New Discovery Sport - Who's ordered?

[miavalentina]

I have a max of 25k to spend on a newish car, I have been looking at bmw 320 d GT (10k miles) and a top of range freelander 2 SG4(17k miles) for a couple thousand less. Now with it being hpi for 5 years or pcp for 4 averaging out same monthly payment I have a question regarding the depreciation and demand impact the new discovery sport will have . Should I invest in the freelander 2 or forget it based on the fact it won't be worth anything in 4/5 years time? I'm pretty sure the GT would be a good buy as the new model is only a year old, but I am partial to a freelander as I drove a couple and they are so easy and fun to drive.

[Earthdweller]

I was looking at a freelancer a few months ago . Got told that they were a very hard sell for dealers and with the new disco sport on the way it would not be a good place to put your own money.

I do really like them .. And having done the land rover experience in one .. I was really impressed.

I certainly wouldn't want to drop a lot of money into one.

I think, having seen the new sport it may cause the évoque some issues too. It is a fashion statement car and I can see the fickle orange Cheshire set jumping ship to the next cool car

[miavalentina]

You are right about the competition the evoque will have against the disco sport as the sales man said it's aimed at the same market in value and style sense. So yes brand new car purchasers are holding out for the new model and engines even which is definately having an impact on new freelander sales so yiu can get some bargains out there.
A few random not freelander sales men have said today there will always be a second hand buyers marker for freelander 2 , landrover today claimed there is no competition between freelander and new disco sport in the SECOND hand market, the people buying won't be new purchaser's and disco sports will be much more money even second hand. I think he's right and if anything I think if I buy a good model it's going to be a national treasure for those who either haven't got over 20 k or those who just don't like the new models.
I suppose we can look what has happened to other popular cars that ceased to be made but are still very sought after.

I personally am not interested in buying an evoque, I just don't like the look of them they look like squashed down range rovers .

[Triple7]

New/nearly new Freelanders maybe 'hard' to sell as they are probably awash with them at the moment as they have finished making them. But an older model further down the food chain has nothing to compare it with IMHO. I have owned my FL2 HSE auto from new and it is the comfiest most reliable car I have owned. If anyone wants mine come trade in March '15 for my new Disco Sport, then drop me a line!

[miavalentina]

How many miles have you done in it for it to be the most reliable?

[jamiesonmurray]

Triple7 said:

in March '15 for my new Disco Sport

What difference will be between getting one of the first ones and one when the reg changes? Just value come resale time? Will it be much?

When does the reg change and which reg will the first ones be? a "64"? before march and a "15" after?

i have had my order in for a while and I'm apparently 3rd in the list at my local dealer, so should get one at launch
but i work abroad and I’m planning a lot of snowboarding holidays this year and won't really be in the UK much until around the 14th of May,
so is it worth me "postponing my order"

I was thinking about holding of until the new engines arrive, but i've been told there only the lower powered 2wd versions, and i don't really need 7 seats, but they won't bring out a cheaper 5 seat version anytime soon will they?

i'm also considering not buying the DS and picking up a 3 year old Evoque when their residuals take a hit instead (will an Evoque dynamic be available at £20 to 25K anytime soon?

[Triple7]

miavalentina said:

How many miles have you done in it for it to be the most reliable?

53k

[Triple7]

jamiesonmurray said:

What difference will be between getting one of the first ones and one when the reg changes? Just value come resale time? Will it be much?

When does the reg change and which reg will the first ones be? a "64"? before march and a "15" after?

i have had my order in for a while and I'm apparently 3rd in the list at my local dealer, so should get one at launch
but i work abroad and I’m planning a lot of snowboarding holidays this year and won't really be in the UK much until around the 14th of May,
so is it worth me "postponing my order"

I was thinking about holding of until the new engines arrive, but i've been told there only the lower powered 2wd versions, and i don't really need 7 seats, but they won't bring out a cheaper 5 seat version anytime soon will they?

i'm also considering not buying the DS and picking up a 3 year old Evoque when their residuals take a hit instead (will an Evoque dynamic be available at £20 to 25K anytime soon?

New reg is 1st March on a '15 plate.

Agree, I don't need the 7 seats & would prefer the retractable towbar, but no can do at the mo. Agree the 5 seat & 2wd 2.0 new diesels will be for the cheaper variants maybe 6 months layer, maybe 12. Who knows. As for delaying order, I wouldn't dealer would have to submit build into the system when the think the car will turn up for you requested delivery dates. In the end if there is a surge in demand, you could have to wait a long time. If I were you I would ask them to keep your car unregistered until you need it. They would want to be paid, so would depend on your relationship...

[Phil.]

jamiesonmurray said:

i'm also considering not buying the DS and picking up a 3 year old Evoque when their residuals take a hit instead (will an Evoque dynamic be available at £20 to 25K anytime soon?

Dealers are offering average mileage 3 year old Evoques for around £33k presently and I had a £31k trade in offer for mine a couple of months ago from a dealer, so it will be a while before they are £20k-£25k.

[jamiesonmurray]

Triple7 said:

As for delaying order, I wouldn't dealer would have to submit build into the system when the think the car will turn up for you requested delivery dates. In the end if there is a surge in demand, you could have to wait a long time. If I were you I would ask them to keep your car unregistered until you need it. They would want to be paid, so would depend on your relationship...

