Spotted a discovery sport today
Discussion
Aeroresh said:
I dont get it why they're blurring the lines between range rover and land rover badged products with the styling. Land rovers should be chunky and utilitarian surely?...not just a poorer trimmed range rover.
The Disco Sport will have similar trim levels to the Range Rover Evoque. Discos are not poorly trimmed by any means.You'll see chunky and utilitarian in the new Defender line.
Aeroresh said:
That was kind of my point...why not get a rr then? Land rover including discos are supposed to be about function.
All LR's are functional, from the basic Freelander to the Holland and Holland. You think a current Disco 4 is not a luxury car? Nobody wants to buy a boring and poorly equipped car with no luxury and Land Rover is a luxury brand so all the cars will be luxurious up to a point. There are clear duifferentials between Disco Sport and Evoque though and between Evoque and Sport.
Disco 4 is a brilliantly sorted car but whilst its got loads of kit it doesnt feel like a luxury car to me....it still retains that utilitarian feel unlike any of the range rover products.
The problem Ive got if you could call it a problem, is that if you took the badges off all current land rover/ range rover products and parked them all side by side I bet 90% of people would think the new disco sport was a range rover.
That shouldnt be the case imo alhough I can see what JLR are trying to do maybe...create 3 distinct sub brands:- Range Rover, Discovery and Defender. However given the new Dico Sport, Range Rover and Discovery appear to be the morphing into one.
Notwithstanding that Im sure it will sell like hot cakes and be a brilliant car.
The problem Ive got if you could call it a problem, is that if you took the badges off all current land rover/ range rover products and parked them all side by side I bet 90% of people would think the new disco sport was a range rover.
That shouldnt be the case imo alhough I can see what JLR are trying to do maybe...create 3 distinct sub brands:- Range Rover, Discovery and Defender. However given the new Dico Sport, Range Rover and Discovery appear to be the morphing into one.
Notwithstanding that Im sure it will sell like hot cakes and be a brilliant car.
Aeroresh said:
Disco 4 is a brilliantly sorted car but whilst its got loads of kit it doesnt feel like a luxury car to me....it still retains that utilitarian feel unlike any of the range rover products...
I totally agree, had a brand new one as a courtesy car and it certainly did not look or feel luxurious to meit drove/handled very well but just lacked 'class' to justify the price
grand cherokee said:
Aeroresh said:
Disco 4 is a brilliantly sorted car but whilst its got loads of kit it doesnt feel like a luxury car to me....it still retains that utilitarian feel unlike any of the range rover products...
I totally agree, had a brand new one as a courtesy car and it certainly did not look or feel luxurious to meit drove/handled very well but just lacked 'class' to justify the price
Looked at preordering and quickly realised you needed at least a HSE auto and metallic (an option on top) which brought it up to £40k, even a base SE auto with metallic knocked the door of £35k. Both at least £5k too rich IMHO. I'll wait a bit and see what next years launches bring.
HarryW said:
Ditto the DS, sat in one in September and thought is this worth £45k+ as it was a HSE Lux, my head said no. Nice looking, perhaps a bit to Kia Sportage from some angles, you can see the RR family in the front end, but similar money buts you a better equipped and more luxurious Evoque.
Looked at preordering and quickly realised you needed at least a HSE auto and metallic (an option on top) which brought it up to £40k, even a base SE auto with metallic knocked the door of £35k. Both at least £5k too rich IMHO. I'll wait a bit and see what next years launches bring.
The HSE LUX has the Oxford leather interior like an Evoque Prestige. The HSE LUX here will be $46,495, add climate for $1300 and you've got a very nicely equipped and slightly larger car for a couple of grand less than a Pure Plus Premium Evoque. I am expecting it to sell in huge numbers.Looked at preordering and quickly realised you needed at least a HSE auto and metallic (an option on top) which brought it up to £40k, even a base SE auto with metallic knocked the door of £35k. Both at least £5k too rich IMHO. I'll wait a bit and see what next years launches bring.
unrepentant said:
The HSE LUX has the Oxford leather interior like an Evoque Prestige. The HSE LUX here will be $46,495, add climate for $1300 and you've got a very nicely equipped and slightly larger car for a couple of grand less than a Pure Plus Premium Evoque. I am expecting it to sell in huge numbers.
I think we discovered in a previous thread that pricing in the UK seems to be the opposite to the US, i.e. Evoque is less expensive for similar spec?yellowbentines said:
unrepentant said:
The HSE LUX has the Oxford leather interior like an Evoque Prestige. The HSE LUX here will be $46,495, add climate for $1300 and you've got a very nicely equipped and slightly larger car for a couple of grand less than a Pure Plus Premium Evoque. I am expecting it to sell in huge numbers.
