RE: Geneva 2017 preview

RE: Geneva 2017 preview

Sunday 12th March 2017

Geneva 2017 - News Hub

Catch up on all our Geneva stories here



As the first big expo of the European calendar, and easily accessible to the moneyed types with a taste for the expensive end of the spectrum, Geneva is a show with a higher quota of supercars and exotic machinery than most. As motor shows go it's arguably among the more PHey, put it that way.

Press day is Tuesday March 7 and we'll be there reporting on all the exciting debuts. And there are a number right up our street, some of which we know about officially, some of which we don't but are widely tipped to be joining the fray. Put it this way, if you're in the business of building fast and exciting cars you'd be daft NOT to have something new on your stand at the show.

This preview gathers together stories we've already published on some of the cars we know for sure will be at the show; expect more to be added in the coming days as the announcements start coming thick and fast. For thoughts from both Matt and Dan live on the show floor, head over to the PH Liveblog here.

Last update: 8/3/17, 1315h


Alpina
The first all-wheel drive B5 is on the Alpina stand at Geneva. Will 608hp and 590lb ft from the 4.4-litre twin-turbocharged V8 have BMW M fans rushing over to Alpina? A recalibrated xDrive system and a rework of the traction control allow "an even more pronounced rear-wheel drive torque distribution"; if that doesn't sound good enough, then there's the 205mph top speed as well...


Alpine
Pre-reveals aside, this new Alpine is a highly anticipated return for the sports car brand. It has been confirmed that it will have an aluminiumbody including a flat floor and rear diffuser to aid air flow and 'ensure remarkable aerodynamics' Details of the seats were then teased, with 'excellent lateral support and comfort' weighing in at 13.1kg. In the latest teaser Alpine has confirmed the return of the A110 name and a couple of undisguised pics. There are still no details on the engine or performance, beyond that early claim of sub-4.5 seconds 0-62mph.

Aston Martin
Aston's DB11 Volante is still a year away, but the Vanquish S Volante is as traditional as an Aston drop top will get. Expect a 600hp V12 with power higher up the rev range and suitable upgrades to the drivetrain and suspension. The cosmetic tweaks from the Vanquish S are carried over and could easily be one of the prettiest Aston Martins ever. Meanwhile the Red Bull and Adrian Newey developed hypercar gets a proper name - the vehicle formerly known as the AM-RB 001 is now officially called ... the Valkyrie. They'll have to build it now, right? And there is more still! The new AMR and AMR Line cars - revealed with a Vantage AMR and Rapide AMR Line - bring a taste of Aston Martin's motorsport success to the road product. Just in case you didn't make the list for a new GT3 and all.


Audi
400hp was supercar level power not so long ago; now you can get it in a hot hatch as Audi's RS3 returns packing a slightly harder punch. Claimed to be the most powerful hot hatch and taking the engine from the TT RS, Audi Sport boss Stephan Winkelmann (yes, him!) says it will be a "an attractive introduction to the RS world". And there's more from Audi Sport too - the new RS5 no less, now packing a 450hp V6 as opposed to ... a 450hp V8. The new one is a twin-turbo though and has torque the high-revving old model.noticeably lacked.

Bentley
An evolution of the EXP10 Speed 6 Coupe, the convertible EXP12 Speed 6e Concept promises London to Paris on a single charge; while that technology is a little way off, we can expect this exterior and interior to influence the next Continental GT.

Ford
The three-door hot hatch was bound to die a death in 2017, but Ford has come to the rescue with the new Fiesta ST available in both three- or five-door guises. The new ST is fitted with a 1.5-litre three-cylinder Ecoboost engine with three driving modes and cylinder deactivation! Inside, Ford has fitted the new SYNC3 infotainments system with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility.


Ferrari
In typical style Ferrari managed to catch us pretty much unawares with its Geneva debut - the 812 Superfast. The F12 successor has 800hp and 529lb ft from a naturally-aspirated V12 and is capable of more than 212mph. It also gets the F12 TdF's four-wheel steer called Virtual Short Wheelbase 2.0 and an updated version of Side Slip Control.

