Volkswagen compensation

[jonah35]

Given the emissions fiddling and given that customers have been polluting more than they thought and doing worse mpg will individual customers get compensation?

Will company car drivers get compensation or will they have to pay out as the car is less 'green' than thought?

[Burwood]

They'll get what they deserve..... Nothing

[jas xjr]

I heard on the radio a couple of days ago that there might be a group action from asthmatics ffs.

What about compensation for those who are traumatized by having to see people using inhalers

[PhantomPH]

Burwood said:

They'll get what they deserve..... Nothing

This.

[93DW]

jonah35 said:

Given the emissions fiddling and given that customers have been polluting more than they thought and doing worse mpg will individual customers get compensation?

Will company car drivers get compensation or will they have to pay out as the car is less 'green' than thought?

Surely as a company car driver, meaning you have no financial interest in the car, you wouldn't expect compensation?

I can see a PPI type scenario all over again.

[PhantomPH]

93DW said:

jonah35 said:

Given the emissions fiddling and given that customers have been polluting more than they thought and doing worse mpg will individual customers get compensation?

Will company car drivers get compensation or will they have to pay out as the car is less 'green' than thought?

Surely as a company car driver, meaning you have no financial interest in the car, you wouldn't expect compensation?

I can see a PPI type scenario all over again.

"Ever been within 30ft of a VW? Then you could be entitled to ££££££s in compensation. Even if you're not sure, text your name and address to 67896 to find out if YOU could be entitled to VWComp"

[Podie]

Didn't owners benefit from cheaper tax as a result?

[AJB88]

Podie said:

Didn't owners benefit from cheaper tax as a result?

This.

[tigger1]

AJB88 said:

Podie said:

Didn't owners benefit from cheaper tax as a result?

This.

Wasn't the software cheating the NOx tests (rather than Carbon Dioxide, which is what decides VED band) - and therefore the correct answer would be "not this"?

As far as compensation is concerned - one big issue at the consumer end is that VW have done something which (potentially/probably) slightly devalues the cars people have bought from them. VW may wish to do something about that...but I doubt it. I can't see end-users clamoring to have things "fixed" on the engine software, because it will likely be detrimental to engine performance (discounting the reduction in NOx emissions that such a fix might bring)

There'll be lawsuits. Lawyers will be the only winners.

[PhantomPH]

tigger1 said:

Wasn't the software cheating the NOx tests (rather than Carbon Dioxide, which is what decides VED band) - and therefore the correct answer would be "not this"?

As far as compensation is concerned - one big issue at the consumer end is that VW have done something which (potentially/probably) slightly devalues the cars people have bought from them. VW may wish to do something about that...but I doubt it. I can't see end-users clamoring to have things "fixed" on the engine software, because it will likely be detrimental to engine performance (discounting the reduction in NOx emissions that such a fix might bring)

There'll be lawsuits. Lawyers will be the only winners.

If you can tell me why this will devalue the car, then I might entertain why people may try for compensation. Nobody knows what the 'fix' will be yet and if VW can 'fix' this without any change to the car's performance or mpg at all, then nobody has a leg to stand on.

If, however, there is a sudden rush of people claiming that they 'only bought the car because of its NOx output', then I am going to cry foul and st on their lawn. I would even consider telling anyone who gets up in arms about (for example) a .1 of a second reduction in the 0-62 time, to shut up and sit down.

None of that really matters tho. There will still be a huge rush of people who want their piece of the compensation pie because they will claim absolutely anything if it means they get a couple of quid in their pocket. It's like all these fkers who scratch a bumper and claim for whiplash.

I simply refuse to accept that anyone buys a diesel car for it's NOx output. MPG? Yes. Relative performance? Probably. NOx? fk off.

[andrewparker]

What will be the basis for these lawsuits? It's nothing to do with economy, so no-one can claim to have been deceived into buying a car that is less economical than stated. No-one has actually lost anything to be compensated for.

[andrewparker]

PhantomPH said:

I simply refuse to accept that anyone buys a diesel car for it's NOx output. MPG? Yes. Relative performance? Probably. NOx? fk off.

I agree. There were a few quotes from owners on the BBC website complaining that they had specifically bought the car because emissions are important to them, and because they were deceived they deserve to be compensated. Should be ashamed of themselves.

[PhantomPH]

andrewparker said:

PhantomPH said:

I simply refuse to accept that anyone buys a diesel car for it's NOx output. MPG? Yes. Relative performance? Probably. NOx? fk off.

I agree. There were a few quotes from owners on the BBC website complaining that they had specifically bought the car because emissions are important to them, and because they were deceived they deserve to be compensated. Should be ashamed of themselves.

I saw those too. People who (on the face of it) should be smart enough to know better than to spout such rubbish at this point in time.

I commented to my wife that media outlets must have a 'knobhead list'. A collection of people they have on file that they know will give then the exact reactionary response that the tone of their article requires.

In fairness, I am looking at the world through my eyes, which are unique to me. When I bought my current car, the salesman said, "The MPG isn't bad on this, either". I looked him in the eye and said, "I couldn't give a st". He laughed (the banter was good anyway). I followed that up by saying, "If I was bothered about MPG, would I be in here buying an S3?", to which he said, "Good point".

