XKR versus A Cerbera anyone ?
Discussion
RUSSELLM said:
I'd have been intersted to see how the XKR & XJR's would have done on that 3/4 mile.
With the extra power & torque and the auto box, I reckon that and the Cerb would have been very, very, very close.
nah, in a stright line there is very very little that will out run a cerb, xj220 excluded With the extra power & torque and the auto box, I reckon that and the Cerb would have been very, very, very close.
RUSSELLM said:
I'd have been intersted to see how the XKR & XJR's would have done on that 3/4 mile.
With the extra power & torque and the auto box, I reckon that and the Cerb would have been very, very, very close.
You missed one important factor - weight. Looking at the pictures and a couple of the videos that have been posted it looked like a really good day was had. With the extra power & torque and the auto box, I reckon that and the Cerb would have been very, very, very close.
Edited by ParanoidAndroid on Monday 13th August 19:54
Great day.... results are here
http://fightingtorque.org/supercar/index.php?optio...
I reckon that once you're moving, anything with a bit of torque should be there or there abouts, unless it's a tank.
Look at the 335 diesel's results
Plus the auto box of the Merc shifted along nicely, was over 600bhp though
There's A CL600 twin turbo on AT at £28K, all 493 bhp of it.
Why do I keep seeing these lovely cars ? )
http://fightingtorque.org/supercar/index.php?optio...
I reckon that once you're moving, anything with a bit of torque should be there or there abouts, unless it's a tank.
Look at the 335 diesel's results
Plus the auto box of the Merc shifted along nicely, was over 600bhp though
There's A CL600 twin turbo on AT at £28K, all 493 bhp of it.
Why do I keep seeing these lovely cars ? )
Cooky said:
RUSSELLM said:
I'd have been intersted to see how the XKR & XJR's would have done on that 3/4 mile.
With the extra power & torque and the auto box, I reckon that and the Cerb would have been very, very, very close.
nah, in a stright line there is very very little that will out run a cerb, xj220 excluded With the extra power & torque and the auto box, I reckon that and the Cerb would have been very, very, very close.
RUSSELLM said:
I'd have been intersted to see how the XKR & XJR's would have done on that 3/4 mile.
With the extra power & torque and the auto box, I reckon that and the Cerb would have been very, very, very close.
Russell,With the extra power & torque and the auto box, I reckon that and the Cerb would have been very, very, very close.
I had a bit of a friendly play with a latest shape Silver XKR (N** XNS) yesterday on the M1, lets just say that I pulled a reasonable gap on more than one occassion. Beautiful looking car though and more than fast enough when the speed is needed.
On the 3/4 mile I think an XKR would have recorded about 28.5sec.
Jules.
as she's digging her heels in for a DB7 
I'd do some research on here, from people who've had the DB7. They don't seem to get great reviews.
Cyclone, what are the current figure for your BM, and what was you running it at the FT meet ?
I think standard is 280 bhp, 420lbs ish ?
You got my trophy for "car's that surprised me most"
Cyclone, what are the current figure for your BM, and what was you running it at the FT meet ?
I think standard is 280 bhp, 420lbs ish ?
You got my trophy for "car's that surprised me most"
RUSSELLM said:
I'd do some research on here, from people who've had the DB7. They don't seem to get great reviews.
Cyclone, what are the current figure for your BM, and what was you running it at the FT meet ?
I think standard is 280 bhp, 420lbs ish ?
You got my trophy for "car's that surprised me most"
Hi Russell,Cyclone, what are the current figure for your BM, and what was you running it at the FT meet ?
I think standard is 280 bhp, 420lbs ish ?
You got my trophy for "car's that surprised me most"
It was suppose to be running 350bhp and 510lb/ft, but I've had it on the rolling road since FT and it's only 320bhp and 500lb/ft, it was enough to see off the new XKR though.
Jules.
steelej said:
Are you sure the new XKR was giving it the full beans? is a 335d with 320 bhp, 500lbs torque and not a great deal of weight difference enough to see off the XKR with 100bhp more and slightly less torque? Just curious.
John.
John,John.
Edited by steelej on Friday 17th August 13:14
There is over 100kgs weight difference between the two cars and probably more if the Jag was fully loaded. The RR results have yet to be confirmed so it may have a touch more.