I think we discovered in a previous thread that pricing in the UK seems to be the opposite to the US, i.e. Evoque is less expensive for similar spec?I want to replace our 07 D3. Bought it ex demo in Oct 07, Just an XS spec and was £32K. I popped into the dealer and they had a top spec D4 for £65K (or am I dreaming). Well done LR for such high prices and great sales volumes. Not sure I can pay that sort of money for a disco (or even 'only' £50K or so it just seems over priced for the quality of car). But I do love a disco.
HarryW said:
yellowbentines said:
unrepentant said:
The HSE LUX has the Oxford leather interior like an Evoque Prestige. The HSE LUX here will be $46,495, add climate for $1300 and you've got a very nicely equipped and slightly larger car for a couple of grand less than a Pure Plus Premium Evoque. I am expecting it to sell in huge numbers.
I think we discovered in a previous thread that pricing in the UK seems to be the opposite to the US, i.e. Evoque is less expensive for similar spec?As to global differences, it's market pricing. You will find that all brands cost a little less here, after all we have no VAT, although you have to add sales tax in most states. By the same token a RR that costs $90k here costs 90k pounds in the UK and $200k in China.
Gazzab said:
I want to replace our 07 D3. Bought it ex demo in Oct 07, Just an XS spec and was £32K. I popped into the dealer and they had a top spec D4 for £65K (or am I dreaming). Well done LR for such high prices and great sales volumes. Not sure I can pay that sort of money for a disco (or even 'only' £50K or so it just seems over priced for the quality of car). But I do love a disco.
LR certainly have increased their prices significantly over the last few years. I looked at a new L405 s/c to replace my 7 year old L322 s/c but don't have a spare £120k right now!Aeroresh said:
I dont get it why they're blurring the lines between range rover and land rover badged products with the styling. Land rovers should be chunky and utilitarian surely?...not just a poorer trimmed range rover.
Must say the pics above make it look very girly....aiming at women of a certain age who would maybe otherwise be driving a Honda CR-V or RAV?
Needs beefing up imo!
I think it looks good. Must say the pics above make it look very girly....aiming at women of a certain age who would maybe otherwise be driving a Honda CR-V or RAV?
Needs beefing up imo!
The Freelander has had what, nearly 20 years of production?
9 years for the Freelander 2?
The Freelander 2 has got more and more sleek over the years imho and this is the replacement.
It has also looked more and more like a smaller Disco too, with the grilles matching, same signature led headlights etc.
With the sleeker lines of the RR, RRS and Evoque selling so well it was obvious they were going to take styling cues from them for the new FL and new Disco.
I think once we start seeing them in off road environments they will look more like Land Rovers....
unrepentant said:
Whatever the market there should still be a differential between and Evoque and a Disco Sport. Evoque is a RR after all.
As to global differences, it's market pricing. You will find that all brands cost a little less here, after all we have no VAT, although you have to add sales tax in most states. By the same token a RR that costs $90k here costs 90k pounds in the UK and $200k in China.
I think the point was missed, there IS a difference in the UK, the Range Rover is CHEAPER than the Land Rover when comparing similar spec Discovery Sport to Evoque, or thats what it appeared to me last time I looked.As to global differences, it's market pricing. You will find that all brands cost a little less here, after all we have no VAT, although you have to add sales tax in most states. By the same token a RR that costs $90k here costs 90k pounds in the UK and $200k in China.
As for market pricing, does the US market have the same proportikn of leasing and PCP contracts as in the UK? Just curious as the aforementioned allow the UK public to pay way over what a vehicle is worth as its all about monthly payment and residual to most, list price almost becomes an irrelevance.
yellowbentines said:
unrepentant said:
Whatever the market there should still be a differential between and Evoque and a Disco Sport. Evoque is a RR after all.
As to global differences, it's market pricing. You will find that all brands cost a little less here, after all we have no VAT, although you have to add sales tax in most states. By the same token a RR that costs $90k here costs 90k pounds in the UK and $200k in China.
I think the point was missed, there IS a difference in the UK, the Range Rover is CHEAPER than the Land Rover when comparing similar spec Discovery Sport to Evoque, or thats what it appeared to me last time I looked.As to global differences, it's market pricing. You will find that all brands cost a little less here, after all we have no VAT, although you have to add sales tax in most states. By the same token a RR that costs $90k here costs 90k pounds in the UK and $200k in China.
