Engine Configuation
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Hi all, I have a deposit down on a 430 and the only thing niggling me is the configuration of the engine bay. It looks like
No doubt a rover v8 but am I missing something or is everything normal for a 1993 430?All the other engine bays I've seen on here have the alternator to the left. The car may have had air-con if that makes a difference.
Thanks in advance,Martin
No doubt a rover v8 but am I missing something or is everything normal for a 1993 430?All the other engine bays I've seen on here have the alternator to the left. The car may have had air-con if that makes a difference.
Thanks in advance,Martin
It doesn't look much like my '92 430. The first and most obvious thing is that it's missing the (very desirable) black cast TVR rocker covers. Then the orientation at the front is reversed (alternator on opposite side) but this looks to be due to the fitment of a power steering pump (or is that the A/C compressor?). The routing of the piping over the LHS rocker is not something I've seen before either but maybe that is from the A/C. Is it a UK-supplied car originally or was it exported?
Not sure if air con was an option on pre cats. The belt configuration is all wrong. I have one thin v shaped belt which goes around the alternator, water pump, and crank pulley. The 500 has a serpentine front and the belt winds its way around the various components but not see one like this. Bit blurry but you get the idea.
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Edited by FlipFlopGriff on Friday 17th October 10:06
The engine you show has three belts. That photo has come off Wackypaedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_V8_engine, and is presumably the de-tuned early Range Rover engine.
EFA - dug a bit further and that's a 1986 3.5 litre Range Rover engine - not a 430 by any imagination.....
The TVR ones I have seen have one triangular cross-section belt, like the above FFG engine, as a pre-serpentine, or with a much longer flat but grooved belt as a serpentine on later models. On my later car the alternator is driver's side, PAS pump is passenger side and the belt travels a lot further and includes water pump, oil pump, crankshaft and tensioner.
EFA - dug a bit further and that's a 1986 3.5 litre Range Rover engine - not a 430 by any imagination.....
The TVR ones I have seen have one triangular cross-section belt, like the above FFG engine, as a pre-serpentine, or with a much longer flat but grooved belt as a serpentine on later models. On my later car the alternator is driver's side, PAS pump is passenger side and the belt travels a lot further and includes water pump, oil pump, crankshaft and tensioner.
Edited by QBee on Friday 17th October 10:20
martyuk said:
Hi all, I have a deposit down on a 430 and the only thing niggling me is the configuration of the engine bay. It looks like
No doubt a rover v8 but am I missing something or is everything normal for a 1993 430?All the other engine bays I've seen on here have the alternator to the left. The car may have had air-con if that makes a difference.
Thanks in advance,Martin
This is NOT a 430 or 400 precat engine layout! Looks like something out of a Land Rover as they have alternator etc on the opposite side. I would not touch the car if it is being sold as a 430, unless you have full provenance from owner. Who knows the engine could be just a detuned Rover unit!!No doubt a rover v8 but am I missing something or is everything normal for a 1993 430?All the other engine bays I've seen on here have the alternator to the left. The car may have had air-con if that makes a difference.
Thanks in advance,Martin
Recommend you look and go for a genuine 430!! Regards, Pete
I've got an early Griffith 430 and i don't think that this is an 430 engine. I've never seen a 430 with the extra air valve, all i've seen have the well known stepper. And the thermostat housing also looks very unusual for any kind of TVR because there is an thermal switch.... well known on Land Rovers but not on TVRs.
http://www.v8forum.co.uk/engineno2.htm
Have you tried checking the engine number?
Lots of other engine no. sites on Google as we'll.
Have you tried checking the engine number?
Lots of other engine no. sites on Google as we'll.
Thanks for all the replies. Been away so could not reply.
The actual car is advertised as a 430. The engine looks like the wiki picture I put up and there is are some other unconnected leads.
I have not confirmed engine numbers but thanks for all the info and I will get back to the seller.
Thanks, Martin
The actual car is advertised as a 430. The engine looks like the wiki picture I put up and there is are some other unconnected leads.
I have not confirmed engine numbers but thanks for all the info and I will get back to the seller.