My problem really is with the people who seem to think VW have bent them over and given them a stiff one. Nobody knows yet and the reactionary nature (and threads like this one) are ridiculous. If it turns out I lose 10mpg, then yes - I would be a bit annoyed. If my car suddenly has any noticeable downgrade in an area that I consider important to my purchase decision, then perhaps...however if it's just people clamouring for some cash based on fake detriment, then I'm sorry but they should be forced to drive a G-Wizz for the rest of their lives.

EDIT: Whilst I am ranting, it's also worth noting that anyone who believes the MPG figure when buying a car, should be kicked in the vagina and told to stop being so stupid. I have never, ever, EVER owned a car that matched the figures quotes on all sales documentation. EVER!!!

Edited by PhantomPH on Tuesday 29th September 12:39

[sleep envy]

jonah35 said:

Given the emissions fiddling and given that customers have been polluting more than they thought and doing worse mpg will individual customers get compensation?

Will company car drivers get compensation or will they have to pay out as the car is less 'green' than thought?

Have you been mis-sold TDI?

[Alex]

jonah35 said:

Given the emissions fiddling and given that customers have been polluting more than they thought and doing worse mpg will individual customers get compensation?

Customers will be getting better mpg than they thought. If VW is forced to update the NOx emissions map on affected cars permanently, then they will lose power and mpg.

[PhantomPH]

Alex said:

jonah35 said:

Given the emissions fiddling and given that customers have been polluting more than they thought and doing worse mpg will individual customers get compensation?

Customers will be getting better mpg than they thought. If VW is forced to update the NOx emissions map on affected cars permanently, then they will lose power and mpg.

Fine - if the [former] VW head had not already made a public statement saying that MPG would not be affected by this.

From the VW statement: “The software in question does not affect handling, consumption or emissions. This gives clarity to customers and dealers.”

...although 'emissions' seems to be exactly what it DOES affect....so not sure what that's all about.

Edited by PhantomPH on Tuesday 29th September 13:03

[JNW1]

PhantomPH said:

Alex said:

jonah35 said:

Given the emissions fiddling and given that customers have been polluting more than they thought and doing worse mpg will individual customers get compensation?

Customers will be getting better mpg than they thought. If VW is forced to update the NOx emissions map on affected cars permanently, then they will lose power and mpg.

Fine - if the [former] VW head had not already made a public statement saying that MPG would not be affected by this.

From the VW statement: “The software in question does not affect handling, consumption or emissions. This gives clarity to customers and dealers.”

...although 'emissions' seems to be exactly what it DOES affect....so not sure what that's all about.

Edited by PhantomPH on Tuesday 29th September 13:03

The software must affect something as otherwise why bother with it in the first place? The cars have clearly been running in a different mode for approval testing from what they run in road use so is the purpose of these proposed recalls to return the car to "approval mode" and if so will that mean it runs differently (worse) on the road? If so I think if I was an owner of one of the affected vehicles my recall notice would go straight in the bin!

[tigger1]

PhantomPH said:

tigger1 said:

Wasn't the software cheating the NOx tests (rather than Carbon Dioxide, which is what decides VED band) - and therefore the correct answer would be "not this"?

As far as compensation is concerned - one big issue at the consumer end is that VW have done something which (potentially/probably) slightly devalues the cars people have bought from them. VW may wish to do something about that...but I doubt it. I can't see end-users clamoring to have things "fixed" on the engine software, because it will likely be detrimental to engine performance (discounting the reduction in NOx emissions that such a fix might bring)

There'll be lawsuits. Lawyers will be the only winners.

If you can tell me why this will devalue the car, then I might entertain why people may try for compensation. Nobody knows what the 'fix' will be yet and if VW can 'fix' this without any change to the car's performance or mpg at all, then nobody has a leg to stand on.

If, however, there is a sudden rush of people claiming that they 'only bought the car because of its NOx output', then I am going to cry foul and st on their lawn. I would even consider telling anyone who gets up in arms about (for example) a .1 of a second reduction in the 0-62 time, to shut up and sit down.

None of that really matters tho. There will still be a huge rush of people who want their piece of the compensation pie because they will claim absolutely anything if it means they get a couple of quid in their pocket. It's like all these fkers who scratch a bumper and claim for whiplash.

I simply refuse to accept that anyone buys a diesel car for it's NOx output. MPG? Yes. Relative performance? Probably. NOx? fk off.

I think perhaps the internet isn't a good place for you.

I'm not out for compensation - far from it - I just stated what I believe to be the facts as I've understood them.

[PhantomPH]

tigger1 said:

PhantomPH said:

tigger1 said:

Wasn't the software cheating the NOx tests (rather than Carbon Dioxide, which is what decides VED band) - and therefore the correct answer would be "not this"?

As far as compensation is concerned - one big issue at the consumer end is that VW have done something which (potentially/probably) slightly devalues the cars people have bought from them. VW may wish to do something about that...but I doubt it. I can't see end-users clamoring to have things "fixed" on the engine software, because it will likely be detrimental to engine performance (discounting the reduction in NOx emissions that such a fix might bring)

There'll be lawsuits. Lawyers will be the only winners.

