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David Vizard
Original Poster
99 posts
18 months
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annodomini2 said: Define big power?  120 plus at the wheels with a five port setup. DV
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fastcarl
235 posts
90 months
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Hello David, and welcome,
i fear you have been away from the mini scene too long as there are a good few 5 port cars with anyhting from 150 to 200 neddies ATW, add in 16 valves and it appears some come with quite a bit more . these are of course turbo charged ,lol
regards carl
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GingerWizard
4,613 posts
68 months
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I have always though a 1380cc too big to be within the spirit of the mini, due to the easy power and torque they thump out. I was always more interested in the 1293 and 1330 over bores as a max. They could produce similar power but spin better and take just that little bit more care. About ten years ago i built a 1293 A+ engine using your book and a lot of researched suppliers + internet and about £300 quids qorth of mini mags over the years preceeding. I was banging out a lot of bhp, (I posted some time ago with the figures i achieved but i think they where spurious rolling road figures; in the cold light of dawn.) About 100bhp on the road was near the mark. I'm a bit suspicious of you D.V; in the panthanon of mini tuners you are all they way up there.... I welcome your insight and knowledge and any knowledge you want to share; what have you been up too/ Where did life lead you? I know you lecture, but what projects have you been putting that magnificent mind too? Gwiz  Edit: Currently have a matching numbers/ V.complete low mileage 1969' 850 super delux in OEW and red leather/vinal. I want to supercharge it, but wonder if i should just pull the engine and do a highly obvious transplant, keeping everything else original...... and the engine as a show peice.... ?
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JC T ONE
122 posts
63 months
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duncancallum
599 posts
48 months
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Its brilliant seeing your name appear on here.
I'm not a fan of 1380's either I understand the power potential in them but I have built a mild 1293 and a bit more angry 1330.
Forced Induction doesn't quite float my boat either.
I have How to modify your mini, the yellow bible and both Clive Trickeys books.
I would be interested in a review of updated cam profiles.
Cheers
Duncan
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David Vizard
Original Poster
99 posts
18 months
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fastcarl said: Hello David, and welcome,
i fear you have been away from the mini scene too long as there are a good few 5 port cars with anyhting from 150 to 200 neddies ATW, add in 16 valves and it appears some come with quite a bit more . these are of course turbo charged ,lol
regards carl Carl - come -on, I'm talking no turbo and no nitrous. If we throw a turbo into the equation it's possible to make enough TQ and HP to grenade everything on a mini, block, crank, rods gearbox etc. The last super boosted A Series I had anything to do with passed the 300 hp mark on the engine dyno. If we could re-enforce everything to hold together 450 hp should be on. I always thought it would be fun to race a de-stroked 1000 S at 850 odd cc and turbo it. This should leave it legal for the 1300 cc class at least as the rules stood last time I looked. I think about 130 at the wheels should be on so that would have been very competitive. But if we want bragging numbers the 1986 2 liter (litre)drag race Mitsubishi Lancer I ported the head for and gave word by word instructions to the engine builder who was 550 miles away, on how to build the motor, made 1172 observed hp at the wheels on wrinckle wall drag slicks and a stinking hot and humid Florida summers day. At the track for the final round of the Import Winter Nationals in Palmdale, California and with Ryan Garcia driving, it shut down all the competition in grand style. In truth it was not so much a race as a demonstration of annihilation. Got my name on TV big time that day. DV
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David Vizard
Original Poster
99 posts
18 months
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GingerWizard said: I have always though a 1380cc too big to be within the spirit of the mini, due to the easy power and torque they thump out. I was always more interested in the 1293 and 1330 over bores as a max. They could produce similar power but spin better and take just that little bit more care. About ten years ago i built a 1293 A+ engine using your book and a lot of researched suppliers + internet and about £300 quids qorth of mini mags over the years preceeding. I was banging out a lot of bhp, (I posted some time ago with the figures i achieved but i think they where spurious rolling road figures; in the cold light of dawn.) About 100bhp on the road was near the mark. I'm a bit suspicious of you D.V; in the panthanon of mini tuners you are all they way up there.... I welcome your insight and knowledge and any knowledge you want to share; what have you been up too/ Where did life lead you? I know you lecture, but what projects have you been putting that magnificent mind too? Gwiz  Edit: Currently have a matching numbers/ V.complete low mileage 1969' 850 super delux in OEW and red leather/vinal. I want to supercharge it, but wonder if i should just pull the engine and do a highly obvious transplant, keeping everything else original...... and the engine as a show peice.... ? Read what In say about going 1380 in my book and you might re-consider your view point here. Having built a lot of 1380's and run (wait for this) several thousand dyno tests on such I would have to say you are not taking all into consideration. DV
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fastcarl
235 posts
90 months
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Hi david, there are one or two mini owners that are sticking to NA and still running very serpectable power and times here in the uk, but the real quick minis are all turbocharged[its the future you know] lol.
