How fast is a quick mini?
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danwebster said:
It was done with a KAD 16 valver running a 5.3 (4.9fd on 1.08drops) diff on a 6speed gearbox, redlining at 9200, pulling hard from 4000. Theres a reason they're expensive, they're fvcking awesome.
5.3 diff - that is mad. Do you mean a 5.3 or 4.9 crown wheel / pinion? So not really much MINI in that car then!
Years ago a Bloke I worked with (MARK Sealey where are you now ? ) had build a space framed Car with Lancia Twin Cam and ORIGINAL GTM bodyshell. He wouldn't buy the GTM chassis because he said it was naff, and having a 1st in Mechanical engineering from City University and being a Brake / Chassis Design Engineer at Lucas I have no reason to doubt that. Anyway His had about 180 BHP, cornered so hard in the dry that he lost his first engine via oil starvation and had a top end of 140 plus (in a car built in a barn) Acceleration was silly.
I'm thinking there are better cheaper ways of getting a lightweight 130 BHP pls than an old A series ?
I'm thinking there are better cheaper ways of getting a lightweight 130 BHP pls than an old A series ?
jacko lah said:
Years ago a Bloke I worked with (MARK Sealy where are you now ? ) had build a space framed Car with Lancia Twin Cam and ORIGINAL GTM bodyshell. He wouldn't buy the GTM chassis because he said it was naff, and having a 1st in Mechanical engineering from City University and being a Brake / Chassis Design Engineer at Lucas I have no reason to doubt that. Anyway His had about 180 BHP, cornered so hard in the dry that he lost his first engine via oil starvation and had a top end of 140 plus (in a car built in a barn) Acceleration was silly.
I'm thinking there are better cheaper ways of getting a lightweight 130 BHP pls than an old A series ?
I'm thinking there are better cheaper ways of getting a lightweight 130 BHP pls than an old A series ?
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i used to have a mini which i had the engine rebuilt, it was an mg metro lump and gear box so it had a 3.44 diff. The engine was very nicely tuned to 110bhp and 100lbft. I used to keep up with my mates clio williams to around 120mph which was around my top speed. So thats around 7-8secs to 60 id guess. Wasnt the fastest thing on the roads but it sure was fun! The noise from the webber dcoe carb was what did it for me!
toady1 said:
The noise from the webber dcoe carb was what did it for me!
I know that sound well. Used to have a 1071 with a single 45, trumpets coming through the bulkhead where the speedo would normally be. Built the motor while I was supposed to be studying for my A Levels many years ago.
i used to have a mini which i had the engine rebuilt, it was an mg metro lump and gear box so it had a 3.44 diff. The engine was very nicely tuned to 110bhp and 100lbft. I used to keep up with my mates clio williams to around 120mph which was around my top speed. So thats around 7-8secs to 60 id guess. Wasnt the fastest thing on the roads but it sure was fun! The noise from the webber dcoe carb was what did it for me!
No chance you kept up to 120mph, i have a 110bhp hillclimb/sprint mini and a clio williams 3 and the clio EASILY pulls away after 80mph.
No chance you kept up to 120mph, i have a 110bhp hillclimb/sprint mini and a clio williams 3 and the clio EASILY pulls away after 80mph.
im not lying. My mini was very quick for a mini to be fair. it wouldnt possibly go any faster than 120 . tbh it wasnt happy doing much over 100 with the diff. But it did keep up with my friends clio. I wouldnt have liked to keep it there, so it didnt last long!lol! But his car would cruise along way easier than mine. Not really built for speed minis!lol!
The clios you race are no doubt, race prepped, lighter than the measly weight they are std, and prob tuned too! His car was std, and with heavy ICE stuff in it. So im not surprised they beat you in hill climbing. They are a nice little car and handle well too. clio will no doubt pull away at high speeds due to the aerodynamics of a mini. now, it did happen im not telling porkies, he did however have 2 more passengers than me!ha ha!
Anyway i wasnt replying to brag, it was to answer the question of how fast is a fast mini, so I gave my 2 pennies worth on a tuned a-series mini. To 60ish it was as quick as the clio, which in my mind now after the cars ive owned since isnt quick. But for a mini that started life with a 38bhp engine, isnt bad going. Thanks.
