Golf GTI Mk5 standard v Edition 30?

Golf GTI Mk5 standard v Edition 30?

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g7jhp

Original Poster:

6,959 posts

237 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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I'm looking at a Golf GTI Mk5 and the difference in prices between a standard car and the Edition 30 is massive.

The Edition 30 comes with a 230bhp detuned version of the S3 engine. If I need an extra 30bhp+ a chip is obviously a much cheaper route to go

Other than the 30bhp, body coloured bumpers, BBM wheels and Ed30 badges is there any real benefit over the standard car?

pinseeker

144 posts

194 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Sits15mm lower, may make a little difference to handling/comfort but I only looked at ed30s so can't really comment.

Bought my ed30 last summer and had it mapped. Very very quick and a hoot to drive. If you are not that interested in big power gains go for a nicely specced gti, however if the idea of an easy 300bhp floats your boat go for the ed30. Drive both and see how you feel, I would have thought ed30s will hold their value better also.

Edited by pinseeker on Saturday 28th March 09:48

jakesmith

9,461 posts

170 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Chip tuning an ed30 gives way more than 30bhp. Its got the intercooler and larger turbos so can handle another 60-70 bhp. That will put it way faster than a gti. It also has the nicest wheels. Will hold value better for sure.

g7jhp

Original Poster:

6,959 posts

237 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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jakesmith said:
Chip tuning an ed30 gives way more than 30bhp. Its got the intercooler and larger turbos so can handle another 60-70 bhp. That will put it way faster than a gti. It also has the nicest wheels. Will hold value better for sure.
I'm aware I can get more than 30bhp with a chip. AMD Stage 1 chip for the standard GTI gives 60 bhp (for the Ed 30 it gives 70bhp).

The question was is there any real difference between standard v Ed 30 except 30bhp, wheels, colour coded bumpers and badges (understanding it has a detuned S3 engine).

There's a £2k difference between similar age and mileage and as there are more standard cars it's easier to find a lower mileage.

2007 standard with 46k miles at £8.5k




2007 Edition 30 with 60k miles at £10.5k





andrewparker

7,906 posts

186 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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pinseeker said:
Sits15mm lower, may make a little difference to handling/comfort but I only looked at ed30s so can't really comment.
Incorrect, the Edition 30 and GTI share exactly the same suspension. Check the part numbers if you are unsure. Many reviews stated that it sits 15mm lower than the standard car, but that comparison is against a regular MK5 Golf, not a GTI.

The difference in the characteristics of the car lies solely in the turbo. The KO3 feels faster and more responsive at slower speeds, whereas the KO4 is massively superior at higher speeds. General consensus is that a stage 1 KO3 car is faster than a standard Edition 30.

Edited by andrewparker on Saturday 28th March 18:43


Edited by andrewparker on Saturday 28th March 18:44

AudiSport

1,458 posts

215 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Can't comment on the difference between the two, however my MK5 GTI really struggled to put the power down in the wet. If your seriously thinking about increasing the power I would look at an A3/S3 Quattro with the 2.0T. I sold my GTI for a B7 A4 2.0T Quattro and loved it. The engine responded really well to Revo software and became incredibly fast.

pad58

12,543 posts

180 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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Ed 30 all the way I looked at the GTI and the 30 for my next car ,having VW GT IS for the last 15+ years the ED was easily the best prospect, looks,power , and everything else that goes with a full bells and whistles.

However I needed a bigger car because of grand kids , yeah the ED.

andrewparker

7,906 posts

186 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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^^ You're basing your opinion on once looking to buy one?

va1o

16,029 posts

206 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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For what a good Ed 30 costs you can easily buy an early Mk6 GTI, which is what I'd recommend. It has a little more power than a Mk5 and feels a lot more modern so will much better stand the test of time smile

cheddar

4,637 posts

173 months

Saturday 28th March 2015
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ED 30 engine differences, taken from GTI forum:

