The Cupra (Black) Lease thread

The Cupra (Black) Lease thread

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Joeseppi

328 posts

99 months

Friday 20th January 2017
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nunpuncher said:
The n55 engine in the m135i is incredibly smooth and the zf8 box also very smooth so it's no wonder your good lady is finding it a bit rough.

On the flip side. I agree with you about preferring the drive in the cupra. As MOBB said, I also found the handling and especially the steering in the m135i scarily crap.

I'm really enjoying how much the cupra likes the corners. It's definitely better than the golf r in that regard.
Agreed mate. My mates M235i is super smooth and lightning bolt quick but it was difficult to slow it down and felt really heavy at the front. The harder I braked the less feel it had. Fit and finish is miles better than our Cupra's but so it should be, it's way more expensive. Brakes on the Cupra are fantastic, very responsive!

AJB88

12,404 posts

171 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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For anybody who's bothered I have just posted up a readers ride for my APR Stage 2 Cupra 280

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

hab1966

1,097 posts

212 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Jacko_ said:
Is the soundaktor under the scuttle panel like is it on the golfs?

I think I've found it, right in the middle of the scuttle, bolted to the chassis with a small grey connector. Fiddly, but easy enough to do.

Test drive in a bit to see how she sounds now.

Edited by Jacko_ on Thursday 22 December 10:52
I went looking for mine last night. It's in the area infront of the driver where the wiper gear is (is this the scuttle box?). You can actually see it through the circular cut outs (vents). I needed to take two clips out and then lift some foam type material on the driver side where it meets the body work, to reveal another pin that needs removing. After than you can slide a hand under and remove the connector.

I just need to find time outside of the commute, to see what the difference is.

Jonno02

2,246 posts

109 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Someone had posted, multiple pages back, that they had an undiagnosed rattle in the rear. At first they thought it was the drivers rear door-card, but after inspection realised it wasn't and couldn't locate it.

You may have had the same rattle as me. Like a semi-vibrational rattle after hitting a bump on the road. Sounds like it's coming from the driver or passengers seat or the back seats. I have finally tracked mine down to the hatch between the boot at the back seats. The arm rest and cupholders are fine, it's the actual thin plastic hatch. I couldn't replicate the rattle by moving the panel by hand, hence why it took so long to locate.

After a few minutes of trying to pad out the clamps and the side of the panel when open, I realised these retract when you want to put it back in place and the padding falls off, but now I have managed to fix it.

Fold down the back seats. Between the seat cutout and the small hatch there is a gap. Fold up some kitchen roll and force it into the gap with a sharp knife. I probably used about 2 sheets of kitchen roll, torn into 4 or 5 strips and folded up tightly. If you open the hatch, you'll need to re-do this.

I am now rattle free. Might help someone.

StarmistBlue400

3,029 posts

218 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Jonno02 said:
Someone had posted, multiple pages back, that they had an undiagnosed rattle in the rear. At first they thought it was the drivers rear door-card, but after inspection realised it wasn't and couldn't locate it.

You may have had the same rattle as me. Like a semi-vibrational rattle after hitting a bump on the road. Sounds like it's coming from the driver or passengers seat or the back seats. I have finally tracked mine down to the hatch between the boot at the back seats. The arm rest and cupholders are fine, it's the actual thin plastic hatch. I couldn't replicate the rattle by moving the panel by hand, hence why it took so long to locate.

After a few minutes of trying to pad out the clamps and the side of the panel when open, I realised these retract when you want to put it back in place and the padding falls off, but now I have managed to fix it.

Fold down the back seats. Between the seat cutout and the small hatch there is a gap. Fold up some kitchen roll and force it into the gap with a sharp knife. I probably used about 2 sheets of kitchen roll, torn into 4 or 5 strips and folded up tightly. If you open the hatch, you'll need to re-do this.

I am now rattle free. Might help someone.
Mine is really doing my head in now.

Its around the binnacle / steering wheel area and no matter where I press it wont go away. It is also more of a vibration rather than a rattle. I guess I will have to take it to a dealer and take them out with me. I would rather that than some oink ragging it

Jonno02

2,246 posts

109 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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StarmistBlue400 said:
Mine is really doing my head in now.

