Lease on Golf R
Discussion
AGK said:
tjob said:
Application sent for mine today.
3 door Manual in flat white, no other options at all - £254 per month inc vat on personal lease 6x23
Seems not many have gone for manual, I only did it because it's cheaper, but do you still get the sports mode or anything? Are there an non cost options I should be ticking, I just jumped at the cheap price and can do the spec later. Requested my delivery end of May, no hurry at all for me
3 door Manual in flat white, no other options at all - £254 per month inc vat on personal lease 6x23
Seems not many have gone for manual, I only did it because it's cheaper, but do you still get the sports mode or anything? Are there an non cost options I should be ticking, I just jumped at the cheap price and can do the spec later. Requested my delivery end of May, no hurry at all for me
Standfree1 said:
Ordered today 5dr manual in silver with 19's
£300/month End of March del
Where are you two getting quotes from.£300/month End of March del
Well, I received my car on Friday (ordered June) and I thought I'd share my initial impressions. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with it, but there are a few things that surprised me and I wonder if anyone else shares these views?
Obviously, I'm comparing it to my previous car, which was the NA RenaultSport Clio 200, which feels archaic compared to the high-tech Golf, but that's not all a good thing. For a start (literally), I wish I'd gone for the Keyless entry, which I'd gotten used to in the Clio. Getting in the Golf and messing around with the key is just not as easy. And whereas in the Clio, landing in the seat, pressing the clutch, hitting the start button were all one integrated movement meaning you were moving less than a second after getting in, with the Golf there's various buttons to press, figuring out the unintuitive handbrake etc. I will now be more sympathetic while waiting for people to drive away from petrol stations.
That's all fine and will just take a bit of getting used to, I'm sure, but the only thing that has surprised me — and I have a feeling this might be more to do with car technology than what I'm used to — is that just driving around, it feels oddly dead when just getting on and off the throttle. You push the throttle and for a split second, it seems to be deciding whether it's going to do anything or not. In the Clio, which was very analogue, there was no such delay and every input resulted in an immediate response from the car. The gearbox too is nowhere near as notchy or mechanical, it just feels a bit limp and even the steering feels a bit lifeless as far as I can tell. I guess this is the difference between things that are connected mechanically and electronically.
Admittedly, I've not done many miles in it and only in London and when I did get the chance, I opened it up a bit and it flew. But, I'm slightly worried this is going to be a bit of an uninspiring pain around London and will only come into its own on open, fast flowing roads. Not at all what I expected. I guess I was spoilt by the Clio, but I didn't expect such a comparison.
Oh, and that sound actuator thing has got to go. If I'd have wanted a Subaru, I'd have bought (leased) one.
Obviously, I'm comparing it to my previous car, which was the NA RenaultSport Clio 200, which feels archaic compared to the high-tech Golf, but that's not all a good thing. For a start (literally), I wish I'd gone for the Keyless entry, which I'd gotten used to in the Clio. Getting in the Golf and messing around with the key is just not as easy. And whereas in the Clio, landing in the seat, pressing the clutch, hitting the start button were all one integrated movement meaning you were moving less than a second after getting in, with the Golf there's various buttons to press, figuring out the unintuitive handbrake etc. I will now be more sympathetic while waiting for people to drive away from petrol stations.
That's all fine and will just take a bit of getting used to, I'm sure, but the only thing that has surprised me — and I have a feeling this might be more to do with car technology than what I'm used to — is that just driving around, it feels oddly dead when just getting on and off the throttle. You push the throttle and for a split second, it seems to be deciding whether it's going to do anything or not. In the Clio, which was very analogue, there was no such delay and every input resulted in an immediate response from the car. The gearbox too is nowhere near as notchy or mechanical, it just feels a bit limp and even the steering feels a bit lifeless as far as I can tell. I guess this is the difference between things that are connected mechanically and electronically.
Admittedly, I've not done many miles in it and only in London and when I did get the chance, I opened it up a bit and it flew. But, I'm slightly worried this is going to be a bit of an uninspiring pain around London and will only come into its own on open, fast flowing roads. Not at all what I expected. I guess I was spoilt by the Clio, but I didn't expect such a comparison.
