2.0TFSI Oil Consumption
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Dpsmith060 said:
Just got my A5 back from the test after 325 miles after filling. Audi will pay £1800 towards my rebuild. 2010 motor with 50k on the clock. Not good enough for a prestigious mark. I have BBC interest in covering the issue so please email your story to dpsmith060@aol.com
Ask them to cover MK5 Golfs with rusty wings and sills as well. Rust and high oil consumption were things you'd expect of 1970s/1980s VAGs, not 2005 onwards. And they continue to market themselves as premium.At what point do you think a manufacturer can/should wash their hands of it?
2/3/4/5 years?
My VTEC Honda started smoking badly, was bloody awful at only 76k. Obviously a fairly major issue but the car is 9 years old. Mileage is an indication of the distance travelled, not how well or hard it has been used.
With a previous owner perhaps it simply did the 4 mile run to the train station and back and has glazed bores and rings. I understand your anger but sometimes we all get caught with a pup. Though without doing a 300 mile test drive before purchase it is difficult to diagnose.
2/3/4/5 years?
My VTEC Honda started smoking badly, was bloody awful at only 76k. Obviously a fairly major issue but the car is 9 years old. Mileage is an indication of the distance travelled, not how well or hard it has been used.
With a previous owner perhaps it simply did the 4 mile run to the train station and back and has glazed bores and rings. I understand your anger but sometimes we all get caught with a pup. Though without doing a 300 mile test drive before purchase it is difficult to diagnose.
Well, they can't wash their hands with a 12 year anti-corrosion warranty!
As with all faults & mistakes, it's not so much they happen in the first place that winds us up, but rather how they are handled after the fact, and that is where VAG fall short (in some cases, not all).
The warranties aren't clear cut and the Americans get better treatment because they buy more of them than we do. For example, they have a 10 year warranty on the MK5 GTI's powertrain. We got 3 years.
If your MK5 Golf's sills should rust, you would think it's covered under the 12 year warranty, wouldn't you? Wrong. That falls under the "edge and fold" category (what ever the f'k that is) and you only get 3 years cover on that.
It's just the slimey little loopholes they use to avoid paying out, which is tantamount to denying there is a problem with the car.
I guess it all falls back to the fact they don't want people to own a car for more than 5 years. They want you to keep upgrading and to that effect, VAG have been building their cars down to a price for a decade now. They spend more on the interior to make you think you are driving a cut above, but the skeleton of the car is no better than what Ford and GM are producing.
The MK5 and onwards are, rather annoyingly, superb cars to drive though!
As with all faults & mistakes, it's not so much they happen in the first place that winds us up, but rather how they are handled after the fact, and that is where VAG fall short (in some cases, not all).
The warranties aren't clear cut and the Americans get better treatment because they buy more of them than we do. For example, they have a 10 year warranty on the MK5 GTI's powertrain. We got 3 years.
If your MK5 Golf's sills should rust, you would think it's covered under the 12 year warranty, wouldn't you? Wrong. That falls under the "edge and fold" category (what ever the f'k that is) and you only get 3 years cover on that.
It's just the slimey little loopholes they use to avoid paying out, which is tantamount to denying there is a problem with the car.
I guess it all falls back to the fact they don't want people to own a car for more than 5 years. They want you to keep upgrading and to that effect, VAG have been building their cars down to a price for a decade now. They spend more on the interior to make you think you are driving a cut above, but the skeleton of the car is no better than what Ford and GM are producing.
The MK5 and onwards are, rather annoyingly, superb cars to drive though!
Edited by SuperchargedVR6 on Thursday 27th November 12:31
With these feet said:
At what point do you think a manufacturer can/should wash their hands of it?
2/3/4/5 years?
The problem is the cars are sold as reliable "If only everything in life was as reliable as a volkswagen", so people expect them to be.2/3/4/5 years?
The reality is they are no better than anything else out there, possibly worse than others.
A mate works for Audi, when a car has a problem the most common response from owners is "But I don't expect this from an Audi...". It confuses him because frankly, its just a machine, machines go wrong.
Its just a car, they aren't anything special.
In this case, treatment is immaterial, there is a defect that causes the problem.
va1o said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
The MK5 and onwards are, rather annoyingly, superb cars to drive though!