Its around the binnacle / steering wheel area and no matter where I press it wont go away. It is also more of a vibration rather than a rattle. I guess I will have to take it to a dealer and take them out with me. I would rather that than some oink ragging it
I'd take anything to do with console/steering wheel to a dealer.

sumo69

2,164 posts

220 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Jonno02 said:
Someone had posted, multiple pages back, that they had an undiagnosed rattle in the rear. At first they thought it was the drivers rear door-card, but after inspection realised it wasn't and couldn't locate it.

You may have had the same rattle as me. Like a semi-vibrational rattle after hitting a bump on the road. Sounds like it's coming from the driver or passengers seat or the back seats. I have finally tracked mine down to the hatch between the boot at the back seats. The arm rest and cupholders are fine, it's the actual thin plastic hatch. I couldn't replicate the rattle by moving the panel by hand, hence why it took so long to locate.

After a few minutes of trying to pad out the clamps and the side of the panel when open, I realised these retract when you want to put it back in place and the padding falls off, but now I have managed to fix it.

Fold down the back seats. Between the seat cutout and the small hatch there is a gap. Fold up some kitchen roll and force it into the gap with a sharp knife. I probably used about 2 sheets of kitchen roll, torn into 4 or 5 strips and folded up tightly. If you open the hatch, you'll need to re-do this.

I am now rattle free. Might help someone.
I have this exact rattle, brought on by putting my kids Recaro's in the back as the BMW X% is getting some TLC. If it doesn't go when the kiddie seats get removed, I will be giving this a go.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Jonno02

2,246 posts

109 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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sumo69 said:
I have this exact rattle, brought on by putting my kids Recaro's in the back as the BMW X% is getting some TLC. If it doesn't go when the kiddie seats get removed, I will be giving this a go.

Thanks for the heads-up!
Now that one is gone, I have another!

Sounds like it's coming through the floor pan though, it's it's going to a dealers next Wednesday.

Joeseppi

328 posts

99 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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sumo69 said:
I have this exact rattle, brought on by putting my kids Recaro's in the back as the BMW X% is getting some TLC. If it doesn't go when the kiddie seats get removed, I will be giving this a go.

Thanks for the heads-up!
You'll just have to sell the kids Dave. Problem solved idea

NeoVR

435 posts

171 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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Jonno02 said:
Now that one is gone, I have another!

Sounds like it's coming through the floor pan though, it's it's going to a dealers next Wednesday.
Let us know how you get on - my door cards are getting progressively worse/more annoying - as is the wind noise as its been colder.

2pad

249 posts

151 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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Just had to replace my first tyre after the grand sum of 2000 miles. Hit a broken coil spring on a roundabout and it popped the nearside rear instantly. mad

Jonno02

2,246 posts

109 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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NeoVR said:
Let us know how you get on - my door cards are getting progressively worse/more annoying - as is the wind noise as its been colder.
Will do. Door cards are a known issue that will be replaced under warranty. Most 290's seem to have them fixed, was a major issue on the 265's and 280's though.

Out again last night with the mrs driving, my ear in against the floor pan in the back. Definitely something lose under the car.

J4CKO

41,543 posts

200 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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Been reading about these and had a couple of questions, well statements, can you correct me if my facts arent straight ?

Am I right in saying the Cupra is basically a golf GTI PP with a Golf R engine ?

Less traction than a Golf R but also a bit lighter ?

Has the fancy diff so the traction thing isnt quite the issue it may have been.

Interior a lot better than old Leons but not as nice as a Golf or A3 ?

Less on the radar of scrotes than the Golf R

Currently "inbetween models" and will go from the 290 to the 300 but effectively its a marketing thing, same engine give or take minor mapping differeces.

The estate version will be 4wd, hatch will remain fwd

remaps to between 350 and 375 bhp for £500 or so

Cheaper, seem to be available for 22k ish with brokers but will need to wait to see what they can do with the new model.

On a PCP with say seven grand down, would be 200 a month for 3 years with an 11k final payment or thereabouts

VED is £185

280 and 290 are the same engine, 265 is a different specification and as such wont remap to the same power output as the other two.

Fuel economy, not great but better than a 5.5 litre Merc.





Edited by J4CKO on Thursday 26th January 13:07

LocoBlade

7,622 posts

256 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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Try lifting the binnacle surround at the bottom, the bit that bridges over the steering column. That intermittently rattled/creaked on our 2015 FR which the dealer rectified at the first service.

StarmistBlue400 said:
Mine is really doing my head in now.