Gemballa
Not ones for doing either shy or retiring, Gemballa will be showing its third 'Avalanche' model (the one based on a 911 Turbo) at Geneva. All 820hp of it. And Ferrari has the temerity to call its car Superfast... Expect plenty more from the tuners soon!

Glickenhaus
Building on the experience from the SCG003C race car, Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus is back at Geneva not only showing the SCG003S but also promising to annihilate the Nurburgring lap record with a target of 6min and 30sec. Helping achieve this goal will be lap data from the N24 car, an 800hp twin-turbo V8, 1,000kg of downforce and 2g cornering force - suffice to say this is a serious bit of kit.


Infiniti
A "radical reinterpretation" of the Q60, developed in collaboration with the Renault F1 team and said to have an F1-style energy recovery system to 'store' boosts for a push-to-pass burst to get around slow-moving traffic.

Kahn
'Reimagined and enhanced' is what Kahn's Vengeance Volante is said to be over the Aston Martin DB9 it is based on. Not much has been seen on this car, with the only image teased on Kahn's Instagram page is hidden in shadows. Don't expect it to be modest!

Lamborghini
Track focused Lamborghinis always shock and awe. The Aventador SV smashed a lap of the Nurburgring in 6min 59sec and now the new Huracan Performante has gone even faster with a stellar 6min 52.01sec lap, Lamborghini's tame nutcase Marco Mapelli at the wheel. That's faster than a hybrid-enhanced Porsche 918 Spyder and thanks to an active aero system called ... Aerodinamica Lamborghini Attiva. Your move Ferrari...

Land Rover
Evoque not expensive enough, but not quite made it to Range Rover Sport territory? Land Rover has spotted this gap and is filling it with the Velar. Less green lane and more urban style, the 'avant-garde' Velar said to be based on the Jaguar F-Pace platform and is there to cash in on the German mid-SUV segment. Look for bigger engines than seen in the Evoque and, hopefully, an SVR will be on the way too. Perhaps of more interest on the JLR stand though is the Photon Red I-Pace and, even better, a 'Project Hero' Discovery, a one-off car produced by SVO with the Austrian Red Cross. It has a drone that can fly from the roof with plenty more gadgets on board to help the Red Cross locate victims.


McLaren
A 12C/650S replacement has quite the pair of shoes to fill, now confirmed as the 720S. Teasers leading up to the reveal of the reveal have included the P1-inspired Monocage II carbon tub, Variable Drift Control, ProActive Chassis Control II and a 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8. Given the increasing irrelevance of 0-62 times the importance of the 0-125mph time that's the only performance stat thus released is clear - 7.8 seconds is a tenth quicker than a 675LT but, more importantly, a whole half second faster than a Ferrari 488 GTB.

Mercedes
A 612hp all-wheel drive saloon or estate would have sounded like stuff of dreams 10 years ago but Mercedes-AMG has put its most powerful V8 in the E-Class. And given you the option of disconnecting the all-wheel drive system to put all that power through the rear axle. Suffice it to say we're fans, the more so with the debut of the estate version coming to Geneva. The show will also see the debut of the Edition 50 AMG GT Roadster. Elsewhere Mercedes is clearly gunning for 'most Geneva car ever' with the unveiling of the Maybach-badged G650 Landaulet, a monstrous combination of jacked-up, portal-axled G500 'Squared' and Maybach-grade opulence. A 630hp V12 and top speed of 144mph complete this vision of opulence... Not enough? Looks like there will be a four-door AMG GT coming too!


Pagani
Always wanted a Huayra but desperately wanted that wind in your hair feeling? Well the Roadster is here as an 'unbridled work of art' but still capable of 1.8G of cornering force, a limited run of 100 and a price of 2.3million euros.

