Disapointed in the new Range Rover :(
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My wife had a P38. It was a dog. It dumped her too many times. As a result, she now drives a Toyota Landcrusier V8 (and an Amazon before that). She won't countenance ever having a Land Rover product again.
I have had a 4.4 (BMW petrol), 4.2 S/C and currently a 4.4TDV8. None have been bad (in fact the current Toyota has had more faults than my last two Rangies) more niggles than anything. I did just have the starter go on the TDV8 which is the most expensive thing to have ever failed (a £500 job once we'd fiddled about trying to identify the intermittent problem).
I have had a 4.4 (BMW petrol), 4.2 S/C and currently a 4.4TDV8. None have been bad (in fact the current Toyota has had more faults than my last two Rangies) more niggles than anything. I did just have the starter go on the TDV8 which is the most expensive thing to have ever failed (a £500 job once we'd fiddled about trying to identify the intermittent problem).
AstonZagato said:
My wife had a P38. It was a dog. It dumped her too many times. As a result, she now drives a Toyota Landcrusier V8 (and an Amazon before that). She won't countenance ever having a Land Rover product again.
I have had a 4.4 (BMW petrol), 4.2 S/C and currently a 4.4TDV8. None have been bad (in fact the current Toyota has had more faults than my last two Rangies) more niggles than anything. I did just have the starter go on the TDV8 which is the most expensive thing to have ever failed (a £500 job once we'd fiddled about trying to identify the intermittent problem).
Sounds exactly the same as our TDV8, sometimes it would start, other times it wouldn't. IMHO not bad in 60k miles though!I have had a 4.4 (BMW petrol), 4.2 S/C and currently a 4.4TDV8. None have been bad (in fact the current Toyota has had more faults than my last two Rangies) more niggles than anything. I did just have the starter go on the TDV8 which is the most expensive thing to have ever failed (a £500 job once we'd fiddled about trying to identify the intermittent problem).
Clivey said:
unrepentant said:
No mention of the data points used and the usual Daily Mail sensationalism. BlackGT3 said:
No mention of the data points used and the usual Daily Mail sensationalism.
The data was from the What Car Reliability Survey (Latest one here)unrepentant said:
The Daily Wail link in the post above was not mine, it was "Cliveys". Perhaps you can repost it correctly? I would not want people to think I read that rag....
Think of it as light entertainment.
... Sorry for the delay in my arrival to this thread .... I've just got in from thoroughly enjoying driving my new Range Rover, which I guess is where all the other people still are and why this thread is seeming so one sided and full of negative points.
I test drove a 3.0 and the 4.4 diesels ... Both of which I personally felt did not have the power I wanted, coming from my old SC RRS .. So you know what I did ?? ... Rather than buying one of those and then moaning about it ... I ordered myself a 5.0 SC version and now it's arrived I think it's absolutely fantastic.
If a bit of trim is hanging off ... Do I come on here and moan about it ... Then admit to pulling the thing off myself ... No ... I don't pull the thing off in the first place ... And if I was so daft to do so, I certainly wouldn't take a picture of it and post it one here moaning about the car.
We seem to be forgetting that the new RR is a FAR more capable machine and therefore twice as technically complicated than an X5, ML etc.
I admit (for the purposes of a balanced view) that the parking sensors failed and caused a scratched rear bumper ... Where I reversed into a wall as I'd become too reliant on the sensors and the camera was dirty and it was at night ... So was my fault really).
Land Rover repaired the sensors and repaired the bumper as a goodwill gesture without any issue.
Other than that, I've had the car for 4-5 months now and I think it's a blo*dy fantastic machine! the ride is perfect! the power of the 5.0 engine is very quick for the weight of the car and all in all ... I'll be ordering another as IMHO it makes the other offerings fade into the background.
So there !!
I test drove a 3.0 and the 4.4 diesels ... Both of which I personally felt did not have the power I wanted, coming from my old SC RRS .. So you know what I did ?? ... Rather than buying one of those and then moaning about it ... I ordered myself a 5.0 SC version and now it's arrived I think it's absolutely fantastic.
If a bit of trim is hanging off ... Do I come on here and moan about it ... Then admit to pulling the thing off myself ... No ... I don't pull the thing off in the first place ... And if I was so daft to do so, I certainly wouldn't take a picture of it and post it one here moaning about the car.
We seem to be forgetting that the new RR is a FAR more capable machine and therefore twice as technically complicated than an X5, ML etc.
I admit (for the purposes of a balanced view) that the parking sensors failed and caused a scratched rear bumper ... Where I reversed into a wall as I'd become too reliant on the sensors and the camera was dirty and it was at night ... So was my fault really).