I have just had an email today from my dealer stating the order system is now live and can i send him my colour and spec choices,
trouble is, i wanted to see one in the flesh first, they'll have one to look at in a week or two, but i'm stuck out at sea, and the internet connection here on the ship is so bad, there is no way the configurator will load up,

" I used to be indecisive,, but now i'm not so sure"

[burwoodman]

Would someone be kind enough to advise the dimensions of this compared to something like a Q5/Evoque.

[smudger911]

jamiesonmurray said:

Triple7 said:

As for delaying order, I wouldn't dealer would have to submit build into the system when the think the car will turn up for you requested delivery dates. In the end if there is a surge in demand, you could have to wait a long time. If I were you I would ask them to keep your car unregistered until you need it. They would want to be paid, so would depend on your relationship...

I have just had an email today from my dealer stating the order system is now live and can i send him my colour and spec choices,
trouble is, i wanted to see one in the flesh first, they'll have one to look at in a week or two, but i'm stuck out at sea, and the internet connection here on the ship is so bad, there is no way the configurator will load up,

" I used to be indecisive,, but now i'm not so sure"

Once ordered there is always some leeway to changing your spec or cancelling.
Mine is spec'd and a confirmed order tho I haven't driven or seen one in the flesh. That said we are booked for an extended test drive 19th Dec so any fine tuning to the order will take place post the drive.

[forest172]

They`ve just moved the build dates back for starting apparently. Dealer now said first cars will be at dealers after 20th Feb. They have 6 cars on first batch. 2 of which are demos and 4 customer cars. Which one is mine. My dealer has 35 orders, and expects lead times to be massive once they`re released

Don`t have to give my final build spec until start of Jan 2015. Just the fact I`m having Auto HSE

[jamiebae]

Phil. said:

jamiesonmurray said:

i'm also considering not buying the DS and picking up a 3 year old Evoque when their residuals take a hit instead (will an Evoque dynamic be available at £20 to 25K anytime soon?

Dealers are offering average mileage 3 year old Evoques for around £33k presently and I had a £31k trade in offer for mine a couple of months ago from a dealer, so it will be a while before they are £20k-£25k.

It's amazing the prices Evoques seem to command used in the UK. I bought mine a few weeks back, a December 2011 registered Si4 Prestige with 29k km on the clock from an LR dealer in central Zurich and paid the equivalent of £27k for it. Most used cars here cost loads more than in Britain, but Evoques seem cheaper for some reason.

[Phil.]

Like the new video of the DS. Same colour as my order but I also have the Black Pack with black wheels and other bits:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/heq142be7yg

[smudger911]

Phil. said:

Like the new video of the DS. Same colour as my order but I also have the Black Pack with black wheels and other bits:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/heq142be7yg

Yep, that's pretty good and gives a good overview of the whole package and looks very much like a smaller RR Sport.

Looking forward to driving one in the next couple of weeks.

On that note, has anyone driven the Macan S Diesel?

[Triple7]

smudger911 said:

Yep, that's pretty good and gives a good overview of the whole package and looks very much like a smaller RR Sport.

Looking forward to driving one in the next couple of weeks.

On that note, has anyone driven the Macan S Diesel?

Yes, I own one, but I'm pretty confident the DS cannot be compared to the Macan. We are looking to replace our FL2 with the DS and expecting it to be a much more refined product to the one we drive now. On the other hand, the Macan is a proper SUV which is actual Sporting, but on the DS it is merely a name and in JLR speak is used to term a more basic/functional model, over say a RR or the soon to be Discovery replacement.

Test drive in DS in Jan '15.

[smudger911]

Triple7 said:

Yes, I own one, but I'm pretty confident the DS cannot be compared to the Macan. We are looking to replace our FL2 with the DS and expecting it to be a much more refined product to the one we drive now. On the other hand, the Macan is a proper SUV which is actual Sporting, but on the DS it is merely a name and in JLR speak is used to term a more basic/functional model, over say a RR or the soon to be Discovery replacement.

Test drive in DS in Jan '15.

Triple, that's good feedback and I would agree the outgoing FL2 (imo having had 3) was / is crying out for some refinement. Engine, road noise and handling being the main areas.

Our order is for a DS HSE, the equiv Macan S is approximately another 8 ~ 9k so probably time for a drive of the Macan to see the difference - and see if the dogs fit in the back

[Triple7]

For us the Macan is just to nice to trash with dogs & kids. We need something cheaper & more utilitarian. My dealer said they were quite surprised with the level of driving comfort & insulation from noise when the recently drive the DS & Millbrook. The 2.2 is still a bit too clackety, IMHO.

The Macan is a ballistic missile up to 90mph, you can't compare a 6 cyl V6 to 4pot 2.2. My Macan with nice spec was over £55k, the DS HSE Auto with all the bits is £43k, so quite a difference.

[Sevo]

Engine wise I mentioned waiting till the new engines come in and got this response:

"With regards to the “new engine” the only model which they will use the new Ingenium engine for (as previewed in the new Jaguar XE) is for a future low emission, low power, two wheel drive, manual only ED4 variant which will be very low on CO2 and therefore popular with company car drivers but unlikely to be a popular choice for retail customers."


Not sure I believe it, anyone got any thoughts or info?