Volkswagen compensation
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No, they haven't. (imo) 
I have a Scirocco CR170. I am not sure if it's "affected" - I don't care. As I do not have any of the emissions crap on it.
I bought a diesel (I had a Mk5 GTI before hand) because I was doing massive miles (about 50k a year) and it was not really worth while running a petrol.
Economy mattered. Figures as such don't. It did 50-somethingth MPG so that was fine for me.
No-one believes the quoted figure on the EU tests. EVERY single car COMPLETELY FAILS to get anywhere close to the stated numbers in the EU tests.
I believe the same "software" on the EU cars effects NOX not C02. I have not seen any proof of actual CO2 cheating. Nox and Co2 are very very different and are not at all related.
I have a Scirocco CR170. I am not sure if it's "affected" - I don't care. As I do not have any of the emissions crap on it.
I bought a diesel (I had a Mk5 GTI before hand) because I was doing massive miles (about 50k a year) and it was not really worth while running a petrol.
Economy mattered. Figures as such don't. It did 50-somethingth MPG so that was fine for me.
No-one believes the quoted figure on the EU tests. EVERY single car COMPLETELY FAILS to get anywhere close to the stated numbers in the EU tests.
I believe the same "software" on the EU cars effects NOX not C02. I have not seen any proof of actual CO2 cheating. Nox and Co2 are very very different and are not at all related.
xjay1337 said:
Hahahhahaah
This is a funny thread.
Who actually cares about nox emissions.. no-one.
So many people on the news "I bought my vw tdi because of the emissions".
no you f**king didn't.
Move along.
Like vultures at a corpse in the desert.
this was america pushing out European diesel competition. because the vag TDI's are good economical and powerful engines
the american ones are terrible.
if "VW" was replaced with "gm" this would not be a story and would have been buried.
That's a funny post. The complaints on this thread is not actually about the NOx emissions but instead about how VAG will compensate the owners of their vehicles for any reductions in vehicle value or reductions in performance/mpg that may have to be made. This is a funny thread.
Who actually cares about nox emissions.. no-one.
So many people on the news "I bought my vw tdi because of the emissions".
no you f**king didn't.
Move along.
Like vultures at a corpse in the desert.
this was america pushing out European diesel competition. because the vag TDI's are good economical and powerful engines
the american ones are terrible.
if "VW" was replaced with "gm" this would not be a story and would have been buried.
I assume you are not a VAG EU5 owner, or if you are, that you don't care about what effects this may have on your vehicle. However, many people do and legitimately so.
I dont care about emissions but I do care about MPG, why else would I buy a 1.6 diesel.
Everyone knows MPG tests dont reflect the real world, but at least there is parity between makes if the test is not being cheated like VW did!
It seems that changes are likely to reduce MPG. My car is a lease car owned by VWFS. Can they force me to take it in for changes under the recall?
Everyone knows MPG tests dont reflect the real world, but at least there is parity between makes if the test is not being cheated like VW did!
It seems that changes are likely to reduce MPG. My car is a lease car owned by VWFS. Can they force me to take it in for changes under the recall?
covmutley said:
I dont care about emissions but I do care about MPG, why else would I buy a 1.6 diesel.
Everyone knows MPG tests dont reflect the real world, but at least there is parity between makes if the test is not being cheated like VW did!
It seems that changes are likely to reduce MPG. My car is a lease car owned by VWFS. Can they force me to take it in for changes under the recall?
I'm in this boat too. Currently leaning towards ignoring the recall if it's likely MPG or BHP is affected...Everyone knows MPG tests dont reflect the real world, but at least there is parity between makes if the test is not being cheated like VW did!
It seems that changes are likely to reduce MPG. My car is a lease car owned by VWFS. Can they force me to take it in for changes under the recall?
My Passat 1.6 tdi (12/2013) was valued by we buy any car on 19/09 at £10900 ( I was getting an idea what its worth as I have a new car on order.)
Out of interest I did another valuation with we buy any car on 12/10 same mileage. Value £10375.
So in just over 3 weeks , my VW has lost £525.
At this age it would normally lose £200 a month.
Out of interest I did another valuation with we buy any car on 12/10 same mileage. Value £10375.
So in just over 3 weeks , my VW has lost £525.
At this age it would normally lose £200 a month.
Duncan McKay said:
That's a funny post. The complaints on this thread is not actually about the NOx emissions but instead about how VAG will compensate the owners of their vehicles for any reductions in vehicle value or reductions in performance/mpg that may have to be made.