Land Rover repaired the sensors and repaired the bumper as a goodwill gesture without any issue.
Other than that, I've had the car for 4-5 months now and I think it's a blo*dy fantastic machine! the ride is perfect! the power of the 5.0 engine is very quick for the weight of the car and all in all ... I'll be ordering another as IMHO it makes the other offerings fade into the background.
So there !!
Well....I didn't get a penny off mine, and boy did I try.
I've just done a 1050 mile trip, none stop, keeping the speed below 85 resulted in 35 mpg, once into France the average speed crept up and mpg down to 28.
Cracking car for long distances, after a panamera it's just a little wallowy on fast manoeuvres .
I've just done a 1050 mile trip, none stop, keeping the speed below 85 resulted in 35 mpg, once into France the average speed crept up and mpg down to 28.
Cracking car for long distances, after a panamera it's just a little wallowy on fast manoeuvres .
S1M VP said:
...this thread is seeming so one sided and full of negative points.
Not really, once the (major) suspension fault and other annoying bits were fixed, I'm loving mine (try reading page 2 as well).S1M VP said:
I test drove a 3.0 and the 4.4 diesels ... Both of which I personally felt did not have the power I wanted, coming from my old SC RRS .. So you know what I did ?? ... Rather than buying one of those and then moaning about it ... I ordered myself a 5.0 SC version and now it's arrived I think it's absolutely fantastic.
I think you'll find most people, myself included, feel the 4.4 is sufficient in power and actually a great compromise between economy and 'grunt'. If you read the thread you'll realise this.S1M VP said:
If a bit of trim is hanging off ... Do I come on here and moan about it ... Then admit to pulling the thing off myself ... No ... I don't pull the thing off in the first place ... And if I was so daft to do so, I certainly wouldn't take a picture of it and post it one here moaning about the car.
But it was more than that, it was a complete suspension failure. My view is that people sharing experiences are what makes PH such an excellent forum. You should relax a little and go with the flow..S1M VP said:
We seem to be forgetting that the new RR is a FAR more capable machine and therefore twice as technically complicated than an X5, ML etc.
I think your conclusion is flawed, the X5 is easily as 'complicated' as the RR. You should drive the new ugly x5, it's very impressive and it's technology is outstanding. Still a complete pig to look at though.S1M VP said:
I admit (for the purposes of a balanced view) that the parking sensors failed and caused a scratched rear bumper ... Where I reversed into a wall as I'd become too reliant on the sensors and the camera was dirty and it was at night ... So was my fault really).
Land Rover repaired the sensors and repaired the bumper as a goodwill gesture without any issue.
Ah, so you've joined many of us as a victim of the LR electronics bug, now if you'd posted this issue and the resolution on PH I doubt many people would have called you daft.Land Rover repaired the sensors and repaired the bumper as a goodwill gesture without any issue.
S1M VP said:
Other than that, I've had the car for 4-5 months now and I think it's a blo*dy fantastic machine! the ride is perfect! the power of the 5.0 engine is very quick for the weight of the car and all in all ... I'll be ordering another as IMHO it makes the other offerings fade into the background.
So there !!
So there!! double, x 100, to infinity!!
Okay, bit of an update on the FFRR.
I've now done over 35,000km. Car has been on some very long trips, used daily and recently flashed up for it's second service.
Overall the bodywork is holding up well, the paint quality is light years ahead of the Disco 3 we have. Still looks like new after a wash despite mileage.
Inside it's not fairing so well. There's two or three rattles, one being the slide out cover for the drinks holder. Cue a little piece of paper to hold it in place.
I don't think the rattles would be noticeable in most cars but the RR is so quiet inside (double glazing) that you do.
The transmission is a pain though and I swear it's become worse. When moving slowly through traffic it clunks in and out of gears and feels like a driveshaft is worn. I had a Freelander replacement car and the transmission in this feels much nicer.
Some other annoying things, if you're heading down a long steep hill and want to use some engine braking, pull back on the downshift paddle which engages manual overide and 4 times out of 5 drops you into the next lowest gear, great. However ever 20% or so it'll drop down 2 to 3 gears and redline the motor... worrying really because it's inconsistent.
Then there's the suspension, when cold it's got a weird characteristic. If you brake firmly the front left dips sharply, like it has a broken shock or spring. After about 10 minutes driving it doesn't do this anymore. Strange (and naturally) the dealer hasn't been able to replicate this. I do wonder if they think customers make this stuff up because we like killing time in a dealer service centre...
Oh, it was also leaking oil from a faulty intercooler hose, being repaired under warranty but I'd not really noticed this.
