RE: Would you buy an oilburning luxo-barge?

RE: Would you buy an oilburning luxo-barge?

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bad company

18,542 posts

266 months

Thursday 5th October 2006
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I drive a 2 1/2 year old xj8 4.2 and will shortly be taking delivery of a new one.

Tried the diesel but it's very slow after the 4.2 and I could certainly tell it was a diesel on starting. If I was going to buy a diesel I would go for the BMW 535d

triple7

4,013 posts

237 months

Thursday 5th October 2006
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Hey Bad are you going for an XJR???

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bad company

18,542 posts

266 months

Thursday 5th October 2006
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No - It's a 4.2 Soverign. Everybody was saying that the diesel is the one to have but I just can't see it. To me it performed and sounded like - A DIESEL.

Edited by bad company on Thursday 5th October 21:05

fatboy b

9,492 posts

216 months

Friday 6th October 2006
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the dodger said:
manek said:
........Land Rover uses a higher capacity version of this motor, tuned for more torque for towing and off-road work, so it has to be tough.

I don't think it's different at all. The only differences may be Inlet and Exhaust manifolding etc. and calibration. I'm sure they are all 2.7L V6 Oilies.

We had a "Powertrain Drive Event" at work the other week where we were supposed to assess a range of cars powertrain for launch/refinement drivability etc. I drove an XJ TDiV6, S-Type TDiV6, Land Rover Disco TDiV6, VW Passat 2.0L (gasoline), Mondeo ST220, Transit 2.4L TD, Golf GTi 2.0L TD, Peugeot 407 SW 2.0L Td and Focus ST3 2.0L Turbo. Their were lots of other cars but I ran out of time including Range Rover Sport 2.7L TDiV6. All the Jags and LR/RR were rated at 206 PS indicating the same power unit.

The best car I drove? - the XJ was lovely, very refined (you are right to say you would never know it was a diesel) excellent interior but I found the steering too dead around the straight-ahead. Too much transmission lag on kick-down too (waiting for the turbines to spin-up?). The best all-rounder was the Mundano! Ha!

Jag V6 TDi's are all 206 bhp. Disco is 193 bhp, and RR sport is 188 bhp. They're the same base unit, but would have differing Cyl Heads, induction/exhaust systems.

WIll Ferrari

114 posts

237 months

Friday 6th October 2006
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This is the same car as the shed of the week!

Phil Hopkins

17,110 posts

217 months

Friday 6th October 2006
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err?

WIll Ferrari

114 posts

237 months

Friday 6th October 2006
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Phil Hopkins said:
err?


90% same car anyway - well thats a big jag and so is this one. they look the same. i think its interesting that this expensive motor will one day be worth £1000. obviously no one else shares my fascination.

a8hex

5,829 posts

223 months

Friday 6th October 2006
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WIll Ferrari said:
Phil Hopkins said:
err?


90% same car anyway - well thats a big jag and so is this one. they look the same. i think its interesting that this expensive motor will one day be worth £1000. obviously no one else shares my fascination.


as Phil said "err?"

I'd be surprised if any of the car was the same, apart from the obvious family resemblance.

All big saloon cars depreciate like this, Jags, Merc, Beemers, all of them. Often they have price inversion within a model range too, so that the initially more expensive models become the cheaper sheds. The purchase price drops as they age, but the running costs don't, so the purchase price has to fall futher to offset the running/maintenance costs. This continues until they reach an age where they become classic cars and here the prices bare no relationship to the original value. So 60s Jags are worth more than 70s or 80s Jags, Mk IIs (the X-type of its day, in as much as it was the cheaper intro to Jaguar model) is worth more than the S-Type, which is generally worth more than it's up market variant the 420 (squarer front, doesn't look like a MkII). These are then worth more than Mark X/420Gs which were the big saloons of their day, they're still vast even today.

Sports cars don't tend to depriciate quite the same, but the same effects happen, some models become more fashionable than others. Open top E-Types are now more expensive to Coupes, which are more expensive than 2+2s. The oldest ones are the most valuable, the newest ones come next, the ones in the middle are cheapest. Doing the car up can often lower it's value.

simpo two

85,358 posts

265 months

Sunday 8th October 2006
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'And lightness is good, as any fule kno...'


Yay, this man reads Molesworth! nuts

Phil Hopkins

17,110 posts

217 months

Sunday 8th October 2006
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WIll Ferrari said:
Phil Hopkins said:
err?