I assume you are not a VAG EU5 owner, or if you are, that you don't care about what effects this may have on your vehicle. However, many people do and legitimately so.
I actually am an owner.I assume you are not a VAG EU5 owner, or if you are, that you don't care about what effects this may have on your vehicle. However, many people do and legitimately so.
And I don't care.
I don't think people care. I think people just want to whinge and complain.
Assuming you don't take your vehicle back then it's no different to how you bought it.
Performance, MPG all the same.
A test video I saw showed a CR140 making 138bhp and 238lb ft WITH the "software" enabled. Which is what the quoted power is
Without the software in place it did 138bhp and 265lb ft. Which is more than the stated power.
I don't see the issue.
Stevemr said:
My Passat 1.6 tdi (12/2013) was valued by we buy any car on 19/09 at £10900 ( I was getting an idea what its worth as I have a new car on order.)
Out of interest I did another valuation with we buy any car on 12/10 same mileage. Value £10375.
So in just over 3 weeks , my VW has lost £525.
At this age it would normally lose £200 a month.
Well that's the science bit covered for everybodyOut of interest I did another valuation with we buy any car on 12/10 same mileage. Value £10375.
So in just over 3 weeks , my VW has lost £525.
At this age it would normally lose £200 a month.
I've just had a letter from Audi confirming I have a filthy TDi. After reading the letter I failed to find any apology at all and subsequently searched to find at least one law firm Slater & Gordon are taking provisional details from interested owners who may have a case for compensation.
A couple of things about this bother me. Firstly as others have said if the promised fix results in a reduced performance or increased fuel consumption because the company deliberately tried to cheat tests and potential owners then I would feel some financial compensation is appropriate, especially as it will likely affect resale values. Under the law this might not be the case and I'd simply not buy another VAG stable product.
Secondly I don't care about CO2 values because I'm not convinced they are anything other than a conveniently taxable emission, however I do care about NOx emissions. I steered clear of diesels for years but in the last 5 years I've had a few based on the promise that the technology has drastically improved diesel emissions of NOx's and my mileage justified the extra cost due to improved consumption.
The way VAG are approaching this seems the opposite of the contrite approach Toyota took in the USA. I'm sure most VAG employees were unaware of the issue but if they don't make some serious gesture to return the feel good factor of ownership then I'll be back to Jaguar or BMW in16 months time.
A couple of things about this bother me. Firstly as others have said if the promised fix results in a reduced performance or increased fuel consumption because the company deliberately tried to cheat tests and potential owners then I would feel some financial compensation is appropriate, especially as it will likely affect resale values. Under the law this might not be the case and I'd simply not buy another VAG stable product.
Secondly I don't care about CO2 values because I'm not convinced they are anything other than a conveniently taxable emission, however I do care about NOx emissions. I steered clear of diesels for years but in the last 5 years I've had a few based on the promise that the technology has drastically improved diesel emissions of NOx's and my mileage justified the extra cost due to improved consumption.
The way VAG are approaching this seems the opposite of the contrite approach Toyota took in the USA. I'm sure most VAG employees were unaware of the issue but if they don't make some serious gesture to return the feel good factor of ownership then I'll be back to Jaguar or BMW in16 months time.
brenflys777 said:
I've just had a letter from Audi confirming I have a filthy TDi. After reading the letter I failed to find any apology at all and subsequently searched to find at least one law firm Slater & Gordon are taking provisional details from interested owners who may have a case for compensation.
A couple of things about this bother me. Firstly as others have said if the promised fix results in a reduced performance or increased fuel consumption because the company deliberately tried to cheat tests and potential owners then I would feel some financial compensation is appropriate, especially as it will likely affect resale values. Under the law this might not be the case and I'd simply not buy another VAG stable product.
Secondly I don't care about CO2 values because I'm not convinced they are anything other than a conveniently taxable emission, however I do care about NOx emissions. I steered clear of diesels for years but in the last 5 years I've had a few based on the promise that the technology has drastically improved diesel emissions of NOx's and my mileage justified the extra cost due to improved consumption.
The way VAG are approaching this seems the opposite of the contrite approach Toyota took in the USA. I'm sure most VAG employees were unaware of the issue but if they don't make some serious gesture to return the feel good factor of ownership then I'll be back to Jaguar or BMW in16 months time.
Fixes? (elephant in the room time) Downward spiral more like. A couple of things about this bother me. Firstly as others have said if the promised fix results in a reduced performance or increased fuel consumption because the company deliberately tried to cheat tests and potential owners then I would feel some financial compensation is appropriate, especially as it will likely affect resale values. Under the law this might not be the case and I'd simply not buy another VAG stable product.