As for market pricing, does the US market have the same proportikn of leasing and PCP contracts as in the UK? Just curious as the aforementioned allow the UK public to pay way over what a vehicle is worth as its all about monthly payment and residual to most, list price almost becomes an irrelevance.
From my experience sales are split pretty equally between cash and finance with leasing being some way back.
unrepentant said:
The HSE LUX has the Oxford leather interior like an Evoque Prestige. The HSE LUX here will be $46,495, add climate for $1300 and you've got a very nicely equipped and slightly larger car for a couple of grand less than a Pure Plus Premium Evoque. I am expecting it to sell in huge numbers.
That makes the cost in USA circa £30,000 for a top of the range. How is it they are so much cheaper taking it also they have to ship it across the pondhilly10 said:
unrepentant said:
The HSE LUX has the Oxford leather interior like an Evoque Prestige. The HSE LUX here will be $46,495, add climate for $1300 and you've got a very nicely equipped and slightly larger car for a couple of grand less than a Pure Plus Premium Evoque. I am expecting it to sell in huge numbers.
That makes the cost in USA circa £30,000 for a top of the range. How is it they are so much cheaper taking it also they have to ship it across the pondSo assuming a sales tax of 6% and shipping expense of 1k, net price is around 28k including dealer margin. Transpising for here, add UK 20% vat that equates to the HSE lux retailing for roughly 33k in the UK, shame it is 43k.
Can't reconcile the extra 10k in price here for a UK built car, some care to explain its not extracting the urine...
HarryW said:
hilly10 said:
unrepentant said:
The HSE LUX has the Oxford leather interior like an Evoque Prestige. The HSE LUX here will be $46,495, add climate for $1300 and you've got a very nicely equipped and slightly larger car for a couple of grand less than a Pure Plus Premium Evoque. I am expecting it to sell in huge numbers.
That makes the cost in USA circa £30,000 for a top of the range. How is it they are so much cheaper taking it also they have to ship it across the pondSo assuming a sales tax of 6% and shipping expense of 1k, net price is around 28k including dealer margin. Transpising for here, add UK 20% vat that equates to the HSE lux retailing for roughly 33k in the UK, shame it is 43k.
Can't reconcile the extra 10k in price here for a UK built car, some care to explain its not extracting the urine...
Also we do not currently sell diesel engines, all our cars have the petrol engines which are usually a little less expensive. Let's compare a like for like car;
Take a FFRR ATB SWB with a V8. Your price is 100,350 pounds. Our price is $138,000. That price is without sales tax or tags (road fund license).
Take $138k and add 20% as a like for like comparison with VAT. That's $165,600. The pound is trading at $1.56 but let's use $1.60, that's 103,500 pounds.
unrepentant said:
HarryW said:
hilly10 said:
unrepentant said:
The HSE LUX has the Oxford leather interior like an Evoque Prestige. The HSE LUX here will be $46,495, add climate for $1300 and you've got a very nicely equipped and slightly larger car for a couple of grand less than a Pure Plus Premium Evoque. I am expecting it to sell in huge numbers.
That makes the cost in USA circa £30,000 for a top of the range. How is it they are so much cheaper taking it also they have to ship it across the pondSo assuming a sales tax of 6% and shipping expense of 1k, net price is around 28k including dealer margin. Transpising for here, add UK 20% vat that equates to the HSE lux retailing for roughly 33k in the UK, shame it is 43k.
Can't reconcile the extra 10k in price here for a UK built car, some care to explain its not extracting the urine...
Also we do not currently sell diesel engines, all our cars have the petrol engines which are usually a little less expensive. Let's compare a like for like car;
Take a FFRR ATB SWB with a V8. Your price is 100,350 pounds. Our price is $138,000. That price is without sales tax or tags (road fund license).
Take $138k and add 20% as a like for like comparison with VAT. That's $165,600. The pound is trading at $1.56 but let's use $1.60, that's 103,500 pounds.
HarryW said:
Do the math for DS, list (not vat or our additions) is £35k5 in the UK for HSE Lux. Using the 1.56 exchange rate means the DS would retail in the US for $55k before sales tax or tag....not forgetting shipping costs from the UK........
You have it the wrong way round. Take the HSE LUX at 35k pounds and remove the VAT and you're at 29,170. At 1.56 you're at $45,505 pre sales tax, we're at $46,495. Add the VAT back in and you're at $54600, with average sales tax of 7% we're at $49,749. It's the VAT that screws you.Gassing Station | Land Rover | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff