models become more fashionable than others. Open top E-Types are now more expensive to Coupes, which are more expensive than 2+2s. The oldest ones are the most valuable, the newest ones come next, the ones in the middle are cheapest. Doing the car up can often lower it's value.
WIll Ferrari said:
Phil Hopkins said:
err?
90% same car anyway - well thats a big jag and so is this one. they look the same. i think its interesting that this expensive motor will one day be worth £1000. obviously no one else shares my fascination.
Good logic.
Oh look, there's a 20 year old big Merc, 90% the same as the current big Merc. Or possibly not.
MOST cars will one day be worth £1000 and less. That's not interesting, it's a fact.
Edited by Phil Hopkins on Sunday 8th October 21:27
Dont buy old cars for investment. Its what the city knobs learned in the early 90's. But we are in a very different market today from the sixties. Almost every car is of fantastic quality. Manufacturing is sorted out of its mind. You can go into a showroom if you have the money or the balls and order precisely what you want, and like as not get it in four weeks. Companies are DESPERATE to sell us superb cars. If thats not an opportunity I dont know what is. I have a nasty feeling it wont last. Your grandchildren will ask you...' but grandpa, why on earth didnt you buy a _________ when you had the chance (stupid old git)'.
You heard it here first.
You heard it here first.
Have just traded a 3.2 v8 for one of these. Awesome. The performance is astonishing. Hard to believe it's a diesel. V. quiet inside. The mid-range acceleration comes in a big surge, obviously down to the masses of torque. It has 100ft/lbs over the 3.0 v6, which I had before the v8. Have got the Sport Premium which is an XJR in all but engine. All the toys and luxuries. I recommend it!
So if I read that correctly 35mpg in the diesel and 27mpg in the petrol? So if petrol is 87p/l and diesel is 99p/l you save 1.73p per mile (Or £173 a year) by using a souless diesel.
So you won't offset the initial increased cost of the diesel engine against the smaller petrol for years and you get to produce poisonous DEP that gives children asthma. Brilliant. (Google it for references it's well documented).
When will people learn that diesel is just a crap solution to problems of torque vs. economy? LPG is the only way!
Edit: Yes I forgot the road tax.
So you won't offset the initial increased cost of the diesel engine against the smaller petrol for years and you get to produce poisonous DEP that gives children asthma. Brilliant. (Google it for references it's well documented).
When will people learn that diesel is just a crap solution to problems of torque vs. economy? LPG is the only way!
Edit: Yes I forgot the road tax.
Edited by G_T on Thursday 18th December 09:48
I swapped a 2.5 petrol x type for a 2.2 diesel. Diesel fuel is 12% more expensive but in my case i'm getting 50% more mpg.
I will also save £250 a year in road tax.
I will also save on depreciation compared to buying the same car again with a petrol engine. (Due to Brown's moronic rules nobody other that enthusiasts want big petrol cars anymore).
The diesel is miles better on the open road. It would leave the petrol for dead there, mid range pull is in a similar league to my old x300 XJR.
That said, the 0-60 is not as much fun & the sound is nowhere near as nice.
I will also save £250 a year in road tax.
I will also save on depreciation compared to buying the same car again with a petrol engine. (Due to Brown's moronic rules nobody other that enthusiasts want big petrol cars anymore).
The diesel is miles better on the open road. It would leave the petrol for dead there, mid range pull is in a similar league to my old x300 XJR.
That said, the 0-60 is not as much fun & the sound is nowhere near as nice.
I dont know how anyone manages to get into the 50s in an XJ. The most we have ever got is 45mpg on a 100 mile motorway journey. That was driving at 65mph the whole way, aircon off and thinking about my driving. Admittedly it was the week after the TG episode.
We would average 35mpg which would be mostly motorway driving.
We would average 35mpg which would be mostly motorway driving.
Edited by Red Diesel on Friday 9th January 19:31
To ressurect an old post!
I am seriously considering buying a used XJ Diesel as they seem to be great value for money.
Lots of info about the Merc's, Audis, BMW's - but very little about these cars.
So what kind of running costs are we looking at? I used to have a 535d - similar?
Fuel - my driving is 75% motorway. Am I going to get better than 35mpg overall?
How reliable are they? Jags of old don't have a great reputation here, are these any better?
I would be looking at ~06 cars and a budget of ~£13,000 and ideally a car with under 60k miles.
Talk to me!
I am seriously considering buying a used XJ Diesel as they seem to be great value for money.
Lots of info about the Merc's, Audis, BMW's - but very little about these cars.
So what kind of running costs are we looking at? I used to have a 535d - similar?
Fuel - my driving is 75% motorway. Am I going to get better than 35mpg overall?
How reliable are they? Jags of old don't have a great reputation here, are these any better?
I would be looking at ~06 cars and a budget of ~£13,000 and ideally a car with under 60k miles.
Talk to me!
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