Take myself for instance,way back in late 98 i callud up a guy in the states who had the same name as you,coincidence?, i was looking for a one off nitrous cam for my 5 port as the 296 cam i was using was just not allowing the kind of power needed to go really quick,
The guy with the same name as you asked all kinds of questions about valve size, cc, exhaust,carburation and CR. and assured me that the cam he would spec out would do the business, i beleived him so sent off the relevent monies and info and i eventually received through a third party the camshaft i had egerly awaited,
having received said cam and installing it in my rebuild engine for the new 99 season i had real bad trouble with stand off, i called up the guy in the states who had the same name as you,who told me exactly where in the revs the stand off was occuring, i thought this was really clever of him as he wasn't even there at the dyno session,lol.
i took the advice of the man with the same name as you and made up some long inlet ram pipes, and hey presto stand of takes a vacation,
so i use said cam in engine for a few drag events with fantastic results and during the course of 1999 happen to bump into the man with the same name as you at Silverstone mini 40 ,
ring any bells,lol
carl
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JC T ONE
122 posts
63 months
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David Vizard
Original Poster
99 posts
18 months
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fastcarl said: Hi david, there are one or two mini owners that are sticking to NA and still running very serpectable power and times here in the uk, but the real quick minis are all turbocharged[its the future you know] lol.
Take myself for instance,way back in late 98 i callud up a guy in the states who had the same name as you,coincidence?, i was looking for a one off nitrous cam for my 5 port as the 296 cam i was using was just not allowing the kind of power needed to go really quick,
The guy with the same name as you asked all kinds of questions about valve size, cc, exhaust,carburation and CR. and assured me that the cam he would spec out would do the business, i beleived him so sent off the relevent monies and info and i eventually received through a third party the camshaft i had egerly awaited,
having received said cam and installing it in my rebuild engine for the new 99 season i had real bad trouble with stand off, i called up the guy in the states who had the same name as you,who told me exactly where in the revs the stand off was occuring, i thought this was really clever of him as he wasn't even there at the dyno session,lol.
i took the advice of the man with the same name as you and made up some long inlet ram pipes, and hey presto stand of takes a vacation,
so i use said cam in engine for a few drag events with fantastic results and during the course of 1999 happen to bump into the man with the same name as you at Silverstone mini 40 ,
ring any bells,lol
carl
Carl, what a fascinating post. Sadly though some 13 years have gone by and I barely remember who I met 13 weeks ago. Now if it was dyno test numbers ----
DV
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JC T ONE
122 posts
63 months
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David Vizard
Original Poster
99 posts
18 months
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It seems to me that the real performance issue here is getting a gearbox to take the crushing torque output possible with a turbo. I have to admit my knowledge of current transmission tech is weak at best. What are the best possible choices for a tranny if I was to build a Turbo mini?? Some help please guys. David Vizard
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GingerWizard
4,613 posts
68 months
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David Vizard said: It seems to me that the real performance issue here is getting a gearbox to take the crushing torque output possible with a turbo. I have to admit my knowledge of current transmission tech is weak at best. What are the best possible choices for a tranny if I was to build a Turbo mini?? Some help please guys. David Vizard miniwilliams probably has the answers you seek, as king of the A series Turbo mini (his car is legendary tbh) but i doubt you will find anyone more competant then these two companys, http://www.kad-uk.com/http://www.med-engineering.co.uk/They really are at the cutting edge of product development. I would love to see what you come up with DV...