If you can tell me why this will devalue the car, then I might entertain why people may try for compensation. Nobody knows what the 'fix' will be yet and if VW can 'fix' this without any change to the car's performance or mpg at all, then nobody has a leg to stand on.

If, however, there is a sudden rush of people claiming that they 'only bought the car because of its NOx output', then I am going to cry foul and st on their lawn. I would even consider telling anyone who gets up in arms about (for example) a .1 of a second reduction in the 0-62 time, to shut up and sit down.

None of that really matters tho. There will still be a huge rush of people who want their piece of the compensation pie because they will claim absolutely anything if it means they get a couple of quid in their pocket. It's like all these fkers who scratch a bumper and claim for whiplash.

I simply refuse to accept that anyone buys a diesel car for it's NOx output. MPG? Yes. Relative performance? Probably. NOx? fk off.

I think perhaps the internet isn't a good place for you.

I'm not out for compensation - far from it - I just stated what I believe to be the facts as I've understood them.

When you say, "The internet" do you just mean in general or just specific aspects? For example, I know that I am not a big fan of WAP but I'm glad that has pretty much gone away. So you are kind of right...but ultimately the interconnected network that is collectively known as 'the internet', is perfect for me, thanks. It pays the bills, that's for sure.

If what you really mean is, "I think your opinion is different to mine and you have voiced your opinion in a way I am not keen on", then that's cool. I would suggest that in that respect 'the internet" (or rather 'certain websites') are not for you.

For clarification on your above post my mini-rant was not aimed at you, but aimed at the entire situation (and me assuming it will go a certain way). Like many things, there is a real honest-to-god issue that has risen here, but it will be drowned out by the loud shouting of the ill-informed and the opportunists. We should be taking this chance to say 'ok - the whole MPG/emissions thing is fundamentally wrong - lets throw it in the bin and create a real set of standards and measures that is a genuine representation of how all vehicles consume and emit', but we won't. VW cars will be Photoshopped with Swastikas in place of their badges and people with pitchforks will not be happy until VW have paid out a fortune - as if money was the resolution to the problem.

[tigger1]

PhantomPH said:

tigger1 said:

PhantomPH said:

tigger1 said:

Wasn't the software cheating the NOx tests (rather than Carbon Dioxide, which is what decides VED band) - and therefore the correct answer would be "not this"?

As far as compensation is concerned - one big issue at the consumer end is that VW have done something which (potentially/probably) slightly devalues the cars people have bought from them. VW may wish to do something about that...but I doubt it. I can't see end-users clamoring to have things "fixed" on the engine software, because it will likely be detrimental to engine performance (discounting the reduction in NOx emissions that such a fix might bring)

There'll be lawsuits. Lawyers will be the only winners.

If you can tell me why this will devalue the car, then I might entertain why people may try for compensation. Nobody knows what the 'fix' will be yet and if VW can 'fix' this without any change to the car's performance or mpg at all, then nobody has a leg to stand on.

If, however, there is a sudden rush of people claiming that they 'only bought the car because of its NOx output', then I am going to cry foul and st on their lawn. I would even consider telling anyone who gets up in arms about (for example) a .1 of a second reduction in the 0-62 time, to shut up and sit down.

None of that really matters tho. There will still be a huge rush of people who want their piece of the compensation pie because they will claim absolutely anything if it means they get a couple of quid in their pocket. It's like all these fkers who scratch a bumper and claim for whiplash.

I simply refuse to accept that anyone buys a diesel car for it's NOx output. MPG? Yes. Relative performance? Probably. NOx? fk off.

I think perhaps the internet isn't a good place for you.

I'm not out for compensation - far from it - I just stated what I believe to be the facts as I've understood them.

When you say, "The internet" do you just mean in general or just specific aspects? For example, I know that I am not a big fan of WAP but I'm glad that has pretty much gone away. So you are kind of right...but ultimately the interconnected network that is collectively known as 'the internet', is perfect for me, thanks. It pays the bills, that's for sure.

If what you really mean is, "I think your opinion is different to mine and you have voiced your opinion in a way I am not keen on", then that's cool. I would suggest that in that respect 'the internet" (or rather 'certain websites') are not for you.

For clarification on your above post my mini-rant was not aimed at you, but aimed at the entire situation (and me assuming it will go a certain way). Like many things, there is a real honest-to-god issue that has risen here, but it will be drowned out by the loud shouting of the ill-informed and the opportunists. We should be taking this chance to say 'ok - the whole MPG/emissions thing is fundamentally wrong - lets throw it in the bin and create a real set of standards and measures that is a genuine representation of how all vehicles consume and emit', but we won't. VW cars will be Photoshopped with Swastikas in place of their badges and people with pitchforks will not be happy until VW have paid out a fortune - as if money was the resolution to the problem.

I took it as aimed at me, but am quite ok with people having a differing view to me.

So, all good. Let's get back to topic

You're right though - let's throw the emmissions stuff in the bin, and tax fuel some more.