The clios you race are no doubt, race prepped, lighter than the measly weight they are std, and prob tuned too! His car was std, and with heavy ICE stuff in it. So im not surprised they beat you in hill climbing. They are a nice little car and handle well too. clio will no doubt pull away at high speeds due to the aerodynamics of a mini. now, it did happen im not telling porkies, he did however have 2 more passengers than me!ha ha!
Anyway i wasnt replying to brag, it was to answer the question of how fast is a fast mini, so I gave my 2 pennies worth on a tuned a-series mini. To 60ish it was as quick as the clio, which in my mind now after the cars ive owned since isnt quick. But for a mini that started life with a 38bhp engine, isnt bad going. Thanks.
Edited by toady1 on Wednesday 14th February 23:46
Well if the clio was carrying others and ice they will be close, my clio is standard and the mini is full med engine (said 110bhp but should be more) with dog box etc running a 4.1 cw ratio and it can beat the clio fine up to 80 but once the mini's aerodynamics kick in its all over. The clio also needs 3rd for 60 which makes it seem slower on paper than in real life.
Edited by vts_saxo on Thursday 15th February 13:22
Unfortunately I no longer own that car, it was (and still is) a KAD 16 valver.
The mini power vid you mention should have featured my brothers KAD 16 valver, however at the time it was in pieces so my brother pointed the producers in the direction of Nick Crush, whose KAD 16 valve mini (not JKD i'm afraid) featured on the vid in the end.
He got justice last year though when his mini featured on the Ultimate mini extreme dvd, up against a selection of Vauxhall, Honda, K series, front and rear bike engined minis and managed to beat each and every one of them around the circuit.
Carl - I had a feeling that would raise a smile from you!
The mini power vid you mention should have featured my brothers KAD 16 valver, however at the time it was in pieces so my brother pointed the producers in the direction of Nick Crush, whose KAD 16 valve mini (not JKD i'm afraid) featured on the vid in the end.
He got justice last year though when his mini featured on the Ultimate mini extreme dvd, up against a selection of Vauxhall, Honda, K series, front and rear bike engined minis and managed to beat each and every one of them around the circuit.
Carl - I had a feeling that would raise a smile from you!
danwebster said:
The mini power vid you mention should have featured my brothers KAD 16 valver, however at the time it was in pieces so my brother pointed the producers in the direction of Nick Crush, whose KAD 16 valve mini (not JKD i'm afraid) featured on the vid in the end.
Nick still sprints his car down at Lydden Hill in Kent, he keeps popping up in our class and using his considerable power advantage to put us all in our place!
Chris_w said:
danwebster said:
The mini power vid you mention should have featured my brothers KAD 16 valver, however at the time it was in pieces so my brother pointed the producers in the direction of Nick Crush, whose KAD 16 valve mini (not JKD i'm afraid) featured on the vid in the end.
Nick still sprints his car down at Lydden Hill in Kent, he keeps popping up in our class and using his considerable power advantage to put us all in our place!
what power advantage???, surely not a power to weight advantage,lol.
carl
fastcarl said:
Chris_w said:
danwebster said:
The mini power vid you mention should have featured my brothers KAD 16 valver, however at the time it was in pieces so my brother pointed the producers in the direction of Nick Crush, whose KAD 16 valve mini (not JKD i'm afraid) featured on the vid in the end.
Nick still sprints his car down at Lydden Hill in Kent, he keeps popping up in our class and using his considerable power advantage to put us all in our place!
what power advantage???, surely not a power to weight advantage,lol.
carl
Not even sure - Nick was very coy when asked what his car was producing! But a fair bit more than our 100 horses I'll bet...
fastcarl said:
you need to find some rollers where the place run race cars for one make series, these are always kept caliberated to ensure any cars they tune prior to a meeting are making the power they are supposed to, the only way they would know is to have very accurate rollers, just like GRV did in littleborough , but sadly no more...
GRV are no more? That's a great shame.
Ten years or so ago I had a Vauxhall Nova Sport, which was basically an 8 valve 1.3 with a big manifold and a pair of 40DCOEs, available as a limited edition dealer option. It was a very quick little car, and down the pub people used to reckon they developed > 110bhp etc etc. Mine was a really sweet running example and when GRV set it up for me I was intrigued to see it was pushing out just 59bhp at the wheels, which brought a wry smile to my face!
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