90% same car anyway - well thats a big jag and so is this one. they look the same. i think its interesting that this expensive motor will one day be worth £1000. obviously no one else shares my fascination.


Good logic.

Oh look, there's a 20 year old big Merc, 90% the same as the current big Merc. Or possibly not.

MOST cars will one day be worth £1000 and less. That's not interesting, it's a fact.

Edited by Phil Hopkins on Sunday 8th October 21:27

cardigankid

8,849 posts

212 months

Tuesday 10th October 2006
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Dont buy old cars for investment. Its what the city knobs learned in the early 90's. But we are in a very different market today from the sixties. Almost every car is of fantastic quality. Manufacturing is sorted out of its mind. You can go into a showroom if you have the money or the balls and order precisely what you want, and like as not get it in four weeks. Companies are DESPERATE to sell us superb cars. If thats not an opportunity I dont know what is. I have a nasty feeling it wont last. Your grandchildren will ask you...' but grandpa, why on earth didnt you buy a _________ when you had the chance (stupid old git)'.

You heard it here first.

bobcheer

5 posts

263 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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Have just traded a 3.2 v8 for one of these. Awesome. The performance is astonishing. Hard to believe it's a diesel. V. quiet inside. The mid-range acceleration comes in a big surge, obviously down to the masses of torque. It has 100ft/lbs over the 3.0 v6, which I had before the v8. Have got the Sport Premium which is an XJR in all but engine. All the toys and luxuries. I recommend it!

G_T

16,160 posts

190 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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So if I read that correctly 35mpg in the diesel and 27mpg in the petrol? So if petrol is 87p/l and diesel is 99p/l you save 1.73p per mile (Or £173 a year) by using a souless diesel.

So you won't offset the initial increased cost of the diesel engine against the smaller petrol for years and you get to produce poisonous DEP that gives children asthma. Brilliant. (Google it for references it's well documented).

When will people learn that diesel is just a crap solution to problems of torque vs. economy? LPG is the only way!

Edit: Yes I forgot the road tax. biggrin



Edited by G_T on Thursday 18th December 09:48

w824gb3

257 posts

222 months

Wednesday 17th December 2008
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I swapped a 2.5 petrol x type for a 2.2 diesel. Diesel fuel is 12% more expensive but in my case i'm getting 50% more mpg.

I will also save £250 a year in road tax.
I will also save on depreciation compared to buying the same car again with a petrol engine. (Due to Brown's moronic rules nobody other that enthusiasts want big petrol cars anymore).

The diesel is miles better on the open road. It would leave the petrol for dead there, mid range pull is in a similar league to my old x300 XJR.

That said, the 0-60 is not as much fun & the sound is nowhere near as nice.

bobcheer

5 posts

263 months

Friday 9th January 2009
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Way more than 35mpg. In the 50s when cruising. Where did you get 35 from?

G_T

16,160 posts

190 months

Friday 9th January 2009
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bobcheer said:
Way more than 35mpg. In the 50s when cruising. Where did you get 35 from?
The article?

Edited: Actually I can't find it myself now... Probably best you just ignore me. biggrin


Edited by G_T on Friday 9th January 14:35

Red Diesel

66 posts

183 months

Friday 9th January 2009
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I dont know how anyone manages to get into the 50s in an XJ. The most we have ever got is 45mpg on a 100 mile motorway journey. That was driving at 65mph the whole way, aircon off and thinking about my driving. Admittedly it was the week after the TG episode.

We would average 35mpg which would be mostly motorway driving.

Edited by Red Diesel on Friday 9th January 19:31

NormanD

3,208 posts

228 months

Friday 9th January 2009
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w824gb3 said:
That said, the 0-60 is not as much fun & the sound is nowhere near as nice.
That's why I stay with petrol cars.

vinnie83

3,367 posts

193 months

Tuesday 20th September 2011
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To ressurect an old post!

I am seriously considering buying a used XJ Diesel as they seem to be great value for money.

Lots of info about the Merc's, Audis, BMW's - but very little about these cars.

So what kind of running costs are we looking at? I used to have a 535d - similar?

Fuel - my driving is 75% motorway. Am I going to get better than 35mpg overall?

How reliable are they? Jags of old don't have a great reputation here, are these any better?

I would be looking at ~06 cars and a budget of ~£13,000 and ideally a car with under 60k miles.

Talk to me!

cardigankid

8,849 posts

212 months

Wednesday 21st September 2011
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Watch the Top Gear Basel to Blackpool race, to the end. Short answer, particularly given the new XJ's rather underwhelming looks, is yes.