Oh Oh, I just remembered, the door seal is showing rust signs around it. Will try to get this replaced next service. But there again probably not as I think I'm going to offload it soon before depreciation sets in.
One last thing, fuel economy is great, I get 29 mpg which includes a lot of proper stop start city driving. Combined with the fact diesel here is cheaper than petrol means the car is actually really cheap to run.
I've now done over 35,000km. Car has been on some very long trips, used daily and recently flashed up for it's second service.
Overall the bodywork is holding up well, the paint quality is light years ahead of the Disco 3 we have. Still looks like new after a wash despite mileage.
Inside it's not fairing so well. There's two or three rattles, one being the slide out cover for the drinks holder. Cue a little piece of paper to hold it in place.
I don't think the rattles would be noticeable in most cars but the RR is so quiet inside (double glazing) that you do.
The transmission is a pain though and I swear it's become worse. When moving slowly through traffic it clunks in and out of gears and feels like a driveshaft is worn. I had a Freelander replacement car and the transmission in this feels much nicer.
Some other annoying things, if you're heading down a long steep hill and want to use some engine braking, pull back on the downshift paddle which engages manual overide and 4 times out of 5 drops you into the next lowest gear, great. However ever 20% or so it'll drop down 2 to 3 gears and redline the motor... worrying really because it's inconsistent.
Then there's the suspension, when cold it's got a weird characteristic. If you brake firmly the front left dips sharply, like it has a broken shock or spring. After about 10 minutes driving it doesn't do this anymore. Strange (and naturally) the dealer hasn't been able to replicate this. I do wonder if they think customers make this stuff up because we like killing time in a dealer service centre...
Oh, it was also leaking oil from a faulty intercooler hose, being repaired under warranty but I'd not really noticed this.
Oh Oh, I just remembered, the door seal is showing rust signs around it. Will try to get this replaced next service. But there again probably not as I think I'm going to offload it soon before depreciation sets in.
One last thing, fuel economy is great, I get 29 mpg which includes a lot of proper stop start city driving. Combined with the fact diesel here is cheaper than petrol means the car is actually really cheap to run.
Clivey said:
Hmmm...something doesn't ring true with some of the posts on this thread and I don't mean robm3's.
I've had 53 new Range Rovers since 1971 and the only problem I had was in 1986, when a small fly became trapped in the interior light. My local dealership sent a technician immediately, freed the fly and brought my wife a lovely bouquet to apologise for all the inconvenience. Other than that not a moment's trouble.Eleven said:
Clivey said:
Hmmm...something doesn't ring true with some of the posts on this thread and I don't mean robm3's.
I've had 53 new Range Rovers since 1971 and the only problem I had was in 1986, when a small fly became trapped in the interior light. My local dealership sent a technician immediately, freed the fly and brought my wife a lovely bouquet to apologise for all the inconvenience. Other than that not a moment's trouble.Eleven said:
I've had 53 new Range Rovers since 1971 and the only problem I had was in 1986, when a small fly became trapped in the interior light. My local dealership sent a technician immediately, freed the fly and brought my wife a lovely bouquet to apologise for all the inconvenience. Other than that not a moment's trouble.
See, electrics. It's always a problem with the electrics.Eleven said:
Clivey said:
Hmmm...something doesn't ring true with some of the posts on this thread and I don't mean robm3's.
I've had 53 new Range Rovers since 1971 and the only problem I had was in 1986, when a small fly became trapped in the interior light. My local dealership sent a technician immediately, freed the fly and brought my wife a lovely bouquet to apologise for all the inconvenience. Other than that not a moment's trouble.http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/02/land-rove...
robm3 said:
Seems to be a lot of flies in the USA... Land Rover dead last again in JD Power survey:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/02/land-rove...
Poorly written article that's a year out of date and proves little. 2.2 "faults" per vehicle reported, industry average a little less, most brands around 1.6. One of Land Rovers most common "faults" was the old 2 piece tailgate on the Sport. Owners who didn't shut it properly got a warning light and reported it as a fault. Problem solved by replacing it with a 1 piece powered unit. 2014 figure was 1.79 and LR not last, BMW Mini was. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/02/land-rove...
unrepentant said:
Poorly written article that's a year out of date and proves little. 2.2 "faults" per vehicle reported, industry average a little less, most brands around 1.6. One of Land Rovers most common "faults" was the old 2 piece tailgate on the Sport. Owners who didn't shut it properly got a warning light and reported it as a fault. Problem solved by replacing it with a 1 piece powered unit. 2014 figure was 1.79 and LR not last, BMW Mini was.
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