The driver of the XKR was definitely trying as on the second time he put his foot down there was a small amount of smoke emitted from the exhausts, it was only a few good hearted blasts from fairly high speeds, but the BMW was definitely was quicker. He probably doesn't post on here or any forums but his reg was eye catching with my being an old INXS fan.....N** XNS. Not that the plate has anything to do with INXS.
Jules.
Edited by Cyclone1 on Friday 17th August 13:22
According to the tech specs, the BM is 1645Kg and the Jag 1665KG, I know they're always fudged but that's all I can go on. The only reason I'm asking is that you can never really tell if someone is giving it the full beans or not on a public road, for example if it was me that was in the XKR there's certain speeds I just won't go above so there's probably a couple of 1.2 corsa owners bragging to his mates about how he burned an XKR 
My friend had the same experience the other day, he's got a Boxster and was having a little spat on the motorway with a Golf, it got to a point where he wasn't going any faster and the golf pulled away again probably thinking that they wasted the boxter.
John.
My friend had the same experience the other day, he's got a Boxster and was having a little spat on the motorway with a Golf, it got to a point where he wasn't going any faster and the golf pulled away again probably thinking that they wasted the boxter.
John.
steelej said:
According to the tech specs, the BM is 1645Kg and the Jag 1665KG, I know they're always fudged but that's all I can go on. The only reason I'm asking is that you can never really tell if someone is giving it the full beans or not on a public road, for example if it was me that was in the XKR there's certain speeds I just won't go above so there's probably a couple of 1.2 corsa owners bragging to his mates about how he burned an XKR
My friend had the same experience the other day, he's got a Boxster and was having a little spat on the motorway with a Golf, it got to a point where he wasn't going any faster and the golf pulled away again probably thinking that they wasted the boxter.
John.
Hi John,My friend had the same experience the other day, he's got a Boxster and was having a little spat on the motorway with a Golf, it got to a point where he wasn't going any faster and the golf pulled away again probably thinking that they wasted the boxter.
John.
I stand corrected on the weight of the Jag.
I know what you are saying as I have had a couple of Cerbs and used to get idiots trying it on all the time, so occassionally I would just let them go.
However, this was not the case with this Jag, he was definitely trying, I've been driving long enough to know when someone has just hit the loud pedal. I didn't come on here to brag otherwise I'd have posted a whole new thread!!
It's no real disgrace though as the BM was quicker than quite a fw other cars at the Fighting Torque event.
Jules.
Hi there,
Just wanted to add my 'few pence worth'.
Until November last year, I had an excellent Cerbera 450 LW that had been fettled by Joolz at TCS. It was a great and exhilerating car to drive, and I covered 17500 miles in it over 8 months including a trip to Paris and another to Normandy; and used it as my everyday car.
However, the main reason I sold it was the general running costs along with parts availability (or lack of).
As I was using the car all the time if something went wrong I needed it fixed ASAP, and could not afford the car to be off the road for more than a few days!
Fair play to Fernhursts (where I bought the car), and also to TCS and Topcats racing for keeping me 'rolling' when various bits needed doing to it. But as time went on it seemed to be getting increasingly difficult to get bits for the car WHEN I NEEDED THEM; (and this was when the factory was still open?!)
It was working out just too expensive overall to keep running as an everyday car. I would love to have been in the position of having the Cerb as a 3rd car, but we dont have secure parking for a 3rd vehicle, let alone the money to run it.
I decided to buy the XKR as had always had the thought at the back of my mind as a 'possible next car. It seemed to offer me the best compromise between practicality (although the Cerbera boot was bigger), comfort, performance and overall cost of running. Plus it has that gorgeous supercharged 4.2 V8 under the bonnet, which after a bit of fettling now pushes out well over 400bhp!! I could never get the Cerb up to the 'magic' 400bhp figure even with all of Joolz' experience. (I know many have managed it - but mine would not!).
Another bonus is I can get any bit I need for the XKR over the counter, generally the same day which to be honest is still a real novelty!
As with TVR's there are many Jaguar specialists who can service and generally 'pamper' the cars for a lot less than a main 'stealer', so I have engaged the services of one such garage to keep the car running smoothly.
Finally I can also get all the bits and pieces for the car that I want to enhance/personalise it and make it my own. After the various modifications I have made to the appearance, running and handling of the car, I now have what I feel is a stunning and pretty unique XKR.
But best of all, I can just get in it, start it, drive it as hard as I like and not have to worry about it being as 'delicate' as the Cerb felt at times due to that 'TVR build quality'.
