The S5 lease thread

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gatdecore

132 posts

91 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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audia530tdi said:
Ive just rang Sheffield Audi direct and managed to update my spec to add flat bottom steering wheel, virtual cockpit and BO sound system to pay for separately. She was fine with that and confirmed no change to build date.

Key lesson here - dont ask broker to amend as they'll tell you porkies. Go direct to dealer. Thanks to simonwhite2000 for that tip!
My dealer said (via email....) that it's too late, when is your build date?

simonbamg

767 posts

124 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Just got an email from fleetsauce, looks like my order (sportback) won't be here till may/June according to Audi and I will be charged the extra VED, neither are any good for me... very annoying

JetskiJezz

662 posts

137 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Just have a very long email from fleet source after chasing them twice in the last 24 hours to ask for an update.It looks to be a generic email, so suspect some of you may be receiving the same thing as me.

It basically said that S5 volumes initially placed huge constraint on allocation and therefore this has led to extended lead time. Apparently Audi are waiting for further allocation which will not be available until February 2017. They go on to say that the average estimated lead time of ALL orders is May/June 2017.

To add insult to injury, in the same email they have also said that the increase in road fund licence WILL ( with an emphasis on the word will) my agreement. They have estimated that the increasing cost will be between £15 and £20. this is frustrating as I spoke to them on the phone when I thought the car might be delayed and was told that it wouldn't affect me.
I also checked my signed customer order form and under road fund licence it simply said included and then the word yes - there was no comment about the cost was included, so I'm struggling to work out if they can actually charge any more as the paperwork was signed. I'm going to read it in a bit more detail, I suspect there might be something that gives them some sort of get out clause somewhere in the small print.

JetskiJezz

662 posts

137 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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simonbamg said:
Just got an email from fleetsauce, looks like my order (sportback) won't be here till may/June according to Audi and I will be charged the extra VED, neither are any good for me... very annoying
You beat me to it, I was just writing my post to say the same thing.

I suspect they will have quite a few frustrated customers emails today.

Edited by JetskiJezz on Tuesday 24th January 14:51

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Basically as I understood the contract, they can increase the price before the car is delivered, but you can cancel at that point. How many people will cancel is another thing altogether.

JetskiJezz

662 posts

137 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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TomScrut said:
Basically as I understood the contract, they can increase the price before the car is delivered, but you can cancel at that point. How many people will cancel is another thing altogether.
Having just looked through the fleet source terms and conditions it does seem that you are right with your understanding. There is definitely something that says that the supplier can vary the price of the product at any time prior to supply of the product, but that the customer then has a right to cancel/terminate the order.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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JetskiJezz said:
Having just looked through the fleet source terms and conditions it does seem that you are right with your understanding. There is definitely something that says that the supplier can vary the price of the product at any time prior to supply of the product, but that the customer then has a right to cancel/terminate the order.
When all is said and done, the VED thing is out of their hands, although I think they could have been a bit more restrictive with the deal or something so its kind of their fault they oversold. Then I might not have got one though.....

JetskiJezz

662 posts

137 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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TomScrut said:
JetskiJezz said:
Having just looked through the fleet source terms and conditions it does seem that you are right with your understanding. There is definitely something that says that the supplier can vary the price of the product at any time prior to supply of the product, but that the customer then has a right to cancel/terminate the order.
When all is said and done, the VED thing is out of their hands, although I think they could have been a bit more restrictive with the deal or something so its kind of their fault they oversold. Then I might not have got one though.....
I have just assumed that there was a limited amount of the S5's that were being offered at the original price and once they have the quota signed up for the deal with stop.. I also assume, because the deal was in my opinion really good that it was based on trying to fill up all the books and keep the factory process running whilst the new shape car gained traction and started to fill up all the books through the normal main dealer channels. I would have thought that is where most of these "bargain" type offers tend to come from but it's not my area of expertise.

Now seriously trying to work out what I want to do, part of me thinks just stick with it, but a small part of me is saying cancel it and go and buy something instead. I certainly haven't spotted anything that might be interesting in terms of current lease deals.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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JetskiJezz said:
I have just assumed that there was a limited amount of the S5's that were being offered at the original price and once they have the quota signed up for the deal with stop.. I also assume, because the deal was in my opinion really good that it was based on trying to fill up all the books and keep the factory process running whilst the new shape car gained traction and started to fill up all the books through the normal main dealer channels. I would have thought that is where most of these "bargain" type offers tend to come from but it's not my area of expertise.

