RE: New Audi TT details emerge
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"There was excitement amongst people who like handbags this week as Audi revealed its brand new TT, along with claims that the new car is up to 42 percent. This impressive increase is claimed to be indicative of Audi's intention to build on the enormous success of the original TT, but achieving a whole 42 percent hasn't been easy. "The coupe lifestyle ABC1 user chooser lifestyle disposable lifestyle market lifestyle is more competitive than ever," said an inside person. "That's why it was vital that we made the new TT a given percentage increase. The target was a 40 percent but we're delighted that the actual number we can quote is slightly higher". Audi spies say the 42 percent figure has been achieved thanks to a ten percent rise in something, allied to a 27 percent reduction in something else, plus a torsional excellence lifestyle maximisation of 12 percent compared to the previous model, leading to a whole 42 percent when compared to another number. So whilst the new TT's looks are clearly a clever evolution of the existing version, it's under the skin where the really impressive percentage work has been done. "Obviously we gained a lot by basing this new car on the impressive and adaptable percentages of the independent rear axle of the new VAG medium car platform," said one person standing just outside the inside. "But we have built on those percentages with a significant increase in the optimum stiffness variable aluminium system percentage increase spaceframe essential loading percentage area lifestyle. Systems".
Whether the new TT can match the remarkable success of the outgoing model remains to be seen, but with a whole 42 percent behind it the new car certainly looks pretty significant increase spaceframe loading lifestyle extensive optimum magnetic neutral dynamic aluminium widthways orientated distribution balanced real terms functional elasokinematic excellent solutions system!"
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"There was excitement amongst people who like handbags this week as Audi revealed its brand new TT, along with claims that the new car is up to 42 percent. This impressive increase is claimed to be indicative of Audi's intention to build on the enormous success of the original TT, but achieving a whole 42 percent hasn't been easy. "The coupe lifestyle ABC1 user chooser lifestyle disposable lifestyle market lifestyle is more competitive than ever," said an inside person. "That's why it was vital that we made the new TT a given percentage increase. The target was a 40 percent but we're delighted that the actual number we can quote is slightly higher". Audi spies say the 42 percent figure has been achieved thanks to a ten percent rise in something, allied to a 27 percent reduction in something else, plus a torsional excellence lifestyle maximisation of 12 percent compared to the previous model, leading to a whole 42 percent when compared to another number. So whilst the new TT's looks are clearly a clever evolution of the existing version, it's under the skin where the really impressive percentage work has been done. "Obviously we gained a lot by basing this new car on the impressive and adaptable percentages of the independent rear axle of the new VAG medium car platform," said one person standing just outside the inside. "But we have built on those percentages with a significant increase in the optimum stiffness variable aluminium system percentage increase spaceframe essential loading percentage area lifestyle. Systems".
Whether the new TT can match the remarkable success of the outgoing model remains to be seen, but with a whole 42 percent behind it the new car certainly looks pretty significant increase spaceframe loading lifestyle extensive optimum magnetic neutral dynamic aluminium widthways orientated distribution balanced real terms functional elasokinematic excellent solutions system!"
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For what it is it looks a fine car, it looks pretty good and will make a good car choice for many people, but that taget market isn't aimed at us petrolheads. A lot of TT are bought as the only car for a person/couple and serve very well in that role.
People won't buy it for dynamic ability (and those that do will consider the ESP/ABS/EBA/PAS/TCS to be part of that ability, not detracting from it), they'll look at image, build quality and residuals - areas where the old model scored highly and this new one likely will too. Mind you handling wise without all the aids switched off it should be good, as the Mk4 Golf chassis was awful, but as the Touran on the Mk5 platform handled better than the Mk4 GTi, this TT could handle really well, especially if the 4WD has Audi's newfound thinking of rearward power distribution.
I'd imagine Audi are onto a winner, even if they have managed to get the styling a bit wrong IMO.
>> Edited by Tripps on Friday 7th April 15:29
People won't buy it for dynamic ability (and those that do will consider the ESP/ABS/EBA/PAS/TCS to be part of that ability, not detracting from it), they'll look at image, build quality and residuals - areas where the old model scored highly and this new one likely will too. Mind you handling wise without all the aids switched off it should be good, as the Mk4 Golf chassis was awful, but as the Touran on the Mk5 platform handled better than the Mk4 GTi, this TT could handle really well, especially if the 4WD has Audi's newfound thinking of rearward power distribution.
I'd imagine Audi are onto a winner, even if they have managed to get the styling a bit wrong IMO.
>> Edited by Tripps on Friday 7th April 15:29
The wheel arches are a bit Focus ST...Deffo a strong touch of the Ford about it.
I liked the original because it was original (sort of). You saw one coming a mile off and didn't have to wait until you could read the badge or see some tiny styling clue before you knew what it was. It looked like a childs toy perhaps, but it was distinctive. This isn't quite as good in that respect. Unfortunatley it was trendy. Which means girls liked it, which means men have a hard time driving one without looking 'sensitive'.
