High miler VAG diesels?
Discussion
daemon said:
Interesting that most of the high milers being mentioned are older type engines.
Genuinely not sure of the longevity of the latest engines. I've a 2012 1.6 TDI which i got last year with 13K miles.
So far in a year and 25K miles its needed a new water pump fitted (plus timing belt) and in September a full engine wiring loom. God knows what that lot would have cost if i'd been paying.
You then hear of EGR valve problems on the 1.6TDI (apparently a big job to get at) and quite fresh cars needing DMF's, DPFs, turbos, pumps, injectors, etc.
Not sure i'd be wanting to run a modern VAG to big miles out of warranty....
Surprised yours needed the belt/ water-pump that early, I thought they were supposed to last the life of that engine but VW UK are recommending changing at 5-years. Haven't heard of the wiring loom failing before. I've got a couple of mates with the same, one is on 40k and the other 80k no issues to report. Genuinely not sure of the longevity of the latest engines. I've a 2012 1.6 TDI which i got last year with 13K miles.
So far in a year and 25K miles its needed a new water pump fitted (plus timing belt) and in September a full engine wiring loom. God knows what that lot would have cost if i'd been paying.
You then hear of EGR valve problems on the 1.6TDI (apparently a big job to get at) and quite fresh cars needing DMF's, DPFs, turbos, pumps, injectors, etc.
Not sure i'd be wanting to run a modern VAG to big miles out of warranty....
Got an extended warranty for my 2.0 TDI just in case anything goes wrong. Worth noting that issues like DPF and EGR failure are often blamed on excessive town usage and repeated short journeys. As for turbo issues I had that with both my previous Golf GTI and 1.4 TSI so that seems to equally affect petrols too!
va1o said:
daemon said:
Interesting that most of the high milers being mentioned are older type engines.
Genuinely not sure of the longevity of the latest engines. I've a 2012 1.6 TDI which i got last year with 13K miles.
So far in a year and 25K miles its needed a new water pump fitted (plus timing belt) and in September a full engine wiring loom. God knows what that lot would have cost if i'd been paying.
You then hear of EGR valve problems on the 1.6TDI (apparently a big job to get at) and quite fresh cars needing DMF's, DPFs, turbos, pumps, injectors, etc.
Not sure i'd be wanting to run a modern VAG to big miles out of warranty....
Surprised yours needed the belt/ water-pump that early, I thought they were supposed to last the life of that engine but VW UK are recommending changing at 5-years. Haven't heard of the wiring loom failing before. I've got a couple of mates with the same, one is on 40k and the other 80k no issues to report. Genuinely not sure of the longevity of the latest engines. I've a 2012 1.6 TDI which i got last year with 13K miles.
So far in a year and 25K miles its needed a new water pump fitted (plus timing belt) and in September a full engine wiring loom. God knows what that lot would have cost if i'd been paying.
You then hear of EGR valve problems on the 1.6TDI (apparently a big job to get at) and quite fresh cars needing DMF's, DPFs, turbos, pumps, injectors, etc.
Not sure i'd be wanting to run a modern VAG to big miles out of warranty....
Got an extended warranty for my 2.0 TDI just in case anything goes wrong. Worth noting that issues like DPF and EGR failure are often blamed on excessive town usage and repeated short journeys. As for turbo issues I had that with both my previous Golf GTI and 1.4 TSI so that seems to equally affect petrols too!
V rare RE: wiring loom problems - the car was generating conflicting error codes from the cam sensor and crank sensor - some sort of conflict. They did a s/w update first, was still generating error codes, did the belt and pump and reset the time and it was still generating codes, so they got the go ahead from VW to replace the loom - they had seen this before.
In terms of symptoms, once a week or so the car would just knock itself off totally with dashlights coming on, radio still working etc, so i had to knock ignition off and restart it whilst doing 60mph or whatever.
Hasnt generated codes OR knocked itself off since (1,000 miles or so)
I do long runs so DPF shouldnt be an issue (nor should DMF really) but the days of "i buy a diesel as its able to cope with big miles" seems to be long over. Its just better economy and hope for the best that something major doesnt go wrong too often.