Now seriously trying to work out what I want to do, part of me thinks just stick with it, but a small part of me is saying cancel it and go and buy something instead. I certainly haven't spotted anything that might be interesting in terms of current lease deals.
its interesting you say its a really good deal. I think it is but on the leasing thread forum somebody said it was not deal-worthy as it was around 25% of the RRP rather than 20% or whatever the target of the thread is. Some seem to forget that this car will depreciate quicker than a diesel of a similar price because of the fuel economy, so should be dearer to lease, and if you compare to what you can get C43s for it looks a steal!

JetskiJezz

662 posts

137 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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TomScrut said:
JetskiJezz said:
I have just assumed that there was a limited amount of the S5's that were being offered at the original price and once they have the quota signed up for the deal with stop.. I also assume, because the deal was in my opinion really good that it was based on trying to fill up all the books and keep the factory process running whilst the new shape car gained traction and started to fill up all the books through the normal main dealer channels. I would have thought that is where most of these "bargain" type offers tend to come from but it's not my area of expertise.

Now seriously trying to work out what I want to do, part of me thinks just stick with it, but a small part of me is saying cancel it and go and buy something instead. I certainly haven't spotted anything that might be interesting in terms of current lease deals.
its interesting you say its a really good deal. I think it is but on the leasing thread forum somebody said it was not deal-worthy as it was around 25% of the RRP rather than 20% or whatever the target of the thread is. Some seem to forget that this car will depreciate quicker than a diesel of a similar price because of the fuel economy, so should be dearer to lease, and if you compare to what you can get C43s for it looks a steal!
The lease thread is a great source of data, but an awful lot of it is all about getting the absolute cheapest car absolute cheapest price - in comparison the S5 while generating a bit of interest when it first appeared wasn't really the main type of car that appeals to the masses. Just the fuel usage alone would put most people searching through the lease thread off going for an S5 even at its price point.
I spent the last couple of months searching quite hard just to see if there was an alternative to the S5 at anything close to its price point and nothing was getting close to it at all in terms of budget.

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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JetskiJezz said:
TomScrut said:
JetskiJezz said:
I have just assumed that there was a limited amount of the S5's that were being offered at the original price and once they have the quota signed up for the deal with stop.. I also assume, because the deal was in my opinion really good that it was based on trying to fill up all the books and keep the factory process running whilst the new shape car gained traction and started to fill up all the books through the normal main dealer channels. I would have thought that is where most of these "bargain" type offers tend to come from but it's not my area of expertise.

Now seriously trying to work out what I want to do, part of me thinks just stick with it, but a small part of me is saying cancel it and go and buy something instead. I certainly haven't spotted anything that might be interesting in terms of current lease deals.
its interesting you say its a really good deal. I think it is but on the leasing thread forum somebody said it was not deal-worthy as it was around 25% of the RRP rather than 20% or whatever the target of the thread is. Some seem to forget that this car will depreciate quicker than a diesel of a similar price because of the fuel economy, so should be dearer to lease, and if you compare to what you can get C43s for it looks a steal!
The lease thread is a great source of data, but an awful lot of it is all about getting the absolute cheapest car absolute cheapest price - in comparison the S5 while generating a bit of interest when it first appeared wasn't really the main type of car that appeals to the masses. Just the fuel usage alone would put most people searching through the lease thread off going for an S5 even at its price point.
I spent the last couple of months searching quite hard just to see if there was an alternative to the S5 at anything close to its price point and nothing was getting close to it at all in terms of budget.
335/435xd were the only ones I thought were alternatives other than going to S3/Merc 45 AMGs but all were similar money (or close enough that the S5 was a better bet).

simonwhite2000

2,474 posts

98 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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audia530tdi said:
Ive just rang Sheffield Audi direct and managed to update my spec to add flat bottom steering wheel, virtual cockpit and BO sound system to pay for separately. She was fine with that and confirmed no change to build date.

Key lesson here - dont ask broker to amend as they'll tell you porkies. Go direct to dealer. Thanks to simonwhite2000 for that tip!
You are welcome. I can see it from a broker perspective (not saying its right) that you have the order place and your fee so now you focus on getting more orders and more fees - it is sales after all.
However to get return business there still needs to be a customer care element and if you are given sight of who the dealer is then of course you will contact them if you are not getting the answer you need from the broker. Dealers will mostly want to help you add spec as its more money.


simonwhite2000

2,474 posts

98 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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TomScrut said:
JetskiJezz said:
TomScrut said:
JetskiJezz said:
I have just assumed that there was a limited amount of the S5's that were being offered at the original price and once they have the quota signed up for the deal with stop.. I also assume, because the deal was in my opinion really good that it was based on trying to fill up all the books and keep the factory process running whilst the new shape car gained traction and started to fill up all the books through the normal main dealer channels. I would have thought that is where most of these "bargain" type offers tend to come from but it's not my area of expertise.