Oh, and that sound actuator thing has got to go. If I'd have wanted a Subaru, I'd have bought (leased) one.
Edited by tim milne on Monday 1st December 10:37
Edited by tim milne on Monday 1st December 10:37
tim milne said:
Well, I received my car on Friday (ordered June) and I thought I'd share my initial impressions. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with it, but there are a few things that surprised me and I wonder if anyone else shares these views?
Obviously, I'm comparing it to my previous car, which was the NA RenaultSport Clio 200, which feels archaic compared to the high-tech Golf, but that's not all a good thing. For a start (literally), I wish I'd gone for the Keyless entry, which I'd gotten used to in the Clio. Getting in the Golf and messing around with the key is just not as easy. And whereas in the Clio, landing in the seat, pressing the clutch, hitting the start button were all one integrated movement meaning you were moving less than a second after getting in, with the Golf there's various buttons to press, figuring out the unintuitive handbrake etc. I will now be more sympathetic while waiting for people to drive away from petrol stations.
That's all fine and will just take a bit of getting used to, I'm sure, but the only thing that has surprised me — and I have a feeling this might be more to do with car technology than what I'm used to — is that just driving around, it feels oddly dead when just getting on and off the throttle. You push the throttle and for a split second, it seems to be deciding whether it's going to do anything or not. In the Clio, which was very analogue, there was no such delay and every input resulted in an immediate response from the car. The gearbox too is nowhere near as notchy or mechanical, it just feels a bit limp and even the steering feels a bit lifeless as far as I can tell. I guess this is the difference between things that are connected mechanically and electronically.
Admittedly, I've not done many miles in it and only in London and when I did get the chance, I opened it up a bit and it flew. But, I'm slightly worried this is going to be a bit of an uninspiring pain around London and will only come into its own on open, fast flowing roads. Not at all what I expected. I guess I was spoilt by the Clio, but I didn't expect such a comparison.
Oh, and that sound actuator thing has got to go. If I'd have wanted a Subaru, I'd have bought (leased) one.
Have you tried the gearbox in sport mode yet? (it will be in that by default in race or when in D click the stick towards you once which will put it in S)Obviously, I'm comparing it to my previous car, which was the NA RenaultSport Clio 200, which feels archaic compared to the high-tech Golf, but that's not all a good thing. For a start (literally), I wish I'd gone for the Keyless entry, which I'd gotten used to in the Clio. Getting in the Golf and messing around with the key is just not as easy. And whereas in the Clio, landing in the seat, pressing the clutch, hitting the start button were all one integrated movement meaning you were moving less than a second after getting in, with the Golf there's various buttons to press, figuring out the unintuitive handbrake etc. I will now be more sympathetic while waiting for people to drive away from petrol stations.
That's all fine and will just take a bit of getting used to, I'm sure, but the only thing that has surprised me — and I have a feeling this might be more to do with car technology than what I'm used to — is that just driving around, it feels oddly dead when just getting on and off the throttle. You push the throttle and for a split second, it seems to be deciding whether it's going to do anything or not. In the Clio, which was very analogue, there was no such delay and every input resulted in an immediate response from the car. The gearbox too is nowhere near as notchy or mechanical, it just feels a bit limp and even the steering feels a bit lifeless as far as I can tell. I guess this is the difference between things that are connected mechanically and electronically.
Admittedly, I've not done many miles in it and only in London and when I did get the chance, I opened it up a bit and it flew. But, I'm slightly worried this is going to be a bit of an uninspiring pain around London and will only come into its own on open, fast flowing roads. Not at all what I expected. I guess I was spoilt by the Clio, but I didn't expect such a comparison.
Oh, and that sound actuator thing has got to go. If I'd have wanted a Subaru, I'd have bought (leased) one.
Edited by tim milne on Monday 1st December 10:37
Edited by tim milne on Monday 1st December 10:37
The gearbox learns your style of driving supposedly but yes there is a definite .5 seconds delay between stamping on the throttle and anything happening.