The Cerbera is (and always will be) a great car that every true 'petrolhead' should own at some point! I was lucky enough to own two and loved them both. But for me the Jag is the civilised commuter vehicle when required, but can also be a real hooligan whenever I want!!
Incidentally to drive quickly, whilst the Cerb would have the XKR on acceleration; the Jag feels quicker and significantly more stable at high speeds!
Overall I am very happy with it, and it continues to be a fun car to own and drive!
Scottman.
Just wanted to add my 'few pence worth'.
Until November last year, I had an excellent Cerbera 450 LW that had been fettled by Joolz at TCS. It was a great and exhilerating car to drive, and I covered 17500 miles in it over 8 months including a trip to Paris and another to Normandy; and used it as my everyday car.
However, the main reason I sold it was the general running costs along with parts availability (or lack of).
As I was using the car all the time if something went wrong I needed it fixed ASAP, and could not afford the car to be off the road for more than a few days!
Fair play to Fernhursts (where I bought the car), and also to TCS and Topcats racing for keeping me 'rolling' when various bits needed doing to it. But as time went on it seemed to be getting increasingly difficult to get bits for the car WHEN I NEEDED THEM; (and this was when the factory was still open?!)
It was working out just too expensive overall to keep running as an everyday car. I would love to have been in the position of having the Cerb as a 3rd car, but we dont have secure parking for a 3rd vehicle, let alone the money to run it.
I decided to buy the XKR as had always had the thought at the back of my mind as a 'possible next car. It seemed to offer me the best compromise between practicality (although the Cerbera boot was bigger), comfort, performance and overall cost of running. Plus it has that gorgeous supercharged 4.2 V8 under the bonnet, which after a bit of fettling now pushes out well over 400bhp!! I could never get the Cerb up to the 'magic' 400bhp figure even with all of Joolz' experience. (I know many have managed it - but mine would not!).
Another bonus is I can get any bit I need for the XKR over the counter, generally the same day which to be honest is still a real novelty!
As with TVR's there are many Jaguar specialists who can service and generally 'pamper' the cars for a lot less than a main 'stealer', so I have engaged the services of one such garage to keep the car running smoothly.
Finally I can also get all the bits and pieces for the car that I want to enhance/personalise it and make it my own. After the various modifications I have made to the appearance, running and handling of the car, I now have what I feel is a stunning and pretty unique XKR.
But best of all, I can just get in it, start it, drive it as hard as I like and not have to worry about it being as 'delicate' as the Cerb felt at times due to that 'TVR build quality'.
The Cerbera is (and always will be) a great car that every true 'petrolhead' should own at some point! I was lucky enough to own two and loved them both. But for me the Jag is the civilised commuter vehicle when required, but can also be a real hooligan whenever I want!!
Incidentally to drive quickly, whilst the Cerb would have the XKR on acceleration; the Jag feels quicker and significantly more stable at high speeds!
Overall I am very happy with it, and it continues to be a fun car to own and drive!
Scottman.
Edited by Scottman on Friday 17th August 23:59
After owning a Jag XJR and in true petrol head fashion I bought a great big warbling Rover V8 
and got a TVR 450 Chimera with it I can in all honesty say that I really miss the XJR. The TVR is fantastic car to drive, makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up every time I start up, but you can't help but feel that it is delicate, hence me having it up for sale.
The XJR is not as fast or raw, but was certainly good fun to drive in it's own right and I'm currently on the prowl
for another.
and in true petrol head fashion I bought a great big warbling Rover V8 and got a TVR 450 Chimera with it I can in all honesty say that I really miss the XJR. The TVR is fantastic car to drive, makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up every time I start up, but you can't help but feel that it is delicate, hence me having it up for sale.The XJR is not as fast or raw, but was certainly good fun to drive in it's own right and I'm currently on the prowl
for another.XFRFred said:
Holy thread revival! It's 10 years old.
I wonder how a modern day XKR, with the 5.0l supercharged engine, will run against the older balls out Cerbera. The torque site is not longer in action.
I've driven both over the years, and currently own an XKR I wouldn't like to live on the difference power wise between the two. I wonder how a modern day XKR, with the 5.0l supercharged engine, will run against the older balls out Cerbera. The torque site is not longer in action.
Never had a reliability problem with either of the Tivs I've owned, if you look after them and service them regularly you shouldn't have a problem.
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