Great Drive in the Jaguar XJR-15
Discussion
F16 TomCat said:
Stevo220, I am looking forward to seeing the car when it's finished. Even if I was tempted to do something with mine, I feel the Nr 1 car should remain original. I have just acquired a second car, a road version with 5 speed box and LM spec body work. I will probably repaint this one to a high standard. Boxer's always looks fantastic, it's a tough standard to meet.
Congrats on the second car...I am getting tempted by a second one as well...but need to finish the first one first! Steve Wakefield just did a nice review on Rod Leach's car:
http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3600.asp?...
SteveO220 said:
F16 TomCat said:
Stevo220, I am looking forward to seeing the car when it's finished. Even if I was tempted to do something with mine, I feel the Nr 1 car should remain original. I have just acquired a second car, a road version with 5 speed box and LM spec body work. I will probably repaint this one to a high standard. Boxer's always looks fantastic, it's a tough standard to meet.
Congrats on the second car...I am getting tempted by a second one as well...but need to finish the first one first! Steve Wakefield just did a nice review on Rod Leach's car:
http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3600.asp?...
Yesterday was cold, sunny and dry here so took the opportunity to take the big Jag out for a drive. Just getting it started is always an event in the XJR-15. Once started and warm, headed out to do one of the usual circuits. The more I drive it, the better it keeps getting and the more natural it feels. Car and driver have now reached the point where we seem to have a pretty good understanding of what to expect from one another so progress is much quicker and much smoother. That big 6 liter V12 is just a phenomenal engine. Huge shove in the back when you give it a bit of right foot. Once you get used to the clutch and rifle fast gear change, it is a real pleasure to use.
That early feeling of ecstasy of making it back to the garage alive (driving a Group C race car on the road can be a tad intimidating initially) is long gone, this time out, we actually went back and ran a second section on the loop a 2nd time just because we were having so much fun.
That early feeling of ecstasy of making it back to the garage alive (driving a Group C race car on the road can be a tad intimidating initially) is long gone, this time out, we actually went back and ran a second section on the loop a 2nd time just because we were having so much fun.
chris.mapey said:
Have to say that an XJR-15 is my ultimate dream car (that or a McLaren F1). One day...
Same for me! In fact, in the nineties, I felt the '15 was the more desirable car. Funny how time changes things. While I am now lucky enough to be able to afford one, the other will remain permanently out of reach I suspect.I was talking to a serious collector on Sunday (with over 300 cars). He is someone who likes to make money out of the game, as well as driving his 'investments'. He has an XJR-15 in his collection and in his opinion is taking advantage of a massive arbitrage between the '15 and F1. As he puts it, the '15 is rarer (only 50 built), has an almost equal racing pedigree (through the XJR-9 link), is a more interesting drive and was actually the first fully C/F road car, before the F1. It lacks the 'Gordon Murray' cleverness of the F1 (but has Tom Walkingshaw behind it - hardly a bad thing) and is clearly not as easy to drive (which to some PHers is a good thing!). It also lacks instant recognition. But he has seen all this in the past on other models and has done pretty well betting on these big market corrections.
His 'target' price for the '15 is £1m+ over the next 10 years. That sounds staggering compared to current values, but stranger things have happened (e.g. the DB5 or Miura).
If you believe any of this and can put a reasonable chunk of money aside, go for it!
SteveO220 said:
Same for me! In fact, in the nineties, I felt the '15 was the more desirable car. Funny how time changes things. While I am now lucky enough to be able to afford one, the other will remain permanently out of reach I suspect.
I was talking to a serious collector on Sunday (with over 300 cars). He is someone who likes to make money out of the game, as well as driving his 'investments'. He has an XJR-15 in his collection and in his opinion is taking advantage of a massive arbitrage between the '15 and F1. As he puts it, the '15 is rarer (only 50 built), has an almost equal racing pedigree (through the XJR-9 link), is a more interesting drive and was actually the first fully C/F road car, before the F1. It lacks the 'Gordon Murray' cleverness of the F1 (but has Tom Walkingshaw behind it - hardly a bad thing) and is clearly not as easy to drive (which to some PHers is a good thing!). It also lacks instant recognition. But he has seen all this in the past on other models and has done pretty well betting on these big market corrections.
His 'target' price for the '15 is £1m+ over the next 10 years. That sounds staggering compared to current values, but stranger things have happened (e.g. the DB5 or Miura).
If you believe any of this and can put a reasonable chunk of money aside, go for it!
This is my view too. I can save a lot of money/year at the moment, but nowhere nea enough for one of these I was talking to a serious collector on Sunday (with over 300 cars). He is someone who likes to make money out of the game, as well as driving his 'investments'. He has an XJR-15 in his collection and in his opinion is taking advantage of a massive arbitrage between the '15 and F1. As he puts it, the '15 is rarer (only 50 built), has an almost equal racing pedigree (through the XJR-9 link), is a more interesting drive and was actually the first fully C/F road car, before the F1. It lacks the 'Gordon Murray' cleverness of the F1 (but has Tom Walkingshaw behind it - hardly a bad thing) and is clearly not as easy to drive (which to some PHers is a good thing!). It also lacks instant recognition. But he has seen all this in the past on other models and has done pretty well betting on these big market corrections.
His 'target' price for the '15 is £1m+ over the next 10 years. That sounds staggering compared to current values, but stranger things have happened (e.g. the DB5 or Miura).
If you believe any of this and can put a reasonable chunk of money aside, go for it!
SteveO220 said:
chris.mapey said:
Have to say that an XJR-15 is my ultimate dream car (that or a McLaren F1). One day...
Same for me! In fact, in the nineties, I felt the '15 was the more desirable car. Funny how time changes things. While I am now lucky enough to be able to afford one, the other will remain permanently out of reach I suspect.I was talking to a serious collector on Sunday (with over 300 cars). He is someone who likes to make money out of the game, as well as driving his 'investments'. He has an XJR-15 in his collection and in his opinion is taking advantage of a massive arbitrage between the '15 and F1. As he puts it, the '15 is rarer (only 50 built), has an almost equal racing pedigree (through the XJR-9 link), is a more interesting drive and was actually the first fully C/F road car, before the F1. It lacks the 'Gordon Murray' cleverness of the F1 (but has Tom Walkingshaw behind it - hardly a bad thing) and is clearly not as easy to drive (which to some PHers is a good thing!). It also lacks instant recognition. But he has seen all this in the past on other models and has done pretty well betting on these big market corrections.
His 'target' price for the '15 is £1m+ over the next 10 years. That sounds staggering compared to current values, but stranger things have happened (e.g. the DB5 or Miura).
If you believe any of this and can put a reasonable chunk of money aside, go for it!
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