Its around the binnacle / steering wheel area and no matter where I press it wont go away. It is also more of a vibration rather than a rattle. I guess I will have to take it to a dealer and take them out with me. I would rather that than some oink ragging it

Joeseppi

328 posts

99 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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J4CKO said:
Been reading about these and had a couple of questions, well statements, can you correct me if my facts arent straight ?

Am I right in saying the Cupra is basically a golf GTI PP with a Golf R engine ?

Less traction than a Golf R but also a bit lighter ?

Has the fancy diff so the traction thing isnt quite the issue it may have been.

Interior a lot better than old Leons but not as nice as a Golf or A3 ?

Less on the radar of scrotes than the Golf R

Currently "inbetween models" and will go from the 290 to the 300 but effectively its a marketing thing, same engine give or take minor mapping differeces.

The estate version will be 4wd, hatch will remain fwd

remaps to between 350 and 375 bhp for £500 or so

Cheaper, seem to be available for 22k ish with brokers but will need to wait to see what they can do with the new model.

On a PCP with say seven grand down, would be 200 a month for 3 years with an 11k final payment or thereabouts

VED is £185

280 and 290 are the same engine, 265 is a different specification and as such wont remap to the same power output as the other two.

Fuel economy, not great but better than a 5.5 litre Merc.





Edited by J4CKO on Thursday 26th January 13:07
Hi J4CKO, yeah I tend to agree with what you say. I got mine in November and its got 2000 miles on it so I've driven it enough to comment on what its like to live with. A mate had a golf r and the lad across the road has a S3 and they definitely have a premium feel to them compared to the cupras but they do cost a lot less to buy/lease.

I've seen you on the main lease thread, J4CKO. Are you thinking about getting one?

J4CKO

41,543 posts

200 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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Joeseppi said:
J4CKO said:
Been reading about these and had a couple of questions, well statements, can you correct me if my facts arent straight ?

Am I right in saying the Cupra is basically a golf GTI PP with a Golf R engine ?

Less traction than a Golf R but also a bit lighter ?

Has the fancy diff so the traction thing isnt quite the issue it may have been.

Interior a lot better than old Leons but not as nice as a Golf or A3 ?

Less on the radar of scrotes than the Golf R

Currently "inbetween models" and will go from the 290 to the 300 but effectively its a marketing thing, same engine give or take minor mapping differeces.

The estate version will be 4wd, hatch will remain fwd

remaps to between 350 and 375 bhp for £500 or so

Cheaper, seem to be available for 22k ish with brokers but will need to wait to see what they can do with the new model.

On a PCP with say seven grand down, would be 200 a month for 3 years with an 11k final payment or thereabouts

VED is £185

280 and 290 are the same engine, 265 is a different specification and as such wont remap to the same power output as the other two.

Fuel economy, not great but better than a 5.5 litre Merc.





Edited by J4CKO on Thursday 26th January 13:07
Hi J4CKO, yeah I tend to agree with what you say. I got mine in November and its got 2000 miles on it so I've driven it enough to comment on what its like to live with. A mate had a golf r and the lad across the road has a S3 and they definitely have a premium feel to them compared to the cupras but they do cost a lot less to buy/lease.

I've seen you on the main lease thread, J4CKO. Are you thinking about getting one?
Not just yet, currently have a nine year old CLS 500, which I love but I want to have a new car at some point and it
needs to be quick, be fairly under the radar theft wise and not hugely expensive.

Not really taken much notice of the Cupras since the original R but they seem good value for the performance on offer and I do like a remap.

Need a 5 door with decent space, the 135/140i looks good but not sure the rear seats are big enough.

Golf R seems a bit too much of a theft risk

Octavia VRS a bit down on power



You look at all of them secondhand prices tend to be a stones throw from a new one from a broker so why bother with nearly new, dont really want to lease as it would be a fairly long term thing, so PCP looks best, got six grand in the Merc, plus save a little gets a decent deposit, can afford £200 a month fairly comfortablyand then worry about the balloon three years down the line.

VED would be 15 ish rather than 45 for the Merc, would perhaps save £20 on fuel, not MOT for three or four years, everything brand new and warranty so little in the way of costs, just a service for three years until the warranty ends. So probably £50 a month cheaper, so have to find £150 or a bit more for a £200 a month payment and it starts to add up.

Just got some building work to pay for, get that out of the way and then might go for it.

Looked at company cars, so expensive to own a Golf GTD I dont really want, this costs less and is more my kind of thing and I wouldnt be as concerned about the doors being smashed down to get the keys like with a Golf R.