I think most modern car s properly maintained should achieve 200k and shouldn't really have to many ancillaries replaced either , I would guess that in many cases it will be FRED,s and such like that end the life of most cars now.
None of the above are interstellar mill ages compared to the Vovlo P1800 that has now in Excess of 3 million on the clock!
Off course the life is very much dependant on driving style as well as servicing , the Volvo is driven very carefully and as is often typical in the USA has oil and filter changes every 3k
Our last Honda Jazz did over 100,000 miles with nothing but honda servicing and routine wear items brakes and tyres, it was used hard while in our care and still drove exactly how it came out of the showroom, it was a tool to do a job and nothing else . My S2000 is at 75k I fully expect it to blow up before 100,000
A guy who works for me occasionally has a Toyota van on well over 100k it's never been serviced ! It occasionally gets the odd half litre of oil , and the brakes and tyres get changed when desperate , terrible really but it passes the MOT every year so I suppose it's considered road worthy , not so sure myself
My A4 , at only 23k in the first year not so sure , the engine has I noted become slightly noisier of late more tractorish, and in any case it will be FRED.s that kill it in the end , but I dare say hopefully not in my care , I expect to do appox 70k in the lease period .
None of the above are interstellar mill ages compared to the Vovlo P1800 that has now in Excess of 3 million on the clock!
Off course the life is very much dependant on driving style as well as servicing , the Volvo is driven very carefully and as is often typical in the USA has oil and filter changes every 3k
Our last Honda Jazz did over 100,000 miles with nothing but honda servicing and routine wear items brakes and tyres, it was used hard while in our care and still drove exactly how it came out of the showroom, it was a tool to do a job and nothing else . My S2000 is at 75k I fully expect it to blow up before 100,000
A guy who works for me occasionally has a Toyota van on well over 100k it's never been serviced ! It occasionally gets the odd half litre of oil , and the brakes and tyres get changed when desperate , terrible really but it passes the MOT every year so I suppose it's considered road worthy , not so sure myself
My A4 , at only 23k in the first year not so sure , the engine has I noted become slightly noisier of late more tractorish, and in any case it will be FRED.s that kill it in the end , but I dare say hopefully not in my care , I expect to do appox 70k in the lease period .
Chippo1 said:
I think most modern car s properly maintained should achieve 200k and shouldn't really have to many ancillaries replaced either , I would guess that in many cases it will be FRED,s and such like that end the life of most cars now.
I disagree.I think floating flywheels are a common failure - so budget £800. Turbos are a common failure too, so budget £1500-£2000 from a main dealer, OR take your chances with a recon or second hand one. Injectors will wear out, so theres maybe £600 to stick a set in. Then you've things like turbo actuators, EGR valves and to a lesser extent if you're doing big miles, a chance of DPF failure.
Gearbox failure too - in terms of losing a gear or becoming difficult to get into gears, seems quite common too.
Most of those could easily happen between 100,000 and 200,000 miles.
Having bought my golf at 9 months old with a view to ensuring it is maintained to a high standard and could see me through 10 years, i've seen nothing yet - bearing in mind its had MAJOR work done in my first year of ownership, to make me want to take it beyond 100,000 miles.
Honest John reckons that cars are built for a 7yr lifespan. It's not the engines that will be the issue, it's the multitude of electrical and technical stuff that can go wrong and make a car uneconomic to repair.
However the biggest reducer of a cars life is people's vanity and the strange line of thinking that at 1000000m a car is no good. Why?
However the biggest reducer of a cars life is people's vanity and the strange line of thinking that at 1000000m a car is no good. Why?
loskie said:
Honest John reckons that cars are built for a 7yr lifespan. It's not the engines that will be the issue, it's the multitude of electrical and technical stuff that can go wrong and make a car uneconomic to repair.
However the biggest reducer of a cars life is people's vanity and the strange line of thinking that at 1000000m a car is no good. Why?