Try using manual mode too (when in D slide the gear leaver left) and then the car will hold the gear (unless you are accelerating) - i find this useful if you know you're going to need power so, manual mode, drop down and the it'll be at say 4000rpm and hold that gear so when you stamp on the throttle you don't have to wait for the revs to climb.
One REALLY odd thing i am finding is the car likes foreplay. when you first get it up to temp and want to drive spiritedly it feels good etc but after 10 mins or so of giving it the beans it takes on a new feel. Sharper, more aggressive like.
I must admit i would prefer a car i don't have to trick and tease into giving me all available power. i do accept that i am still getting used to it so maybe it will come in time.
oh and electronic handbrake - it automatically disengages when you press the throttle, so forget its there for pull away.
Secondly - did you know the arm rest is telescopic ? slide it from underneath towards the radio
King James said:
Re the throttle response are sprint boosters available for the mk7r? May be worth a try?
The rest of your synopsis makes me concerned that getting rid of my e46 m3 CS for an R is going to a big disappointment re driving engagement
They are but they flag the VW service machines as 'modified' and invalidate the warranty - causing you to be immediately liable for the full purchase price of the car to the leasing company. As i understand it.The rest of your synopsis makes me concerned that getting rid of my e46 m3 CS for an R is going to a big disappointment re driving engagement
Pixelpeep7r said:
Have you tried the gearbox in sport mode yet? (it will be in that by default in race or when in D click the stick towards you once which will put it in S)
Sorry, should've made it clear — it's a manual, which makes the inertness around the throttle a bit hard to fathom. Maybe it's just me, but it all seems a bit woolly when you feed the power back on in normal driving. It feels less uncertain with bigger throttle openings, but in normal stop-start traffic the hesitancy is disconcerting — to the point that you're not sure when to change gear. It's making me feel like a teenage learner driver.Is this just digital cars? I drove a Fiat 500 the other day and it was undriveable in normal mode.
So, if a direct mechanical connection to the throttle is immediate, then that is the fastest you can get. With electronic throttles, the various modes (race, eco, normal) are in fact artificially constructed lesser versions (i.e. more delay, less direct) created in order to give a choice architecture therefore a false sense of value.
I'm all for feel-the-benefit by restricting my use of Race mode to special occasions, much like I have favourite trousers I don't wear every day, but isn't that what an accelerator pedal is for anyway?
tim milne said:
Sorry, should've made it clear — it's a manual, which makes the inertness around the throttle a bit hard to fathom. Maybe it's just me, but it all seems a bit woolly when you feed the power back on in normal driving. It feels less uncertain with bigger throttle openings, but in normal stop-start traffic the hesitancy is disconcerting — to the point that you're not sure when to change gear. It's making me feel like a teenage learner driver.
Is this just digital cars? I drove a Fiat 500 the other day and it was undriveable in normal mode.
So, if a direct mechanical connection to the throttle is immediate, then that is the fastest you can get. With electronic throttles, the various modes (race, eco, normal) are in fact artificially constructed lesser versions (i.e. more delay, less direct) created in order to give a choice architecture therefore a false sense of value.
I'm all for feel-the-benefit by restricting my use of Race mode to special occasions, much like I have favourite trousers I don't wear every day, but isn't that what an accelerator pedal is for anyway?
Wow.. that's weird then. You almost understand for an auto box to be a little slow on the uptake but for the manual to need 'time' thats just odd.Is this just digital cars? I drove a Fiat 500 the other day and it was undriveable in normal mode.
So, if a direct mechanical connection to the throttle is immediate, then that is the fastest you can get. With electronic throttles, the various modes (race, eco, normal) are in fact artificially constructed lesser versions (i.e. more delay, less direct) created in order to give a choice architecture therefore a false sense of value.
I'm all for feel-the-benefit by restricting my use of Race mode to special occasions, much like I have favourite trousers I don't wear every day, but isn't that what an accelerator pedal is for anyway?
is it the same in Race ?
Pixelpeep7r said:
Wow.. that's weird then. You almost understand for an auto box to be a little slow on the uptake but for the manual to need 'time' thats just odd.
is it the same in Race ?
