mk2 golf gti Oettinger!
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you could be right lad, ive just bought it and an interested in finding out more about it most of the paperwork was oettinger on it i wonder if i could give the serial no to a vw garage would they be able to verify its originality for me?? its defo a 2.0 ltr thats on the log book thank for the info chaps.
Ranger 6 said:
I thought Oettinger stopped making their head & manifold once VW started doing their own in the late 70s?
The original mk1 golf 16s (S for - Soupapes or valves in Froggy) were built around 81-83 but designed in late 70s as you say. Oettinger were using audi blocks and oettingers own 16v heads as the ports are different shapes to VW ones which werent even being developed at that time as the first 16v golf appeared mid way through 1986.This golf though is said to have a 2.0l 16v which makes it possible that it is a Oettinger 2000E/16v as you could pay for this upgrade after buying the car. I believe one of the London dealers - Sloane square? were the main distributors of the Oettinger/Zender parts that were factory warranted.
OO found another pic of Oety head
Notice how the cams are gear driven and NOT chain driven like VW models.
Also BRM/GTI Engineering did lots of aftermarket engine conversions but they ususally have a plaque on the slam panel or inside the door telling you about the specification/build date
I also have a 1989 Oettinger Golf 16v supplied through Scotts of sloan square fitted with their 2000e engine, Oettinger Grill, Oettinger Gauges, Oettinger steering wheel, Recaro's ect...... It's not been on the road for 10years but I had a quick run out in it a few months ago just to remind me how nice a well sorted mk2 golf drives.
alonzo said:
I also have a 1989 Oettinger Golf 16v supplied through Scotts of sloan square fitted with their 2000e engine, Oettinger Grill, Oettinger Gauges, Oettinger steering wheel, Recaro's ect...... It's not been on the road for 10years but I had a quick run out in it a few months ago just to remind me how nice a well sorted mk2 golf drives.
Custardstuttgartmetal said:
alonzo said:
I also have a 1989 Oettinger Golf 16v supplied through Scotts of sloan square fitted with their 2000e engine, Oettinger Grill, Oettinger Gauges, Oettinger steering wheel, Recaro's ect...... It's not been on the road for 10years but I had a quick run out in it a few months ago just to remind me how nice a well sorted mk2 golf drives.
Custardpics!
I also used to have a mkii 16 v oettinger golf gti also in oak green - full leather black recaro interior originally sold through Scott's in sloane sq - bought from a city boy in the rain near sloane square and boy was that car sick - had to pay for new pistons soon after as she drank oil like nobody's business.
Great car when it worked - big bumpers btw
Always wondered what happened to it - I guess it would help if I could remember the reg!
Great car when it worked - big bumpers btw
Always wondered what happened to it - I guess it would help if I could remember the reg!
congratulations , that is a great car .
i used to own this car .
it is indeed a genuine oettinger 2000 16v.
bought from scotts of sloan square in 1989 .
bare in mind it cost 25k when a new 16v could be had for 13k ....
imagine VWs latest top offering (.:R32 ??) , and paying nearly double ....
yes , it was a special car !!
based on an 89 16 it was delivered from the factory strait to oettinger where they performed the work iirc .
it had black leather electric racaros from new and they where still in when i sold it a few years ago .
the votex and guages , wheel etc are all genuine and fitted by oettinger from new .
it also had oettinger 15" rims and a golf rallye front put on after i had it restored , but these where damaged in ireland so the car was trailored away on mis-matched wheels .
before i damaged it i had just had it repainted with genuine rallye front , g60 arches etc.
it originally came standard golf 16v parts .
at the time i fitted the groupA bilstein stuff . i think with eibach race and helper springs ??
with hindsight , they where a bit rough for everyday use
i fitted a new bonnet as the original needed work that made it uneconomical to repair .
this is why the oettinger info labels where not on when i sold it . i kinda ruined them trying to remove them from the original bonnet .
i had the rear badges removed , and a few other things whilst it was in for paint .
i stuck the oettinger badge on the glovebox you have posted .
it was originally a keyring !!!
i really liked that car and used it as my daily for years without it missing a beat .
after i crashed it on the outskirts of dublin , it sat on my drive for a while with a couple of other rare golfs and i just lost heart after restoring it then seeing it wrecked everytime i was back in england .
in the end i sold them all .
i had one of the first rhd uk gti 1600s , oettinger 16v mark 1 , oettinger 16v mark 2 , brm gti mark1 , gti engineering 2.0 16v jetta , gti mark1 cab with audi tt quattro running gear , helios campaign mark1 gti . all good stuff
the other oettinger went to a guy called richy up in middlesbrough , i also gave him all my oettinger literature i think (i remember sending him mag articles etc after he bought my mark1)
there was a good long artical in either the golf or performanceVW mag about these cars .
i can remember the names as i've gotten old , but the bald guy from leeds wrote the artical about the guy from nottingham? that used to paint all the show cars , as he owned a similar car.
