How fast is a quick mini?
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Chris71 said:
GURU_1071 said:
they would either offer to buy it cheap, or just buy the screen! (which are very rare and expensive). i do wonder if this a tatic employed to ensure the price of them remains low??
Surely not??
Hmm, either way I think I'm more inclined to go for a K3. The question is would it send me in to the hedge? Everyone says 'with relatively little power and the engine in the back, all you'll get is unstopable lift off oversteer'
I found the handling of mine to be extremly good, I drove it all year round for about 2 years and never even came close to landing in a hedge.
Chris71 said:
GURU_1071 said:
they would either offer to buy it cheap, or just buy the screen! (which are very rare and expensive). i do wonder if this a tatic employed to ensure the price of them remains low??
Surely not??
Hmm, either way I think I'm more inclined to go for a K3. The question is would it send me in to the hedge? Everyone says 'with relatively little power and the engine in the back, all you'll get is unstopable lift off oversteer'
ive a couple of customers who own coupes who have encountered this attitude from the gtm club.
including one guy who actually had a club member turn up to view a car for sale, pulled it to bits as a pathetic example, who then told him it was worth more in bits.
he then offered money for just the screen!
pooh said:
Chris71 said:
GURU_1071 said:
they would either offer to buy it cheap, or just buy the screen! (which are very rare and expensive). i do wonder if this a tatic employed to ensure the price of them remains low??
Surely not??
Hmm, either way I think I'm more inclined to go for a K3. The question is would it send me in to the hedge? Everyone says 'with relatively little power and the engine in the back, all you'll get is unstopable lift off oversteer'
I found the handling of mine to be extremly good, I drove it all year round for about 2 years and never even came close to landing in a hedge.
Hi Pooh,
Yours was a coupe rather than a K3?
Did you have much of a chance to play around with the 'limit handling'?
Would really like to find out more about them and can't really go round throwing other peoples cars around too much on a test drive, so I'm kind of dependant on what people say to gauge whether or not I'd survive GTM ownership!
If you drive like a t!t anything will put you in a hedge. Public roads and all that...
Seriously my Brothers GTM Coupe was like a Go-Kart and the limits were very high due to the Mid Engined configuration - He never binned it in 8yrs of motoring (as a daily driver!). Track day'd it at Castle Combe and never spun it etc... he was on 155/70/12 section tyres, adding up to smooth predictable break away charcteristcs. The GTM factory recommended 13" with Metro Turbo rubber 165/60/13 all round or 185/60/13 at the rear.
The Rossa K3 is the Rossa Re-engineered to take K-Series Rover Metro running gear (Original was A-Series). It is quite capable of taking all K-variants up to and icluding a 1.8 K which is very tuneable unit and will give you plenty of Horsepower (reliably) providing you fit a Triple layer head gasket and sort of the cooling circuit.
Seriously my Brothers GTM Coupe was like a Go-Kart and the limits were very high due to the Mid Engined configuration - He never binned it in 8yrs of motoring (as a daily driver!). Track day'd it at Castle Combe and never spun it etc... he was on 155/70/12 section tyres, adding up to smooth predictable break away charcteristcs. The GTM factory recommended 13" with Metro Turbo rubber 165/60/13 all round or 185/60/13 at the rear.
The Rossa K3 is the Rossa Re-engineered to take K-Series Rover Metro running gear (Original was A-Series). It is quite capable of taking all K-variants up to and icluding a 1.8 K which is very tuneable unit and will give you plenty of Horsepower (reliably) providing you fit a Triple layer head gasket and sort of the cooling circuit.
Mine was a coupe, with the quick steering it was very like a go-cart and very easy to catch if you did loose it, it had sticky Yokohama tyres on and and would corner at insane speeds in the dry. It would go round roundabouts so fast that it would catch other drivers out. It was great fun but very unreliable partly due to heat build up in the engine bay causing failure of the starter motor and other components. crash safety is about nil because of the fuel tank being in the front and that is part of the reason I sold it.
Edited by pooh on Thursday 19th October 16:32
fwdracer said:
If you drive like a t!t anything will put you in a hedge. Public roads and all that...
Seriously my Brothers GTM Coupe was like a Go-Kart and the limits were very high due to the Mid Engined configuration - He never binned it in 8yrs of motoring (as a daily driver!). Track day'd it at Castle Combe and never spun it etc... he was on 155/70/12 section tyres, adding up to smooth predictable break away charcteristcs. The GTM factory recommended 13" with Metro Turbo rubber 165/60/13 all round or 185/60/13 at the rear.
The Rossa K3 is the Rossa Re-engineered to take K-Series Rover Metro running gear (Original was A-Series). It is quite capable of taking all K-variants up to and icluding a 1.8 K which is very tuneable unit and will give you plenty of Horsepower (reliably) providing you fit a Triple layer head gasket and sort of the cooling circuit.