At least one of you has asked for more power. It doesn't really need it, it certainly won't 'fix' things. It has plenty of power, now it is all about how that is controlled and delivered. There are other things to do first. The relentless requests to shave another 0.3 seconds off some fictional 0-60 time (unless you really don't want to use your clutch and tyres again in the near future) and some hyperthetical top speed. I have driven over 70 on a motorway (ahem), however I have still to get close to the top speed of many of the machines we all talk about. A car needs soul, a certain class and be fun to drive at all speeds. And you can have fun in really quite pedestrian cars because you'll find a lot of that fun at the edge of things, which is why we need to bring back leaf springs and solid axles
I liked the original because it was original (sort of). You saw one coming a mile off and didn't have to wait until you could read the badge or see some tiny styling clue before you knew what it was. It looked like a childs toy perhaps, but it was distinctive. This isn't quite as good in that respect. Unfortunatley it was trendy. Which means girls liked it, which means men have a hard time driving one without looking 'sensitive'.
At least one of you has asked for more power. It doesn't really need it, it certainly won't 'fix' things. It has plenty of power, now it is all about how that is controlled and delivered. There are other things to do first. The relentless requests to shave another 0.3 seconds off some fictional 0-60 time (unless you really don't want to use your clutch and tyres again in the near future) and some hyperthetical top speed. I have driven over 70 on a motorway (ahem), however I have still to get close to the top speed of many of the machines we all talk about. A car needs soul, a certain class and be fun to drive at all speeds. And you can have fun in really quite pedestrian cars because you'll find a lot of that fun at the edge of things, which is why we need to bring back leaf springs and solid axles
Quick shake me before I fall asleep, that is one boring redesign. No doubt they will sell loads to people who think they are buying a sports car - what a load of bull. That corporate heavy agressive grill design looks a bag of sh!te on something thats sposed to be the companys 'lightweight sports car'. When will the Germans learn that loads of electronics does not equal FUN in a car, give me a simple MX5 with a hardtop plus the cash in the bank anyday.
Have we got this far without mention that although the last one was stylistically wonderful (Bauahus gatecrashes Germany's most sophisticated car maker) it was only ever meant to be a showpiece of Audi design. When they had to productionise it, the entire weight sat over the nose - there really is very little aft of the doors on a TT - and the thing handled like a dog. Not even 4wd could help its case.
This one pushed everything further back - useful weight transfer: check out how close the glasshouse gets to the rear lip of the tail compared to the Mk1 - and shives all the steel at the back to try and make it handle. It may well do, but it doesn't move the styling game on, just tries to make an icon "fit" more with its contemporaries - poor! And the interior is a backwards step - aspires to the original but removes the sexy bits, like the ali grab handles either side of the tunnel.
I liked the pics when I first saw them this morning, but now I think it looks like a Ford copy of the inspired original. I'll take the Shooting Brake.
This one pushed everything further back - useful weight transfer: check out how close the glasshouse gets to the rear lip of the tail compared to the Mk1 - and shives all the steel at the back to try and make it handle. It may well do, but it doesn't move the styling game on, just tries to make an icon "fit" more with its contemporaries - poor! And the interior is a backwards step - aspires to the original but removes the sexy bits, like the ali grab handles either side of the tunnel.
I liked the pics when I first saw them this morning, but now I think it looks like a Ford copy of the inspired original. I'll take the Shooting Brake.
hendry said:
it was only ever meant to be a showpiece of Audi design. When they had to productionise it, the entire weight sat over the nose
I think this was a top marketing trick - The TT concept was quite obviously a production ready car from the outset and they pretented that it was a concept that they might make to tease the market. They did a few minor tweeks to justify the fib. Remember the concept interior was a finished article with mass produced mouldings which would not have been cost effective if it had been a pure concept.
nickfrog said:
it was only ever meant to be a showpiece of Audi design. When they had to productionise it, the entire weight sat over the nose
I think this was a top marketing trick - The TT concept was quite obviously a production ready car from the outset and they pretented that it was a concept that they might make to tease the market. They did a few minor tweeks to justify the fib. Remember the concept interior was a finished article with mass produced mouldings which would not have been cost effective if it had been a pure concept.
Well, yes, so can we then suggest their engineers are somewhat less talented then the marketing and styling departments? The thing launched with, if I recall, 62% of its weight over the nose - when they started spinning in the hands of amateurs, they had to bring them all back in and fill the rear underfloor with ballast (the ineffective rear lip spoilers was, once again, the work of the marketing and styling departments). That explains why they have emphasised the steel over the rear of the vehicle.
I hope dynamically this is better, but it does indeed look like a fastback Ford. For weight distribution and aesthetic reasons (this isn't the forum to mention practicality), the Shooting Break has to be the pick of the bunch. Ford styled contemporary Lancia HPE anyone?
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