Audi TT Mk1 - not sure why it's got such a bad reputation?
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bigbob77 said:
Speaking of Audi driver reputation... At the risk of getting slated for being one, does anyone else think the TT and A8 are exempt? I can't remember the last time I was tailgaited or faced aggressive driving from a TT or A8.
I actually hate the Audi image now. But as you say it is never the TT drivers causing the issues. It is always the hatches and saloons, with the very worst being RS6 drivers in my experience. The TT looks so different is almost avoids being associated with the typical thrusting t
ts. Although I wouldn't be surprised of the TTRS drivers were as bad (although I've not witnessed any yet).If you don't need the hatchback I'd personally get a Z4 instead.
I bought a lovely v6 roadster 6 months ago. I quite like it but now I've scratched the TT itch i'll be moving it on soon, no doubt at a big loss knowing my negotiating skills! 
I've enjoyed driving it, it goes well and makes a lovely noise. It feels and looks nice inside the cabin but I do get bored of cars quickly so am getting rid. Hopefully the 370z i'm considering ordering will keep me entertained for longer....
I've enjoyed driving it, it goes well and makes a lovely noise. It feels and looks nice inside the cabin but I do get bored of cars quickly so am getting rid. Hopefully the 370z i'm considering ordering will keep me entertained for longer....
k-ink said:
I actually hate the Audi image now. But as you say it is never the TT drivers causing the issues. It is always the hatches and saloons, with the very worst being RS6 drivers in my experience. The TT looks so different is almost avoids being associated with the typical thrusting tts. Although I wouldn't be surprised of the TTRS drivers were as bad (although I've not witnessed any yet).
If you don't need the hatchback I'd personally get a Z4 instead.
Clearly no aggression from A8 pilots as they are so cosseted and relaxed. Some may even be sleeping.ts. Although I wouldn't be surprised of the TTRS drivers were as bad (although I've not witnessed any yet).If you don't need the hatchback I'd personally get a Z4 instead.
I had a Mk1 225 for 6 years. It ended up with a complete suspension refurb including modded wishbones to get some feel back, 270 bhp and a fruity exhaust. Never broke down, never failed to start, no electrical niggles, nothing to complain about in 80,000 miles. Got married in it, went to music festivals 3 up in it, had children in it, can't imagine a better car for that period of my life. It left me close on 150k and the interior was virtually mint, engine/running gear in perfect order, pulled like a train and no reason to suspect if wouldn't do another 150k. It's not an out and out sports car, but they are brilliant in their own way and you either get it or you don't.
yonex said:
So you're comparing a 900kg 600HP LM car to a reworked Golf GTI? Interesting, but pointless.
I'm doing no such thing, just showing you what a load of BS your argument was. According to you serious aerodynamic flaws shouldn't cause any problem to a good driver, and yet even professional race drivers seem unable to defy the laws of physics. Odd that.If the TT aerodynamics had literally no role to play in the various high speed accidents, despite the manufacturer acknowledging that the car had excessive rear end lift at speed, why were they recalled? One of the people killed by the TT's wayward behaviour was a ex-WRC rally driver, but I suppose he was just taking the piss.
Edited by Mr2Mike on Sunday 27th March 11:44
Mr2Mike said:
I'm doing no such thing, just showing you what a load of BS your argument was. According to you serious aerodynamic flaws shouldn't cause any problem to a good driver, and yet even professional race drivers seem unable to defy the laws of physics. Odd that.
If the TT aerodynamics had literally no role to play in the various high speed accidents, despite the manufacturer acknowledging that the car had excessive rear end lift at speed, why were they recalled? One of the people killed by the TT's wayward behaviour was a ex-WRC rally driver, but I suppose he was just taking the piss.