let me know if you need to know more and i can maybe fill in a few of the blanks and put you in touch with richy ...
if you wanted it back to standard you would need to take off the 90 kit and fit standard front wings and small bumpers .
badges on the rear ,
i think i also had the seams taken out of the rear panel , but left the VW roundel ??
these are simply filled holes and a skim of filler , if you investigate in the boot you should see where to put it back to standard .
the seats as i said where black leather electric reacaros and it had rear headrests , but the doorcards where a sheet of plain black leather .
i replaced these with rallye parts as they looked better with the pleats imo .
wheels where standard 15" 16v bbs .
i ran over the original scotts of sloan square rear plate whilst the car was in the bodyshop , so replaced it with an "off the shelf" one while i had a new/old one made to copy the original front plate (this never happened)
i also fitted a new oettinger rear plate holder as i had a few lying around .
maybe i fitted the exhaust ... is it a magnex system ??
it came with a standard 16v system but i think i remember doing a deal on a magnex system in trade for fixing a gti for a place in bolton .
the suspension would need changing back to oettinger too (iirc just springs and oettinger used both eibach and h&r rebranded as there own , so either of these would work)
you mention a previous owner using HIC would that be me by any chance that left insurance papers in the car ??
i used to use them for all my cars and there where certain cut-offs that increased the premium .
hence 5k
it was worth more , but not worth me paying for it on a daily driver .
it was a compromise figure to get the coverage i wanted . the mark1 oettinger was insured for 15 iirc , as that was there maximum at the time .
if you deal with them to insure it , they have history of insuring the car and know its true worth to replace .
mention my name if you like .
i kept an oettinger wooden steering wheel as a souvenir , maybe a wooden gearnob too , but cant recall seeing it lately .
i also have a new set of plastic centercaps that i never got around to fitting .
i have some oettinger alloys in 7.5x17 if youre interested ??
they are in need of repair and are 5x100 though ...
i used to own this car .
it is indeed a genuine oettinger 2000 16v.
bought from scotts of sloan square in 1989 .
bare in mind it cost 25k when a new 16v could be had for 13k ....
imagine VWs latest top offering (.:R32 ??) , and paying nearly double ....
yes , it was a special car !!
based on an 89 16 it was delivered from the factory strait to oettinger where they performed the work iirc .
it had black leather electric racaros from new and they where still in when i sold it a few years ago .
the votex and guages , wheel etc are all genuine and fitted by oettinger from new .
it also had oettinger 15" rims and a golf rallye front put on after i had it restored , but these where damaged in ireland so the car was trailored away on mis-matched wheels .
before i damaged it i had just had it repainted with genuine rallye front , g60 arches etc.
it originally came standard golf 16v parts .
at the time i fitted the groupA bilstein stuff . i think with eibach race and helper springs ??
with hindsight , they where a bit rough for everyday use
i fitted a new bonnet as the original needed work that made it uneconomical to repair .
this is why the oettinger info labels where not on when i sold it . i kinda ruined them trying to remove them from the original bonnet .
i had the rear badges removed , and a few other things whilst it was in for paint .
i stuck the oettinger badge on the glovebox you have posted .
it was originally a keyring !!!
i really liked that car and used it as my daily for years without it missing a beat .
after i crashed it on the outskirts of dublin , it sat on my drive for a while with a couple of other rare golfs and i just lost heart after restoring it then seeing it wrecked everytime i was back in england .
in the end i sold them all .
i had one of the first rhd uk gti 1600s , oettinger 16v mark 1 , oettinger 16v mark 2 , brm gti mark1 , gti engineering 2.0 16v jetta , gti mark1 cab with audi tt quattro running gear , helios campaign mark1 gti . all good stuff
the other oettinger went to a guy called richy up in middlesbrough , i also gave him all my oettinger literature i think (i remember sending him mag articles etc after he bought my mark1)
there was a good long artical in either the golf or performanceVW mag about these cars .
i can remember the names as i've gotten old , but the bald guy from leeds wrote the artical about the guy from nottingham? that used to paint all the show cars , as he owned a similar car.
let me know if you need to know more and i can maybe fill in a few of the blanks and put you in touch with richy ...
if you wanted it back to standard you would need to take off the 90 kit and fit standard front wings and small bumpers .
badges on the rear ,
i think i also had the seams taken out of the rear panel , but left the VW roundel ??
these are simply filled holes and a skim of filler , if you investigate in the boot you should see where to put it back to standard .
the seats as i said where black leather electric reacaros and it had rear headrests , but the doorcards where a sheet of plain black leather .
i replaced these with rallye parts as they looked better with the pleats imo .
wheels where standard 15" 16v bbs .
i ran over the original scotts of sloan square rear plate whilst the car was in the bodyshop , so replaced it with an "off the shelf" one while i had a new/old one made to copy the original front plate (this never happened)
i also fitted a new oettinger rear plate holder as i had a few lying around .