Seriously my Brothers GTM Coupe was like a Go-Kart and the limits were very high due to the Mid Engined configuration - He never binned it in 8yrs of motoring (as a daily driver!). Track day'd it at Castle Combe and never spun it etc... he was on 155/70/12 section tyres, adding up to smooth predictable break away charcteristcs. The GTM factory recommended 13" with Metro Turbo rubber 165/60/13 all round or 185/60/13 at the rear.
The Rossa K3 is the Rossa Re-engineered to take K-Series Rover Metro running gear (Original was A-Series). It is quite capable of taking all K-variants up to and icluding a 1.8 K which is very tuneable unit and will give you plenty of Horsepower (reliably) providing you fit a Triple layer head gasket and sort of the cooling circuit.
was your brothers the yellow one that used to race at harewood?
hi im new to the forum and u thought i might tell you that i have a gtm rossa with a 1275 mg metro engine
as far as oversteer is involved you would have to be thrashig it very hard to lose it in the dry but in the wet it can get more "hairy" ie the front wheels can easily lock up under braking and you can slide the rear out round roundabouts
i use the car as my only car and although i don't do much drivng they can be quite pratical (for a small mid engined car) although the steering needs getting used to as it is very heavy when parking but way too light above 50mph
ive only got this car because im 18 and its the only car i can get insurance on for £500 which for a new driver is very reasonable
doug
as far as oversteer is involved you would have to be thrashig it very hard to lose it in the dry but in the wet it can get more "hairy" ie the front wheels can easily lock up under braking and you can slide the rear out round roundabouts
i use the car as my only car and although i don't do much drivng they can be quite pratical (for a small mid engined car) although the steering needs getting used to as it is very heavy when parking but way too light above 50mph
ive only got this car because im 18 and its the only car i can get insurance on for £500 which for a new driver is very reasonable
doug
What sort of power do you want? Do you want high revs (8K), and high bhp, but maybe less torque, or a more sluggish engine with higher torque? I have a 150 bhp N/A A+ series, which will rev to 8.5k, and makes 85-90 lbfts from 4k to 7.5k. It's very fast in my mini; 0-60 in roughly 5/5.5, and tops out at 110, but only due to the gearing. It will reach peak power in 4th easily up hill and down. However, it's not the most usable engine in the world! It's a 1338 semi short stroke job, whilst without the short stroking it would be 1380, with less revs and more torque, and probably more usable day to day. However, if you want a mental weekend engine it works well.
kirsty5150 said:
What sort of power do you want? Do you want high revs (8K), and high bhp, but maybe less torque, or a more sluggish engine with higher torque? I have a 150 bhp N/A A+ series, which will rev to 8.5k, and makes 85-90 lbfts from 4k to 7.5k. It's very fast in my mini; 0-60 in roughly 5/5.5, and tops out at 110, but only due to the gearing. It will reach peak power in 4th easily up hill and down. However, it's not the most usable engine in the world! It's a 1338 semi short stroke job, whilst without the short stroking it would be 1380, with less revs and more torque, and probably more usable day to day. However, if you want a mental weekend engine it works well.
What is the final drive and the first gear ratio?
Mine tops out at 110 at about 7000. 6 blade fan sounds insane
(Got to get rid of that! ) 1338 cc, off set ground A+ crank 73mm/1380 cc bore. I can't remember how large the valves are, but they look like this:
The cam is one of the old(ish) Crane/APT cams, the VP3C. It's sold as a fast road/rally cam too! Otherwise it has the usual bits, large bore exhaust, and a special inlet set up, consisting of a 48 IDA webber on a special manifold, which looks like this:
The cam is one of the old(ish) Crane/APT cams, the VP3C. It's sold as a fast road/rally cam too! Otherwise it has the usual bits, large bore exhaust, and a special inlet set up, consisting of a 48 IDA webber on a special manifold, which looks like this:
Can't remember what 1st is, but the bx came out of a Metro Turbo Cup car! So 1st is quite long, otherwise the box is fairly standard ratio wise. It is straight cut, as are the drops. The FD is roughly 3.1, again, I've not played with mini's in a while, so can't remember a lot of the more technical details. The fan is still an old plastic 6 blade one, but you can't hear it. Very loud from the front end, and just as nosy from the back!
Chris71 said:
Thats impressive - I got more replies on here than the GTM forum!!
Anyone driven a GTM Rossa or K3?
Hmmm, slightly worried by continual references to 'very' rear engined handling. Quite happy with front engined RWD, but wonder if this is going to send me into the hedge
Anyone driven a GTM Rossa or K3?
Hmmm, slightly worried by continual references to 'very' rear engined handling. Quite happy with front engined RWD, but wonder if this is going to send me into the hedge
GIve pierscoe1 an email. He used to have a Rossa.
limegreennutter said:
My old KAD engined Mini would do 14s 1/4's
As did mine, my brothers 5 port 1380 ran a VP8C back in the day (a wilder cam than the VP3 but i'm sure you know that) and made 130hp on aldon's rollers...where my 1380 KAD twincam on L14's made 159hp at 7600 about 5 months ago.
Sounds like a great engine you have there but there is no way in a month of sundays you have 150hp, don't believe the hype
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