Jonno02

2,246 posts

109 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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J4CKO said:
Been reading about these and had a couple of questions, well statements, can you correct me if my facts arent straight ?

Am I right in saying the Cupra is basically a golf GTI PP with a Golf R engine ? Basically a Golf R with FWD

Less traction than a Golf R but also a bit lighter ? Pretty much. Good bit lighter, but you need to be careful on the GO pedal from still

Has the fancy diff so the traction thing isnt quite the issue it may have been. If you have it turned on. You can turn it off in certain modes

Interior a lot better than old Leons but not as nice as a Golf or A3 ? Identical to the Golf. I drive both. Layout in the Cupra is better; in the Golf if you want to look at the screen, it 's further down the console so you don't see as much of the road

Less on the radar of scrotes than the Golf R From posts on PH, I'd say so. Not as desirable

Currently "inbetween models" and will go from the 290 to the 300 but effectively its a marketing thing, same engine give or take minor mapping differeces. Same everything really. The 280's were making north of 300 BHP, the 290 is the same.

The estate version will be 4wd, hatch will remain fwd So far so true...I think

remaps to between 350 and 375 bhp for £500 or so There's a few knocking about the 450-500 mark with uprated cooling etc. If it's possible on the R, it's the same on Cupra. Same map.

Cheaper, seem to be available for 22k ish with brokers but will need to wait to see what they can do with the new model. Deals on the 300 don't look as good as the 290, but still decent VFM

On a PCP with say seven grand down, would be 200 a month for 3 years with an 11k final payment or thereabouts I wouldn't buy. I'd lease. Those figures are insane.

VED is £185

280 and 290 are the same engine, 265 is a different specification and as such wont remap to the same power output as the other two.

Fuel economy, not great but better than a 5.5 litre Merc. Averaging around 25-30mpg with mixed driving for me





Edited by J4CKO on Thursday 26th January 13:07

sumo69

2,164 posts

220 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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I have just done my first 1k of mileage - averaging 21.5mpg so far!!!! Thats 3mpg down on the Golf R.

Re questions above, the facelift will be manual FWD in 3 and 5 door hatch types, but the ST is available in manual FWD and DSG 4motion (like the Golf R estate).

I have a Tuning Box to put on mine once the weather improves - it should make 350-360bhp on the most aggressive settings. A decent remap may get 375-380bhp but on lease I need to ensure the TD1 code is avoided.

David

nunpuncher

3,384 posts

125 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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Am I right in saying the Cupra is basically a golf GTI PP with a Golf R engine ?
pretty much. The driver profiles vary from the golfs, I find cupra mode is far stiffer and more responsive than the Golfs race mode and the cupra has adaptive dampers as standard unlike the golf gti pp

Less traction than a Golf R but also a bit lighter ?
like for like I believe there's only about 20kg in it. To drive the cupra does feel lighter than my R. The steering feels lighter and the slightly higher bucket seats give the feeling of a smaller car. Traction in the R is never an issue, not so in the cupra.

Has the fancy diff so the traction thing isnt quite the issue it may have been.
the diff helps more with lateral grip than traction. In traction terms it limits torque steer to practically non existent but it won't stop wheel spin/hop. The VAQ mechanical diff gives a sensation of much better lateral grip than the Rs haldex 4wd with XDS brake based system. My R would understeer where my cupra just seems to bite hard into the corner

Interior a lot better than old Leons but not as nice as a Golf or A3 ?
yeah, not as nice. It's solid enough inside and many of the parts are the same as the golf. It's the little extra touches if material that are missing along with things like no spring loaded grips in the cup holders, no roller blind type cover over the holders, no soft eject door on the centre cover. I'd say equally well built but furnished to a lower price point

Less on the radar of scrotes than the Golf R
definitely. But interestingly I've had more comments from people regarding the cupra. Possibly the colour

VED is £185
not sure how cars post April will fare

Fuel economy, not great but better than a 5.5 litre Merc.
similar to sumo, my fuel economy seems to be slightly worse than the R was. I'm averaging about 28 doing short town journeys. Longer runs including motorway average about 33


ib170

152 posts

93 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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Just checked service info for first time on the car after 60 days and 900 miles ownership. Would normally have done a fair bit more mileage if it wasn't for Christmas period and a 3 week holiday. Oil service is currently showing as needed in 230 days which doesn't seem right to me.

Did anybody notice how many days their car was showing when they got it?

Also, how do you tell if car has been set to fixed or variable servicing?

Thanks