New Discovery Sport - Who's ordered?

New Discovery Sport - Who's ordered?

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Phil.

4,754 posts

249 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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yellowbentines said:
Good call actually smile
Seems so. Had a written quote from a LR dealer to buy the Evoque (2.5 yrs old and 27k miles) for £31k against a new price of £41k. So a retention of nearly 76% of its value over 2.5 years with average mileage. That's today's price so will be a bit lower by March 15 when I swap. Just shows the continuing demand for the new range of LR products.

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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Phil. said:
Seems so. Had a written quote from a LR dealer to buy the Evoque (2.5 yrs old and 27k miles) for £31k against a new price of £41k. So a retention of nearly 76% of its value over 2.5 years with average mileage. That's today's price so will be a bit lower by March 15 when I swap. Just shows the continuing demand for the new range of LR products.
Assuming the Evoque was a pcp/freedom type purchase. What was/is the GFV for it at 3 year point as £31k is staggeringly good at present. Will the DS perform as well, might be worth a punt, but the old engine vs the new engine might chop the legs of that come trade time?

Phil.

4,754 posts

249 months

Tuesday 9th September 2014
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HarryW said:
Assuming the Evoque was a pcp/freedom type purchase. What was/is the GFV for it at 3 year point as £31k is staggeringly good at present. Will the DS perform as well, might be worth a punt, but the old engine vs the new engine might chop the legs of that come trade time?
The Evoque was a cash purchase so I don't know the GFV. I doubt the DS will be as good in terms of residuals as the Evoque, which are unusually high and unsustainable IMHO. I'm less convinced the new DS engine will impact residuals considerably because the new auto gear box etc. in the current Evoque isn't affecting earlier model residuals. Based on the FFRR and RRS residuals during their first 3 years from launch, I hope the DS will retain more than 50% of new price after 3 years with average mileage. Only time will tell.

yellowbentines

5,296 posts

206 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Popped into my LR dealership today, they aren't expecting a physical model in the showroom until January 2015, but did say they are taking deposits even although they have no allocated build slots yet.

I was also told that unusually they will be rolling them out as courtesy cars ASAP to allow existing customers to experience them (and tempt them to buy) when their car is in the workshop - will need to ensure my Freelander needs some warranty work early next year...shouldn't be a problem, it'll be due it's 6 monthly electrical hissyfit!

hilly10

7,076 posts

227 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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yellowbentines said:
Popped into my LR dealership today, they aren't expecting a physical model in the showroom until January 2015, but did say they are taking deposits even although they have no allocated build slots yet.

I was also told that unusually they will be rolling them out as courtesy cars ASAP to allow existing customers to experience them (and tempt them to buy) when their car is in the workshop - will need to ensure my Freelander needs some warranty work early next year...shouldn't be a problem, it'll be due it's 6 monthly electrical hissyfit!
Ditto That knocking on the rear will get worse come Jan

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Whilst demo models are not until Jan there are preview days where I assume the preproduction versions are available soon. From the DS site the dates and locations are;

11th – 14th September: London (Westfield)
19th – 21st September: South East (Bluewater, Kent)
26th – 28th September: Wales (St David’s Centre, Cardiff)
3rd – 5th October: Midlands (Bullring, Birmingham)
10th – 12th October: South (West Quay, Southampton)
24th – 26th October: Scotland (Buchanan Galleries, Glasgow)
7th – 9th November: North (Trinity, Leeds)
14th – 16th November: Midlands (Highcross, Leicester)

Speak to your local dealer about the first opportunity to test drive the New Discovery Sport when it arrives in January 2015.

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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Daft question what colour is that DS on the main site, I can't match it on the car configurator?

Phil.

4,754 posts

249 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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HarryW said:
Whilst demo models are not until Jan there are preview days where I assume the preproduction versions are available soon. From the DS site the dates and locations are;

11th – 14th September: London (Westfield)
19th – 21st September: South East (Bluewater, Kent)
26th – 28th September: Wales (St David’s Centre, Cardiff)
3rd – 5th October: Midlands (Bullring, Birmingham)
10th – 12th October: South (West Quay, Southampton)
24th – 26th October: Scotland (Buchanan Galleries, Glasgow)
7th – 9th November: North (Trinity, Leeds)
14th – 16th November: Midlands (Highcross, Leicester)

Speak to your local dealer about the first opportunity to test drive the New Discovery Sport when it arrives in January 2015.
Some dealers will have DS for a day before Jan 15 and are organisng viewing events. Invitation only. Mine has such an event in late Sept.

Phil.

4,754 posts

249 months

Wednesday 10th September 2014
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HarryW said:
Daft question what colour is that DS on the main site, I can't match it on the car configurator?
It's Corris Grey in some photo's but looks lighter in others. Whatever colour you decide on, try adding the black pack, it transforms the whole look of the DS IMHO.

Triple7

4,013 posts

236 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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I'm interested to read how many people think that the 'old' 2.2D going in this new Disco Sport is a bad thing and these first editions will get hammered on residuals when the new JLR blocks come online later.....not sure the awful sluggish 2.7 in the Disco/Sport did quite well, until the 3.0 turned up. Yes it would have been good to bring out all new engines with the all. We model, but I don't see the issue.

The 2.2 is very agricultural in it's idling, but smooth and quiet in cruise I must admit, but it is a great engine.

I haven't heard anything about the igneium? JLR 4 cyl I testing or engineering snippets leaking out.....are they any good?

As for the car, I would like to see it in the flesh. Looks great, sexy FL2 if you will, with a bit of XC60, Qashqai, Explorer all mixed in......clamshell bonnet and interior make it for me. Simple but so LR.