maybe i fitted the exhaust ... is it a magnex system ??
it came with a standard 16v system but i think i remember doing a deal on a magnex system in trade for fixing a gti for a place in bolton .
the suspension would need changing back to oettinger too (iirc just springs and oettinger used both eibach and h&r rebranded as there own , so either of these would work)
you mention a previous owner using HIC would that be me by any chance that left insurance papers in the car ??
i used to use them for all my cars and there where certain cut-offs that increased the premium .
hence 5k
it was worth more , but not worth me paying for it on a daily driver .
it was a compromise figure to get the coverage i wanted . the mark1 oettinger was insured for 15 iirc , as that was there maximum at the time .
if you deal with them to insure it , they have history of insuring the car and know its true worth to replace .
mention my name if you like .
i kept an oettinger wooden steering wheel as a souvenir , maybe a wooden gearnob too , but cant recall seeing it lately .
i also have a new set of plastic centercaps that i never got around to fitting .
i have some oettinger alloys in 7.5x17 if youre interested ??
they are in need of repair and are 5x100 though ...
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john gledhill .
its just come back to me !!
john gledhill is the guy from leeds who use to write for all the magazines .
i used to know john and he knows this car .
quite a few people knew it as its one of only about 3 in the uk
where abouts are you thomas ??
i had this car in the northwest for years and was active in the vw communinty , so lots of the old-school vw guys in the area know it .
i got a tip-off from a city-boy about it and i think i went to wales to get it , but it could have been in london as i was working there at the time .
i had it advertised using "undamaged" pics on pvw , edition38 , and a few other uk sites as well as vw vortex .
i sold it to a trader in scotland (fife i think)
he sold it to a guy in tyrone i think .
i lost track of it after that .
i have searched for pics of it many times and most of the places i advertised are down or i cant find the thread .
i only found this thread after having another quick google search !!
i thought about buying it back lots of times .
looking at your pictures , i'd say the primer on the front wing was due to my bad driving :lol:
its just come back to me !!
john gledhill is the guy from leeds who use to write for all the magazines .
i used to know john and he knows this car .
quite a few people knew it as its one of only about 3 in the uk
where abouts are you thomas ??
i had this car in the northwest for years and was active in the vw communinty , so lots of the old-school vw guys in the area know it .
i got a tip-off from a city-boy about it and i think i went to wales to get it , but it could have been in london as i was working there at the time .
i had it advertised using "undamaged" pics on pvw , edition38 , and a few other uk sites as well as vw vortex .
i sold it to a trader in scotland (fife i think)
he sold it to a guy in tyrone i think .
i lost track of it after that .
i have searched for pics of it many times and most of the places i advertised are down or i cant find the thread .
i only found this thread after having another quick google search !!
i thought about buying it back lots of times .
looking at your pictures , i'd say the primer on the front wing was due to my bad driving :lol:
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i just remembered somethingelse ...
i have a couple of powerhaus oettinger/okrasa stickers (usa distributor for oettinger)
that i found in my storage in december when i was tidying .
does the car still have one fitted under the bonnet ??
i put that there
like this , but with powerhaus on it too .
fyi :
okrasa is VERY well known in the vintage vw world .
there where one of the pioneers of tuning the beetle .
okrasa is basically oettingers "special tuning" division .
the O in okrasa stands for oettinger , the rest is some german nonsense that icant remember
you'll have to google it ....
anyway , this car came from okrasa .
oettinger sold the parts , you can still buy parts from them for modern cars on there website and fit them yourself ..
but to buy a car built like this , it would be done through okrasa .
i dont think they still do stuff like this for public sale , mainly r+d that eventually filters down to vw showroom models (ussually via motorsport/vw racing)
this was my other oettinger car that richy now looks after .
being an anorak , it was the only one in the world ...
but that was just looking at specs .
anyway , just being a 16v mark1 gti it was another rare car .
it has a version of this in it ....
i have a couple of powerhaus oettinger/okrasa stickers (usa distributor for oettinger)
that i found in my storage in december when i was tidying .
does the car still have one fitted under the bonnet ??
i put that there
like this , but with powerhaus on it too .
fyi :
okrasa is VERY well known in the vintage vw world .
there where one of the pioneers of tuning the beetle .
okrasa is basically oettingers "special tuning" division .
the O in okrasa stands for oettinger , the rest is some german nonsense that icant remember
you'll have to google it ....
anyway , this car came from okrasa .
oettinger sold the parts , you can still buy parts from them for modern cars on there website and fit them yourself ..
but to buy a car built like this , it would be done through okrasa .
i dont think they still do stuff like this for public sale , mainly r+d that eventually filters down to vw showroom models (ussually via motorsport/vw racing)
this was my other oettinger car that richy now looks after .
being an anorak , it was the only one in the world ...
but that was just looking at specs .
anyway , just being a 16v mark1 gti it was another rare car .
it has a version of this in it ....
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