The only one talking BS is you. If you have ever driven a TT you'll know what a dull but grippy car it is. Go on the owners forum and have a read of all the threads looking at the original setup and how to make the car more exciting.If the TT aerodynamics had literally no role to play in the various high speed accidents, despite the manufacturer acknowledging that the car had excessive rear end lift at speed, why were they recalled? One of the people killed by the TT's wayward behaviour was a ex-WRC rally driver, but I suppose he was just taking the piss.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th March 11:44
There were very few accidents, all at high speeds. Peter Hommel was killed at around 130mph, the car had winter tyres fitted didn't it, every car has a limit, every accident is a result of many factors. In another instance IIRC it was caused by a lift mid corner, I guess that is what you would call aerodynamic behaviour? It's amazing that so many old 911's etc can be enjoyed without falling off the road, yet nowadays everyone wants the car to sort everything out, no matter how clumsy the inputs are? It's a shame people don't grow up with really poor handling cars with s
tty dynamics. No, better to drive at 130 mph in marginal conditions because, well because the car is so stable it'll stick. Anyway, getting back to your comment comparing a race car in race environment to any road accident is just idiotic.I'd stick to a nice little fwd hatchback if I were you. Better still, with a spoiler. That'll help you.
Plenty of other road cars had worse rear-end lift problems than the TT. I think the problem was that the TT gave you very little information about how much grip you had (or indeed about anything else); was capable of reaching high enough speeds for it to be an issue with very little drama and with enough refinement that you didn't necessarily notice how fast you were going; and was bought in huge numbers by people with little interest in or understanding of driving dynamics.
As I understand it, the thing only really bit if you came suddenly off the throttle in low-grip conditions at very high speed. Something like an S1 Elise would spit you off into the scenery long before the TT would have an issue.
As I understand it, the thing only really bit if you came suddenly off the throttle in low-grip conditions at very high speed. Something like an S1 Elise would spit you off into the scenery long before the TT would have an issue.
Edited by kambites on Sunday 27th March 13:01
kambites said:
Plenty of other road cars had worse rear-end lift problems than the TT. I think the problem was that the TT gave you very little information about how much grip you had (or indeed about anything else); was capable of reaching high enough speeds for it to be an issue with very little drama and with enough refinement that you didn't necessarily notice how fast you were going; and was bought in huge numbers by people with little interest in or understanding of driving dynamics.
As I understand it, the thing only really bit if you came suddenly off the throttle in low-grip conditions at very high speed. Something like an S1 Elise would spit you off into the scenery long before the TT would have an issue.
As I understand it, the thing only really bit if you came suddenly off the throttle in low-grip conditions at very high speed. Something like an S1 Elise would spit you off into the scenery long before the TT would have an issue.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 27th March 13:01
Try the same in a Caterham, Elise, Atom and you'd be in similar trouble. I think you hit the nail on the head that the car was mostly aimed at a new demographic and at the time was a pretty quick car which needed a bit of respect.
Wouldn't put too much faith in the Quattro system. I had a 225 going on for 5 years until driving home from work on the motorway in winter, Quattro seemed to have some sort of fit and the car lost all control and ended up in a ditch. Luckily I was going at an appropriate speed for the weather and am still here to tell the story, no idea what happened - motorway was busy, other cars seemed to handle it without issues, but the TT lost it for some reason.
Car ended up being written off by insurance company as the chassis ended up being bent.
Car ended up being written off by insurance company as the chassis ended up being bent.
AJXX1 said:
Wouldn't put too much faith in the Quattro system. I had a 225 going on for 5 years until driving home from work on the motorway in winter, Quattro seemed to have some sort of fit and the car lost all control and ended up in a ditch. Luckily I was going at an appropriate speed for the weather and am still here to tell the story, no idea what happened - motorway was busy, other cars seemed to handle it without issues, but the TT lost it for some reason.
Car ended up being written off by insurance company as the chassis ended up being bent.
So because you had a neglected car suddenly the Quattro is an unreliable system?Car ended up being written off by insurance company as the chassis ended up being bent.
EazyDuz said:
So because you had a neglected car suddenly the Quattro is an unreliable system?
No, that's not what I'm saying. The car was not neglected, serviced regularly and well looked after.The OP made reference to the Quattro system and I was simply pointing out that it can at times be unreliable.
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