It's a bit better, but it's not as immediate as I'd expected or that I'm used to — maybe the Clio spoilt me — and this was from a far-from ideal drive across London in heavy traffic, but that's not where you'd expect a modern car to be wanting. I've owned extreme cars (R32 Skyline with dog box and 964RS race car) as daily drivers where you accept compromises as a trade off for open-road thrills.is it the same in Race ?
I guess time will tell as I learn more about it, and these 'delays' are minuscule — it's more of a feeling — but I suspect it won't match the Clio's ability to feel like an automotive extension of my unconscious mind.
This is exactly the sort of thing that 'worries' me. I found my Impreza P1 a little dull when jumping from a TVR Cerbera. I have a later more powerful TVR Cerbera these days as my occasional toy (with modified gear box, diff, fly wheel etc) which I think might make the R feel ordinary and therefore slow n dull....
To be fair, it's a Golf. The Golf was always known for it's 'all round' greatness.
No it won't give you thrills like a TVR. But equally it won't break down, catch fire, shove you in a ditch or do 13mpg on a run
you won't ever tick ALL your motoring boxes.
Its the difference between an iPod and vinyl. The golf is the iPod that you can just grab and play your music and get 95% of the enjoyment in a stylish, no fuss box.
People that need that purist feeling of placing the needle on the record yourself and hearing the crackles etc etc etc then this isn't the car for you.
it will be 95% of all the car you need. if the 5% is what you get hung up on, then you either need 2 cars or have to accept you will never have your cake and be able to eat it.
No it won't give you thrills like a TVR. But equally it won't break down, catch fire, shove you in a ditch or do 13mpg on a run
you won't ever tick ALL your motoring boxes.
Its the difference between an iPod and vinyl. The golf is the iPod that you can just grab and play your music and get 95% of the enjoyment in a stylish, no fuss box.
People that need that purist feeling of placing the needle on the record yourself and hearing the crackles etc etc etc then this isn't the car for you.
it will be 95% of all the car you need. if the 5% is what you get hung up on, then you either need 2 cars or have to accept you will never have your cake and be able to eat it.
Gazzab said:
Yeah I get that - that wasnt quite my point. My point is that having a Golf R and not having owned anything as fast or fun before will maybe make it feel more ordinary. Hope not.
Launch control (DSGonly) or planting it 3/4 of the way round a wet roundabout onto an exit ramp and you will feel pretty special.It IS muted in the experience sense, but i suppose that is the idea. It's a golf with a bit more ooomph than usual.
Looking at the speedo or looking in the rear view mirror at the other cars getting smaller and smaller is generally the way to gauge how good your progress is.
I have also noticed coming up on cars on the motorway different. you seem to arrive much more quickly than you thought you would.
tim milne said:
Mind. Do you normally get them confused?
It was all that talk of things being 'limp' or 'lifeless'...lol. You asked if I shared your experience of the Golf? Nope - The Golf opens and starts like any other car with a key, how you can find that challenging is beyond me. Different cars have different throttle responses - get used to it, it's not hard. Your Fiat 500 being undrivable makes me wonder if you should even be driving! As for not knowing when to change gear - seriously??
I don't think I can find anything in your experience I share at all actually...makes me wonder if someone has actually supplied you with a 1.4 with fancy wheels and seats? That might explain it
jamiehamy said:
tim milne said:
Mind. Do you normally get them confused?
It was all that talk of things being 'limp' or 'lifeless'...lol. You asked if I shared your experience of the Golf? Nope - The Golf opens and starts like any other car with a key, how you can find that challenging is beyond me. Different cars have different throttle responses - get used to it, it's not hard. Your Fiat 500 being undrivable makes me wonder if you should even be driving! As for not knowing when to change gear - seriously??
I don't think I can find anything in your experience I share at all actually...makes me wonder if someone has actually supplied you with a 1.4 with fancy wheels and seats? That might explain it
I was merely giving my first impressions based on my experience, which is obviously going to be different to some peoples, and similar to others — or maybe not, that was the purpose of asking.
I'm just surprised that it feels the way it does and don't think it reflects on my driving abilities, which after 35 years, I feel I can discount as being a factor.
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