Pininfarina
The Italian coachbuilder is going to have a busy Geneva show with not one but two different offerings. The H600 is a luxury all-electric saloon designed for Hong Kong-based Hybrid Kinetic Group. On a completely different note, the Fittipaldi EF7 is a carbon monocoque race car weighing in at around 1,000kg with over 600hp from a naturally-aspirated V8.

Porsche
You can't accuse Porsche of not listening to its customers - purist outrage over the PDK only 991 GT3 and anger at those denied an R have been addressed with the new, second generation 991 GT3. 500hp from a 4.0-litre six that revs to 9,000rpm and a no-cost manual option are the headlines, the £111K asking price seeming relative good value given the performance. Meanwhile whoever says the Hybrid is the choice for the eco-warriors hasn't seen Porsche's offering - the Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid. Enough power to trouble supercars, capable of hitting 192mph flat out but enough eco credentials to eke out an official 97.4mpg and up to 31 miles in all-electric mode. Not enough Panamera for you? The production version of the Sport Turismo 'shooting brake' has been confirmed and will be at the show.

Renault
Drawning up on Renault's Formula E experience, the mad Zoe e-sport is fitted with standard Ohlins dampers, four-wheel drive and two motors pushing the power up to 455hp. It sprints to 62mph in 3.2 seconds and 130mph in less than 10 (!). Four driver modes can prioritise range or power and we are sincerely hoping it can become some kind of a reality.

Rinspeed
With Porsche offering plenty of power and eco credentials to powerfully-built executives, Rinspeed, on the other hand, has revealed the self-driving Oasis. An integrated garden plot behind the windshield, the Oasis offers a 'living room ambience' allowing you to relax as you are driven to your favourite restaurant. If you are up for driving, a fitness and alertness test has to be passed before the foldaway steering wheel emerges.

Rolls-Royce
Even if no new models are to be revealed by Rolls-Royce it couldn't turn up at Geneva without something suitably lavish for the moneyed crowd. That'll be the actual showgoers - not the likes of us, it should be pointed out. A one-off, extended-wheelbase Ghost "inspired by something that cannot be bought, but is innate... style" with paintwork consisting of 1,000 crushed diamonds is about as Geneva as it gets. If something a little more fashionable is to your taste, how about the fashion-inspired Dawn? Three colour combinations on a white base represent "simplified, classic style" whilst the revised Wraith Black Badge has more torque than before - 642lb ft with tweaks to the gearbox, air suspension and driveshafts.


Ruf
It's 30 years since Ruf unleashed the CTR Yellowbird around the 'ring and its celebration has the potential to overshadow Porsche's own new GT3 and, indeed, the Lamborghini Huracan Performante. Yes, it's a new CTR Yellowbird, retro in looks but based on a carbon chassis and packing 710hp. Manual only it weighs just 1,200kg dry and will hit 225mph. If you're brave enough.

Toyota
With Toyota back in the WRC, Toyota has created this supercharged 1.8-litre Yaris GRMN alongside its motorsport team Gazoo Racing. Key information to take from it is a six-speed manual, more than 205hp, a Torsen limited slip differential and Sachs dampers, with sales to commence in 2018. 

Vanda
Vanda isn't yet known in supercar circles, but help from Williams Advanced Engineering on the aero and composites are definitely a good start. The Dendrobium is promising to be something spectacular too. An all-new player in the market or a classic Geneva one-hit wonder never to be heard of again after the show? We'll see!

 

Author
Discussion

P-Jay

Original Poster:

10,563 posts

191 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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What does 4x4 "Squared" mean?

Europa1

10,923 posts

188 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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P-Jay said:
What does 4x4 "Squared" mean?
256?

GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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P-Jay said:
What does 4x4 "Squared" mean?
https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mercedes-benz/vehicles/passenger-cars/g-class/the-g-class-squared/

kambites

67,552 posts

221 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Europa1 said:
P-Jay said:
What does 4x4 "Squared" mean?
256?
64, exponents are higher precedence than multiplication. tongue out

P-Jay

Original Poster:

10,563 posts

191 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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GranCab said:
P-Jay said:
What does 4x4 "Squared" mean?
https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mercedes-benz/vehicles/passenger-cars/g-class/the-g-class-squared/
Thanks

Mercedes said:
Only a G-Class can be better than a G-Class. This is the credo followed by the developers with the Mercedes-Benz G 63 AMG 6×6, and they are now stepping up a gear with the G 500 4×4². The basic recipe for this overcomer of everything is simple: take the superior all-wheel-drive powertrain including portal axles from the 6×6 – take away one axle – and blend it all with a newly-developed variable chassis and the series-production G-Class body.
So, in reality - fk all, meaningless marketing phrase.

PetrolAholic

141 posts

182 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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kambites said:
Europa1 said:
P-Jay said:
What does 4x4 "Squared" mean?
256?
64, exponents are higher precedence than multiplication. tongue out
Beat me to it, glad there are other math graduates here too.

andybu

293 posts

208 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Always an interesting visit, is Geneva. I'm planning to be there on the first public day which is March 9th. Maybe we can organize an informal PH coffee-stop?

Dave Hedgehog

14,549 posts

204 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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P-Jay said:
So, in reality - fk all, meaningless marketing phrase.
not really, the undergear on the 6*6 was seriously expensive heavy duty stuff, it wasn't just on jacked up springs with giant wheels fitted

kambites

67,552 posts

221 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Dave Hedgehog said:
P-Jay said:
So, in reality - fk all, meaningless marketing phrase.
not really, the undergear on the 6*6 was seriously expensive heavy duty stuff, it wasn't just on jacked up springs with giant wheels fitted
The name is meaningless marketing rubbish; the feature isn't.

Hellers

134 posts

173 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Quote:

..."Put it this way, if you're in the business of building fast and exciting cars you'd be daft NOT to have something new on your stand at the show..."




Tumbleweed........

"Paging Mr Jean Marc Lotus...???"





'Nul Points' for Belgium.

rich12

3,463 posts

154 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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I'm not really on top of all this but why the hell is 'Kahn' on the list. You have all these high end manufacturers and then a bloke who owns a company that simply does bodykits for the blind.


anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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PH still pushing Kahn...why?

Oh, they're getting paid for it riiiight...

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

168 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Kierkegaard said:
PH still pushing Kahn...why?

Oh, they're getting paid for it riiiight...
Yup, just like we are by all the manufacturers and tuners launching new cars at Geneva and mentioned in this story and further coverage to come... banghead

Honestly, we've got so much cash around the office we just don't know what to do with it. I think we're going to have to send Nikolai out into Richmond Park to bury some of it, Narcos style.

Seriously though, message received on Kahn. Not feeling the love? Fine. Posting a comment saying as much? Also fine. Extrapolating the ONLY possible reason we might be mentioning (in passing, as part of a larger story about the show) a car that YOU don't happen to like is down to backhanders? Not fine.

Hand on heart the Range Rover Velar isn't to my tastes either and much as I love G-Wagens the Maybach thing has - in my personal opinion - properly jumped the shark but we'll be reporting on both, and all the rest. I'm sure there will be plenty of stuff from the show you do like - stories on things you don't should be easily avoided to help you maintain blood presure to safe levels.

Thanks,

Dan

howardhughes

999 posts

204 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Kahn - Take something exquisite and turn it into a pile of ste.

findtomdotcom

689 posts

240 months

Thursday 23rd February 2017
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Kahn, utter awfulness, but each to their own.

I'm hoping for some 991.2 GT3 news....


Edited by findtomdotcom on Saturday 25th February 13:16

Olf

11,974 posts

218 months

Saturday 11th March 2017
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Seriously PH editors - another front page of a G class variation? Seems like every fking week.


Because it is.

Mercury00

4,101 posts

156 months

Saturday 11th March 2017
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Why can't we hear about the normal cars that we might actually buy?