To be fair I'd imagine a car with a million miles on would be pretty shagged !However the biggest reducer of a cars life is people's vanity and the strange line of thinking that at 1000000m a car is no good. Why?
loskie said:
Honest John reckons that cars are built for a 7yr lifespan. It's not the engines that will be the issue, it's the multitude of electrical and technical stuff that can go wrong and make a car uneconomic to repair.
Yes. The engines rarely give internal trouble, its the stuff around them and the cost to replace. loskie said:
However the biggest reducer of a cars life is people's vanity and the strange line of thinking that at 1000000m a car is no good. Why?
I dont believe its vanity. After all, does a car look any different on your drive with 95K miles compared to 105K miles.I do think theres a belief, rightly or wrongly, that a car is more likely to give significant trouble after 100,000 miles. And to be honest its probably not a bad rule of thumb.
Cars still sell with 100K+ miles on them, and they still have significant value - they dont suddenly become worthless.
loskie said:
a million miles!? naw I meant 100k.
You would be surprised how many folks see 100000 as a car reaching the end of it's life.
As above. i dont agree. its a threshold that i think people decide whether or not to keep a car or change to a younger one. You would be surprised how many folks see 100000 as a car reaching the end of it's life.
I've sold loads of cars with 100K+ in the trade with no issues at all. If your view is predominant then they'd all just be worth scrap value
If you did a straw poll and asked "has a car reached end of life at 100,000 miles" i dont think there'd be that many - if any at all - who believe it does.
loskie said:
Honest John reckons that cars are built for a 7yr lifespan.
Out of interest, have you a link to that? I wouldnt mind reading it.I would have thought most cars are still viable up to about 12-13 years afterwhich their value versus the cost of an unexpected major bill would put them off the road.
Yes VW andAudi warranty is one of the poorest out there nowadays with most manufacturers offering. 100,000 miles , 3 , 4, 5 or 7 years.
And is Audi not 2 years manufacturer and the 3 rd by the stealers .
FRED,s , Furkin ridiculous electronic devices , that will limit the cost effective viability of many newer vehicles . An ECU failure or some such will in many cases not be cost effective to replace on an older vehicle , let alone repairable .I believe my boggo A4 have 7 systems and depending on spec up to 11 , I already know mine doesent work properly how will these systems fare at high mile ages and many years of use .
And is Audi not 2 years manufacturer and the 3 rd by the stealers .
FRED,s , Furkin ridiculous electronic devices , that will limit the cost effective viability of many newer vehicles . An ECU failure or some such will in many cases not be cost effective to replace on an older vehicle , let alone repairable .I believe my boggo A4 have 7 systems and depending on spec up to 11 , I already know mine doesent work properly how will these systems fare at high mile ages and many years of use .
Edited by Chippo1 on Sunday 5th October 19:18
Yup
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/40084/rep...
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/19539/imm...
not sure what he bases 7yrs on though. I would have thought a max of 15yrs when the airbags will need to be replaced making repair uneconomic.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/40084/rep...
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/19539/imm...
not sure what he bases 7yrs on though. I would have thought a max of 15yrs when the airbags will need to be replaced making repair uneconomic.
loskie said:
Yup
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/40084/rep...
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/19539/imm...
not sure what he bases 7yrs on though. I would have thought a max of 15yrs when the airbags will need to be replaced making repair uneconomic.
Interesting. Though i guess its probably a good way of looking at it in terms of any life in the car after 7 years or so is extended life and you could expect and budget for significant repair bills.http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/40084/rep...
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/askhj/answer/19539/imm...
not sure what he bases 7yrs on though. I would have thought a max of 15yrs when the airbags will need to be replaced making repair uneconomic.
04 plate golf 130 tdi. 136k miles. I cant really judge its reliability yet as i've only done 1k so far. Looking at the service folder its been well looked after by its one previous owner!
I'm not really up on these cars, i've read you need to replace the cambelt and water pump at certain mileages. Anyone have an idea when? I think mine was done at 90k
I'm not really up on these cars, i've read you need to replace the cambelt and water pump at certain mileages. Anyone have an idea when? I think mine was done at 90k
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