Secondly I don't care about CO2 values because I'm not convinced they are anything other than a conveniently taxable emission, however I do care about NOx emissions. I steered clear of diesels for years but in the last 5 years I've had a few based on the promise that the technology has drastically improved diesel emissions of NOx's and my mileage justified the extra cost due to improved consumption.
The way VAG are approaching this seems the opposite of the contrite approach Toyota took in the USA. I'm sure most VAG employees were unaware of the issue but if they don't make some serious gesture to return the feel good factor of ownership then I'll be back to Jaguar or BMW in16 months time.
Take a vote on the future, after the ‘fixes’. Hands up those that’re happier?
If all it took was a few months of concerted effort it would have been accomplished before.
A cynic might see a survival strategy unfolding (as it inevitably does). Lock as much down as you possibly can in ‘legals’ (ie, delay, forever) and carry on regardless.
This will play out for a looooong time.
xjay1337 said:
I actually am an owner.
And I don't care.
I don't think people care. I think people just want to whinge and complain.
Assuming you don't take your vehicle back then it's no different to how you bought it.
Performance, MPG all the same.
A test video I saw showed a CR140 making 138bhp and 238lb ft WITH the "software" enabled. Which is what the quoted power is
Without the software in place it did 138bhp and 265lb ft. Which is more than the stated power.
I don't see the issue.
That's great. But what if that all arrives in a huge spike, and for the rest of the power curve you have half that, instead of the nice even spread you have now, thus reducing the drive ability of your car? FWIW I think a Scirocco CR170 IS affected!And I don't care.
I don't think people care. I think people just want to whinge and complain.
Assuming you don't take your vehicle back then it's no different to how you bought it.
Performance, MPG all the same.
A test video I saw showed a CR140 making 138bhp and 238lb ft WITH the "software" enabled. Which is what the quoted power is
Without the software in place it did 138bhp and 265lb ft. Which is more than the stated power.
I don't see the issue.
I bought my A3 170 based on fuel consumption and power/performance. If the fix becomes mandatory, as per Germany, and the car loses say 5 mpg and 10% of it's power, then it's an issue. If nothing changes then no worries.
It's very different in the US as the cars affected have now been deemed illegal in some states, so owners can't sell them while this rolls on. VW could well end up having to buy back the US vehicles.
It's very different in the US as the cars affected have now been deemed illegal in some states, so owners can't sell them while this rolls on. VW could well end up having to buy back the US vehicles.
Stevemr said:
My Passat 1.6 tdi (12/2013) was valued by we buy any car on 19/09 at £10900 ( I was getting an idea what its worth as I have a new car on order.)
Out of interest I did another valuation with we buy any car on 12/10 same mileage. Value £10375.
So in just over 3 weeks , my VW has lost £525.
At this age it would normally lose £200 a month.
Well, I wanted to sell my car (Audi petrol) a few weeks ago and went back and back to WBAC over a period of four weeks while I looked some cars. In the end I didn't see a car I really wanted, but importantly I saw the value go up and down and back up and by around £450. No idea why but there you are.Out of interest I did another valuation with we buy any car on 12/10 same mileage. Value £10375.
So in just over 3 weeks , my VW has lost £525.
At this age it would normally lose £200 a month.
So your example means absolutely nothing to me.
Edited by rongagin on Sunday 18th October 22:13
If you want compensation then I'd suggest taking your vw to a lab and getting its power, emissions and mpg measured pre recall changes and post recall changes. I'd suggest getting regular valuations from say 3 weeks ago and then regularly until your claim is placed / heard. Track these against the wider car valuation market etc.
Then you may have a claim.
Then you may have a claim.
Mistrale said:
That's great. But what if that all arrives in a huge spike, and for the rest of the power curve you have half that, instead of the nice even spread you have now, thus reducing the drive ability of your car? FWIW I think a Scirocco CR170 IS affected!
I never said my car wasn't effected.Infact I think I said before that mine was part of the cull. And that I don't care.
I have completely bespokely written ECU software on my car, on account of the fact I have got a large turbo, intake and exhaust mods instead of a standard car. so it's not going back to VW irrespective of what they want. Ergo it makes no difference to me.
If my car was standard and I took it back, then I wouldn't be bothered in the slightest. I'd probably get a nice courtesy car for a few days and I wouldn't be surprised if they offered a free service as well.
no difference to me.
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