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ivanhoew
281 posts
111 months
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David Vizard said: It seems to me that the real performance issue here is getting a gearbox to take the crushing torque output possible with a turbo. I have to admit my knowledge of current transmission tech is weak at best. What are the best possible choices for a tranny if I was to build a Turbo mini?? Some help please guys. David Vizard hi david , transmission wise ,heres what i have found at 248.7 bhp on a a plus box ...,some of it a bit contrary to popular opinion . running through the drive train from the bottom up , the diff pin welds itself to the planet gears ,then rotates and digests the roll pin ,then the whole assembly rotates in the diff carrier...this all needs to be replaced with a 4 pin diff ,i use the one from min-its . eg  or you can go to the expense of a quaife atb ,or a plate type from trannex or mini spares etc . the helical gearbox strips the teeth from 3rd gear and the 1st motion gear ,and leaves you with a box of teeth in the bottom and 4 stripped gears ,note this is on falken treaded tyres ,not grippy yok's. eg  solution ,i fitted the trannex clubman set ,straight cut ,with a 2.58 1st gear .first is a bit high for a 3.1:diff , but bearable . now drop gears , i think i am the only one in the over 200 bhp elite lol using a helical gearset still , this has been fine and caused no problems ,this is quite contrary to accepted opinion ,generally from those who have no experience of running this sort of power. here they are after a few years of abuse  clutches .. well the normal thing to do used to be to run a grey cover or double grey ,and replace the thrust bearings every now and again due to the heavy loads put on the crank.. i then designed and built a twin spring verto clutch ,this is now used by most of the top bhp mini's,and seems to have solved the thrusts problem ,you may have read of them under the name 'rts' clutch ,egotistically standing for 'robert twin spring '(embarrised icon here! ) some have made thier own ,and some have asked me to make them ,both the fastest rd mini (12.5s 120 mph 1/4 mile nic rizzardini) and the most powerfull a series(16v,310 bhp john kimmens)...run my own bespoke clutches .so i think they are a proven solution . lastly ,the bearing in the primary gear ,i run the floating bush ,and this HAS got well hot in the gear ,showing a sublte pinkish tinge and a few stripes ... i would say this is handling a fair bit more than its design spec ! generally 3rd gear is the gear that breaks ,i think i may have been a little easier on my box than those running relly grippy yokohamas ,and lsd diffs, i run a best of 2.32 60 ft and .767 g in 2nd gear on 23 lbs of boost ,they car is still wheelspinning at 70 mph on a grippy avon park track ,as data logged . those with lsd 's etc can run anywhere from 1.95 to 2.2 60 fts ,which knocks a fair bit more off the overall time . regards robert
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Furyblade_Lee
3,112 posts
94 months
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Robert, fantastic reading and a great insight. And my 120bhp a-series seems pathetic now.
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ivanhoew
281 posts
111 months
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Furyblade_Lee said: Robert, fantastic reading and a great insight. And my 120bhp a-series seems pathetic now. thanks lee ... i thought i was talking to myself lol.
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FWDRacer
2,868 posts
94 months
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Someones off to write another book. "The Turbo Charged A-Series and its Transmission Requirements".
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camelotr
523 posts
38 months
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Realworld experiences are always worthy.
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David Vizard
Original Poster
99 posts
18 months
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Well Ivanhoew, I must admit you have given me hope for that 12 second street Mini I have lusted after for - well for a long time. All I need now is some time in the UK to build the SOB.
Still could be the Swiftune may just tip the scales here and make it possible!! No more tantalizing for now but - as they say - watch this space. DV
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ivanhoew
281 posts
111 months
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David Vizard said: Well Ivanhoew, I must admit you have given me hope for that 12 second street Mini I have lusted after for - well for a long time. All I need now is some time in the UK to build the SOB.
Still could be the Swiftune may just tip the scales here and make it possible!! No more tantalizing for now but - as they say - watch this space. DV hi david , its robert ( bob hattons mate ?) .we spoke on go fast news about my fiat 16v head conversion on the a series.  
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