Thanks, Martin
Thanks for the invite to look at the car but it is being looked into for me by a well known TVR member.I will allow him to come back to me before posting again.
Just to make it clear the engine in the wiki may not be identical to what I have seen and I don't have an image to post as yet.
There may be some other odd bits on the wiki image, it was more the fact the engine in the car has two sets of belts and the alternator located high to the right of the bay.
Thanks, again
Just to make it clear the engine in the wiki may not be identical to what I have seen and I don't have an image to post as yet.
There may be some other odd bits on the wiki image, it was more the fact the engine in the car has two sets of belts and the alternator located high to the right of the bay.
Thanks, again
I have had some answers to my original questions so I thought I would run them past the masses.
The above image is the actual engine. You can see the position of the alternator is quite different from a normal set up.
On the left you can see a hose that is unconnected. This would have been the aircon that made the location change of the alternator necessary.
TVR power have confirmed the engine nos match the factory build. They would be supplied a 3.9l unit and then re-manufacture to a 4.3 and stamp with a second engine number that related to their build.
They are not sure about the aircon on such an early car(1993) but the car also has heated seats so the thinking is that it may have been a show car or a press car.
How does this sound?
The above image is the actual engine. You can see the position of the alternator is quite different from a normal set up.
On the left you can see a hose that is unconnected. This would have been the aircon that made the location change of the alternator necessary.
TVR power have confirmed the engine nos match the factory build. They would be supplied a 3.9l unit and then re-manufacture to a 4.3 and stamp with a second engine number that related to their build.
They are not sure about the aircon on such an early car(1993) but the car also has heated seats so the thinking is that it may have been a show car or a press car.
How does this sound?
martyuk said:
I have had some answers to my original questions so I thought I would run them past the masses.
The above image is the actual engine. You can see the position of the alternator is quite different from a normal set up.
On the left you can see a hose that is unconnected. This would have been the aircon that made the location change of the alternator necessary.
TVR power have confirmed the engine nos match the factory build. They would be supplied a 3.9l unit and then re-manufacture to a 4.3 and stamp with a second engine number that related to their build.
They are not sure about the aircon on such an early car(1993) but the car also has heated seats so the thinking is that it may have been a show car or a press car.
How does this sound?
Hi Marty, There are several unusual differences I can see compared to my 1992 4.3 precat: Exhaust (though this could have been changed by any previous owner), it seems to have a header tank (like 500's) just visible bottom left of photo, etc. Did you get the picture I sent through to you of my 4.3 engine compartment? Best regards, PeteThe above image is the actual engine. You can see the position of the alternator is quite different from a normal set up.
On the left you can see a hose that is unconnected. This would have been the aircon that made the location change of the alternator necessary.
TVR power have confirmed the engine nos match the factory build. They would be supplied a 3.9l unit and then re-manufacture to a 4.3 and stamp with a second engine number that related to their build.
They are not sure about the aircon on such an early car(1993) but the car also has heated seats so the thinking is that it may have been a show car or a press car.
How does this sound?
I can't see that being a show car as it all looks a bit "heath robinson" ...... ok more "heath robinson" the even TVR would manufacture 
Looking at it my guess would be a lot of alterations to fit the aftermarket manifolds, and what ever that is in place of the Y piece..... along with an after market air con kit (I'm assuming the metal tiped pipe through the inner wing is for aircon gasing).
Don't get me wrong, there may be nothing wrong with the engine just because the rest has been played about with.... so long as you not wanting anything other then the engine.
I would how ever, as with any engine get someone to inspect it and budget for refresh whilst it is out.
Looking at it my guess would be a lot of alterations to fit the aftermarket manifolds, and what ever that is in place of the Y piece..... along with an after market air con kit (I'm assuming the metal tiped pipe through the inner wing is for aircon gasing).
Don't get me wrong, there may be nothing wrong with the engine just because the rest has been played about with.... so long as you not wanting anything other then the engine.
I would how ever, as with any engine get someone to inspect it and budget for refresh whilst it is out.
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