Larger Turbo from S3 (K04) rather then the K03 on the GTI
87°C thermostat instead of 80°C
Larger capacity fuel injectors (13% higher flow)
Larger intercooler (smaller then the S3) (* danishmkvgti - states that std GTI and ED30 IC are the same size)
Engine block main bearing caps, pedestals are reinforced
Conrods have larger rod bolts and new bearings
Pistons have 21mm gudgeon pins instead of 19mm
Piston top ring is improved
Recirculation Valve (blow off valve) not located on turbo
The Audi S3 and the Edition 30/Pirelli/Seat Leon Cupra R share the same short block, same turbo and similar intercooler.

pad58

12,543 posts

180 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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andrewparker said:
^^ You're basing your opinion on once looking to buy one?
Yes , had a test drive in both a few years ago to upgrade from my Mk4 ,but really needed an estate, dog, grandkids etc.

bga

8,134 posts

250 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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AudiSport said:
Can't comment on the difference between the two, however my MK5 GTI really struggled to put the power down in the wet. If your seriously thinking about increasing the power I would look at an A3/S3 Quattro with the 2.0T. I sold my GTI for a B7 A4 2.0T Quattro and loved it. The engine responded really well to Revo software and became incredibly fast.
I had no problem with traction I'm the wet. My GTi was much better than my SMAX in that respect.

paultownsend

2,229 posts

182 months

Sunday 29th March 2015
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I think the price for that GTI looks high.
My dad had an ED30. A great car. Certainly feels for more special than the standard GTI, but at this age they are going to need some good money spent to get them feeling fresh.

Edited by paultownsend on Sunday 29th March 22:47

macky17

2,210 posts

188 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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I keep telling myself that getting a stage one (ed30) remap is a bad idea despite the impressive bhp/£ gains: unbalancing the car, killing front tyres, highlighting inadequancies of the brakes, etc. I guess what really dissuades me is the thought of the clutch failing a week later. If I'm careful (not booting it from low revs in 6th) is it realistic to hope my clutch would survive the process for a while? Anxious to avoid that slippery slope (pun intended)

pinseeker

144 posts

194 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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macky17 said:
I keep telling myself that getting a stage one (ed30) remap is a bad idea despite the impressive bhp/£ gains: unbalancing the car, killing front tyres, highlighting inadequancies of the brakes, etc. I guess what really dissuades me is the thought of the clutch failing a week later. If I'm careful (not booting it from low revs in 6th) is it realistic to hope my clutch would survive the process for a while? Anxious to avoid that slippery slope (pun intended)
I don't think you need to worry mate. do your research and you'll find very very few horror stories regarding stress on the mechanicals from owners and tuners. if the clutch goes a week later -it needed changing anyhow! I got mine last August and felt the remap made no real difference to the balance of the car. good tyres and wheel balance/alignment ensure the car handles well -which you'd surely have done (or ensure has been done) remap or not? My Goodyear Eagles have been on the car for 11k, 7k since I bought it and the remap done, still 2-3k left on them now so hardly tyre munching and a drain on the pocket. brakes weren't terrible, but rather than go for a big brake upgrade I installed new discs but with ferrodo ds2500 pads which has made a notable difference for only £220 fitted.

just do your standard service history, vehicle/test drive checks and you'll be fine.



pinseeker

144 posts

194 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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have you been on to www.mk5golfgti.co.uk ???

macky17

2,210 posts

188 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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Thanks mate. Yes I'm a member there but haven't visited for a while. I'll do some more research there.

My car does have a white line ALK so that can only be good as well.

Thanks again.

SuperchargedVR6

3,138 posts

219 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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If the clutch in the ED30 is original and has exceeded 80K (beyond half worn in other words), it will most likely slip when it's remapped.

It happened to mine, so I had it replaced with a Helix Autosport clutch, along with a new DMF, and whilst it's a fair bit heavier than standard (a proper knee work out in traffic), it puts all of the torque down to the wheels.

It turned out the original DMF was utterly knackered (it made a loud rumbling noise when taking up the bite in 1st) so the gearbox had to come off anyway.

In general, the ED30 is worth the extra over a GTI for the engine alone, and it's better looking and limited numbers, so will hold it's value better than the GTI.