S8QUATTRO

843 posts

149 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Looks much better than the FL2,

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Thursday 11th September 2014
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Phil. said:
HarryW said:
Daft question what colour is that DS on the main site, I can't match it on the car configurator?
It's Corris Grey in some photo's but looks lighter in others. Whatever colour you decide on, try adding the black pack, it transforms the whole look of the DS IMHO.
Not sure that's why I asked, it could be the light but it looks like a paler version of kaikoura stone mixed with corris grey.
I'm sure you're right, although it could be scotia grey.......

Edited by HarryW on Thursday 11th September 14:20

smudger911

Original Poster:

494 posts

257 months

Friday 12th September 2014
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Phil. said:
Some dealers will have DS for a day before Jan 15 and are organisng viewing events. Invitation only. Mine has such an event in late Sept.
My dealer where I have a confirmed order for HSE spec have also advised the same. The dealer principle seems fairly sure they will have their first demo DS in December so looking forward to driving then.

Re. existing engines and the new JLR units. Certainly agree the existing 2.2 is somewhat 'unrefined'. That said it works very well and having run 3x for over 180,000 miles they are fairly trouble free. FWIW, I'm more comfortable taking a new DS with the old engine - I'll let someone else test the new engine before ordering a second and replacement HSE DS with the new motor 6 months after launch.

smudger911

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494 posts

257 months

Friday 12th September 2014
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yellowbentines said:
Good call actually smile
Seems some dealers are now off loading their FL2 demo units with up to a £10k discount. Based on some having only 1k miles that would tell me the market for used FL2's into next year as the DS starts delivery will be fairly soft....!

Triple7

4,013 posts

236 months

Friday 12th September 2014
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smudger911 said:
Seems some dealers are now off loading their FL2 demo units with up to a £10k discount. Based on some having only 1k miles that would tell me the market for used FL2's into next year as the DS starts delivery will be fairly soft....!
Not so sure. The DS is not being sold as a FL2 replacement.

I wouldn't want to be sitting in a £25k+ FL2, but as the car essentially hasn't changed since launch they are a great used buy, especially as winter approaches.

We'll see...

jamiesonmurray

71 posts

153 months

Saturday 13th September 2014
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I have put down a deposit to secure the 3rd one my local dealer gets,
he has also assured me i get to preview the demonstrators in October although it said Buchanan Galleries in Glasgow, he said it would be at Gleneagles,
I'm hoping the residual values will be good as it's the main reason i'm even thinking about what is an overpriced product, (IMO)

i'm also considering a Ford Kuga which I can get £5,000 off, bringing me to about £24k
a quick play on the discovery sport configurator and i was at £44k

Is the landrover product really worth £20k more, it's almost twice the price!
I know the new discovery sport will be more premium in every respect and will look better,
plus there's a bit of pride of having a "new shape" something on your driveway,

am i doing the right thing? i can get my deposit back at any time,
i almost put a deposit on a Evoque about a year before they came out, and always wish i did now,
as i doubt the value would have gone down £10k and it would have been a good 3 years!


Phil.

4,754 posts

249 months

Saturday 13th September 2014
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jamiesonmurray said:
i'm also considering a Ford Kuga which I can get £5,000 off, bringing me to about £24k
a quick play on the discovery sport configurator and i was at £44k
The cost of owning a new car is dominated by its depreciation. What is the Kuga going to be worth in 3 years, £10k? If so, then it's lost £14k. A reasonably specified DS (with not too many options that will depreciate 100% over 3 years) will probably lose a similar amount as the Kuga over the same time.

I'm hoping for about an average of £400 per month depreciation on a new DS HSE at £41k over 3 years meaning it will retain 60-65% of its value. That's low % depreciation for any new car but still a £14k cost. At the moment a new £80-£90k FFRR is depreciating by an average of £1k per month or £12k pa!

Whatever the car, new or old, decide how much you want to spend over the planned period of ownership and make sure the depreciation meets your objective. To a certain extent the initial price is less important to the cost of ownership than the depreciation.

Edited by Phil. on Saturday 13th September 09:32

jamiesonmurray

71 posts

153 months

Saturday 13th September 2014
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yes Phil.
I agree with your thinking
hence why i wish i ordered the Evoque before,
I'm not normally into buying new cars, but my father has had excellent success with buying newly released land rover products and keeping them about 6 months then selling them
he did this with the original Range Rover Sport, (he got a orange first edition supercharged, kept it 2 months made £5k on it!)
and the latest Full Fat Range rover, (kept it for 9 months sold it for £2k more than he paid for it)
he just lets the dealer keep his deposit and make sure he gets the first of what ever comes out next,
you have to admit, it's a really good way of driving about in some really nice / expensive cars!

one thing that's putting me off the new DS is talk of them getting launched with the "old engine"
and with technology advancing the way it is, i know the "new Enignum Engine" will be far far better,,, they always are!

Phil.

4,754 posts

249 months

Saturday 13th September 2014
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jamiesonmurray said:
one thing that's putting me off the new DS is talk of them getting launched with the "old engine"
and with technology advancing the way it is, i know the "new Enignum Engine" will be far far better,,, they always are!
Then using your Father's experience buy one of the first DS's and swap it for a new one when the new engine appears smile Having said this I don't think the new engine will have that much of an effect on depreciation in the same way the 9-speed auto hasn't made much difference to the Evoque.

HarryW

15,150 posts

268 months

Saturday 13th September 2014
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Anyone been to the Southampton boat show, understand the DS is on display at the LR stand for early preview, not seen anything about it yet, the show opened yesterday.

Can't make my dealer preview day at the end of the month and this was mentioned, along with freebie tickets to the show smile