Agree completely but the common problems are so tedious! Failed AC compressor, rust and ABS module 
Rust is inexcusable on ANY car in the 21st century, let alone VAGs. Having said that, is it just VWs that rust? Do the wings and sills on the MK5 based Skodas, SEATs and Audis rust?
Crafty_ said:
A mate works for Audi, when a car has a problem the most common response from owners is "But I don't expect this from an Audi...". It confuses him because frankly, its just a machine, machines go wrong.
And a very complicated machine at that. Car enthusiasts excluded, the general car buying public are clueless about cars and treat them like white goods. They are happy to pay £300 a month for a white A3 TDI "S Line" with gunmetal wheels, but bitterly resent it costing them anything in maintenance.
I would put money on some failures being caused by owner neglect.
These guys deal with BMW N47 timing chains which have snapped and also claims about Audis which burn too much oil.. they might be able to help out..
http://www.candcsolicitors.co.uk/accident-claims-s...
http://www.candcsolicitors.co.uk/accident-claims-s...
Interesting. I'm usually wary of ambulance-chasing lawyers like this, though...
I'd missed the "You and Yours" item on BBC Radio om this topic. That could help get things moving too.
A certain "David Smith" was on the program (who came over very well, btw
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'09 A4 TFSI, 62000 miles, oil usage 1400 miles/l and rising
I'd missed the "You and Yours" item on BBC Radio om this topic. That could help get things moving too.
A certain "David Smith" was on the program (who came over very well, btw
)'09 A4 TFSI, 62000 miles, oil usage 1400 miles/l and rising
Dr G said:
The issue affects the longitudinally installed 'valvelift' version of the EA888 series 2.0TFSI. This engine entered production in 2008.
This engine is installed in 'B8' chassis cars including the A4, A5 & Q5.
do you have info on when they 'corrected' this problem? (does anybody have engine number ranges or the like?)This engine is installed in 'B8' chassis cars including the A4, A5 & Q5.
are 2013/14 cars likely to be OK?
(Had an 06 A4 2.0TFSi and that was great, just got a 14 A5 2.0TFSi, really hope it's as good...
Well just as I was thinking what a good car I'd bought!!
I have 2009 1.8 TFSI bought Nov last with 42k and full service from Audi garage. Minimum oil message came on about 2000 miles later. added a litre and went another 2000 miles or so. Next measured a half litre and had done 480 miles! It's using the 'longlife' oil which is expensive and I reckon I could spend £150 on top ups between the 20K oil changes! My previous A4 ( W reg) I just got rid of never had oil between services even at 99K!
As suggested by others I have booked in for a consumption test so will watch with interest. In theory I have a year warranty so will be interesting to see whether this will be covered. Thanks for the tips - I will pretend to be unaware of this fiasco initially.
I have 2009 1.8 TFSI bought Nov last with 42k and full service from Audi garage. Minimum oil message came on about 2000 miles later. added a litre and went another 2000 miles or so. Next measured a half litre and had done 480 miles! It's using the 'longlife' oil which is expensive and I reckon I could spend £150 on top ups between the 20K oil changes! My previous A4 ( W reg) I just got rid of never had oil between services even at 99K!
As suggested by others I have booked in for a consumption test so will watch with interest. In theory I have a year warranty so will be interesting to see whether this will be covered. Thanks for the tips - I will pretend to be unaware of this fiasco initially.
Hello
I am the owner of one of the abovementioned Audi A4 B8 equipped with the 2.0 TFSI, engine code CDNB.
And having an oil consumption of about 1 - 1.2 l oil / 1000 km. I am familiar with the claims which have been running in the US, but this does not apply in Denmark.
The engine has been running 106.600 km, and from October 2010.
I would of course like to have an engine upgrades, I believe, however, it is not possible in DK.
But have any of you tried with other motor oil? Viscosities, brands etc.?
Greetings LWP
I am the owner of one of the abovementioned Audi A4 B8 equipped with the 2.0 TFSI, engine code CDNB.
And having an oil consumption of about 1 - 1.2 l oil / 1000 km. I am familiar with the claims which have been running in the US, but this does not apply in Denmark.
The engine has been running 106.600 km, and from October 2010.
I would of course like to have an engine upgrades, I believe, however, it is not possible in DK.
But have any of you tried with other motor oil? Viscosities, brands etc.?
Greetings LWP
Edited by lwp on Monday 15th February 07:08
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