Now seriously trying to work out what I want to do, part of me thinks just stick with it, but a small part of me is saying cancel it and go and buy something instead. I certainly haven't spotted anything that might be interesting in terms of current lease deals.
its interesting you say its a really good deal. I think it is but on the leasing thread forum somebody said it was not deal-worthy as it was around 25% of the RRP rather than 20% or whatever the target of the thread is. Some seem to forget that this car will depreciate quicker than a diesel of a similar price because of the fuel economy, so should be dearer to lease, and if you compare to what you can get C43s for it looks a steal!
The lease thread is a great source of data, but an awful lot of it is all about getting the absolute cheapest car absolute cheapest price - in comparison the S5 while generating a bit of interest when it first appeared wasn't really the main type of car that appeals to the masses. Just the fuel usage alone would put most people searching through the lease thread off going for an S5 even at its price point.
I spent the last couple of months searching quite hard just to see if there was an alternative to the S5 at anything close to its price point and nothing was getting close to it at all in terms of budget.
335/435xd were the only ones I thought were alternatives other than going to S3/Merc 45 AMGs but all were similar money (or close enough that the S5 was a better bet).
Agree - the S5 isnt like one of those 178 quid Golf R deals from a few years back and thats why in the main forum it wasnt for most people. But for a nigh on 50k car its certainly the only way i could get in something like it. I was looking for a final splurge after the Golf R I just had before we have a family and im in esates or SUV's!!! The other cars i was looking at were Jag XF's etc but they were 2 litre diesels on polo wheels as standard so i am very happy with this S5 deal.

Electronicpants

2,646 posts

189 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Aargh

I guess it's only a matter of time before I get a similar email from V4B.

I, like most of you have looked about to see if there was anything similar and can't find anything else for the same money coming close to the S5.

What does annoy me is that I'd wouldn't have spent 550 quid on options if i knew that I was getting charged the 750 VED!

What annoys me even more is that when I changed from a coupe to a sportback, he clearly told me that they would just use the same build slot so there would be no delay, but they didn't, the dealer kept my old order going and the Sportback was put through as a new order. I know they don't have a crystal ball, but if they had told me even of the possibility of moving to Sportback was going to cost me another £750, I'd have told them not to bother, my wife has a XC60 so the practical family car box has been ticked.

The only thing I can't complain about too much is the delivery as my current car goes back on the 1st May.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.




audia530tdi

75 posts

142 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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gatdecore said:
My dealer said (via email....) that it's too late, when is your build date?
10th April so a fair few months to go yet

NickA555

194 posts

91 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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ODRALLAG said:
Where can you see that the spec has been updated or which extra options have been added? Also do you have a coupe on order or a sportback? Thanks
If you logon to MyAudi you can then see the spec of your car and it lists all the standard options together with the additional items that have been specced. Unfortunately, it's all been bundled together so you have to sift through the info...

I've got a Sportback on order smile

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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gatdecore said:
audia530tdi said:
Ive just rang Sheffield Audi direct and managed to update my spec to add flat bottom steering wheel, virtual cockpit and BO sound system to pay for separately. She was fine with that and confirmed no change to build date.

Key lesson here - dont ask broker to amend as they'll tell you porkies. Go direct to dealer. Thanks to simonwhite2000 for that tip!
My dealer said (via email....) that it's too late, when is your build date?
When is your build date?

gatdecore

132 posts

91 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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TomScrut said:
When is your build date?
20th Feb

TomScrut

2,546 posts

89 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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gatdecore said:
TomScrut said:
When is your build date?
20th Feb
Makes sense then, I think they go into lockdown about a month beforehand? I bet the car I am getting is a 20th of Feb car too, I have asked for the tracking details on the car I am actually getting, so hopefully will have that tomorrow. On tracking has it moved beyond "order received" yet?

JetskiJezz

662 posts

137 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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I really must stop reading this thread, I know it's addictive, but it's starting to get me down now.
I my car on 11th November, keep reading about the couple are you getting cars that are 20th Feb build dates which I'm assuming transpires to a roundabout 20th March delivery ( something like four weeks) mine however is stuck on 10th April and has been for what feels like eternity.