L322 Reliability. Early vs Late models
Discussion
Hi All,
Allow me to set the scene..
Earlier this winter, i bought a 2004 FFRR Vogue from a private seller found on ebay. It was close, so i thought i would have a gamble.
The car was in decent condition, FSH, only 4 owners (not too many for a 2004) and was all importantly a V8 fitted with LPG.
Anyhow, i almost immediately got the dreaded air suspension inactive warning, and a funny noise from under the bonnet.
I bottled it and sold it on via ebay with the stated faults, and got a little less than paid. New owner thinks he'll need to replace water pump and air compressor and will be good to go.
Perhaps i should have simply stuck with it - but these two faults in quick succession lead me to believe it may be a money pit of a car.
ANYHOW -
I have now realised my life is not complete without an L322 - and i look at other L322s on the road with a sense of deep jealousy. I need to get another. After my short period of ownership i now "get" why people stick with these cars for years, even if the running costs are not great. Oh and the mrs does not like the ride in my z4 compared to the rangie.
So - this lead me to think - surely the old, ratty high milers, early cars will be less reliable than the newer revised models.
I was considering a diesel 2009 / 2010 model - I understand there are new engines after 2010 - do these return better mpg? 3.6 tdv8 vs newer 4.4 tdv8?
Are the later cars more reliable or is that wishful thinking?
Cheers
Allow me to set the scene..
Earlier this winter, i bought a 2004 FFRR Vogue from a private seller found on ebay. It was close, so i thought i would have a gamble.
The car was in decent condition, FSH, only 4 owners (not too many for a 2004) and was all importantly a V8 fitted with LPG.
Anyhow, i almost immediately got the dreaded air suspension inactive warning, and a funny noise from under the bonnet.
I bottled it and sold it on via ebay with the stated faults, and got a little less than paid. New owner thinks he'll need to replace water pump and air compressor and will be good to go.
Perhaps i should have simply stuck with it - but these two faults in quick succession lead me to believe it may be a money pit of a car.
ANYHOW -
I have now realised my life is not complete without an L322 - and i look at other L322s on the road with a sense of deep jealousy. I need to get another. After my short period of ownership i now "get" why people stick with these cars for years, even if the running costs are not great. Oh and the mrs does not like the ride in my z4 compared to the rangie.
So - this lead me to think - surely the old, ratty high milers, early cars will be less reliable than the newer revised models.
I was considering a diesel 2009 / 2010 model - I understand there are new engines after 2010 - do these return better mpg? 3.6 tdv8 vs newer 4.4 tdv8?
Are the later cars more reliable or is that wishful thinking?
Cheers
Wishfull thinking, I had a facelift 09 and now own a 12, both have had issues and it is all part of ownership I am afraid. Best to get an approved used warranty.
However nothing else compares, nor has such a broad depth of ability and that is why owners stick with them.
The later car is an improvement in both performance and mpg.
Ashley
However nothing else compares, nor has such a broad depth of ability and that is why owners stick with them.
The later car is an improvement in both performance and mpg.
Ashley
Well my RRS 3.6 2009 blew up on day one with suspension hitting the bump stops at 80mph on the m25 !!
Had a 2002 range rover and that was good as gold right up to 145k miles when the compressor failed.
Range rover classic in full rebuild at god knows what cost !!
God knows why I am addicted to range rovers !!
Phib
Had a 2002 range rover and that was good as gold right up to 145k miles when the compressor failed.
Range rover classic in full rebuild at god knows what cost !!
God knows why I am addicted to range rovers !!
Phib
Damn... I was hoping you'd come along and tell me that all rangies made after 2010 are faultless and great. I knew deep inside that this was not to be the case.
So the argument tilts back to picking up a well maintained earlier and cheaper model that will lose less in depreciation to offset fixing costs?
Either this or an approved used / warranty? Are the LR warranties any good?
It's a bit of a sadistic addiction.
So the argument tilts back to picking up a well maintained earlier and cheaper model that will lose less in depreciation to offset fixing costs?
Either this or an approved used / warranty? Are the LR warranties any good?
It's a bit of a sadistic addiction.
In fairness the LR warranty on both has been great (including breakdown), and the dealers very helpfull.
I would not want to run one out of warranty as costs can soon rack up (a parking sensor issue flushed out other problems that amounted to well over £2k work), and the dependency I have on the vehicle combined with lack of time to fix it.
Ashley
I would not want to run one out of warranty as costs can soon rack up (a parking sensor issue flushed out other problems that amounted to well over £2k work), and the dependency I have on the vehicle combined with lack of time to fix it.
Ashley
I'm on my second L322 and, like you, simply cannot imagine life without a RR from now on.
My first was an '02 V8 and my current is an '07 SC.
The '02 blew its steering motors early on but that was about all. My '07 has just had the fuel tank senders replaced and that's the only thing she's needed (so far) in two years of ownership, other than routine servicing.
The specialists I know suggest the earlier models with the BMW engines are more troublesome.
Can't comment on the TDV8's but I would urge you to try a SC model before you commit.
My first was an '02 V8 and my current is an '07 SC.
The '02 blew its steering motors early on but that was about all. My '07 has just had the fuel tank senders replaced and that's the only thing she's needed (so far) in two years of ownership, other than routine servicing.
The specialists I know suggest the earlier models with the BMW engines are more troublesome.
Can't comment on the TDV8's but I would urge you to try a SC model before you commit.
athomp04 said:
In fairness the LR warranty on both has been great (including breakdown), and the dealers very helpfull.
I would not want to run one out of warranty as costs can soon rack up (a parking sensor issue flushed out other problems that amounted to well over £2k work), and the dependency I have on the vehicle combined with lack of time to fix it.
Ashley
Good stuff. Seems like an approved used would be the way to go. Do they have a cut off point for taking out extended warranties e.g 5 years old / 100k miles? Or do you have to source via land rover?I would not want to run one out of warranty as costs can soon rack up (a parking sensor issue flushed out other problems that amounted to well over £2k work), and the dependency I have on the vehicle combined with lack of time to fix it.
Ashley
SimesJH said:
Can't comment on the TDV8's but I would urge you to try a SC model before you commit.
Don't tempt me! My ideal car would be a 2010 model supercharged in stornoway grey with light/cream/ivory interior. Wurls said:
I've just traded in a 2011 4.4 TDV8.
I would sum the experience up by saying relatively unreliable cars but good manufacturer warranties and support.
Seems like consensus is to simply run one under warranty...I would sum the experience up by saying relatively unreliable cars but good manufacturer warranties and support.
- Opens land rover approved used site in another tab **
The Land Rover extended warranty is nothing to write home about: it's an insurance scheme rather than a continuation of the no-holds-barred manufacturer warranty.
You might find that you can arrive at a better deal with one of the aftermarket warranty providers - Warranty Direct et al - and not have to worry about claims being rejected on the basis of wear and tear or betterment.
You might find that you can arrive at a better deal with one of the aftermarket warranty providers - Warranty Direct et al - and not have to worry about claims being rejected on the basis of wear and tear or betterment.
The thing is, with a decent indie the jobs that you sold yours over wouldn't be the end of the world, air compressor about £400-£500 not sure on the water pump as I've never had one go.
Are the later ones nicer?, undoubtedly but they still have their quirks, just usually they get fixed under warranty.
I've got a 4.4 running LPG but am looking to upgrade to an 07/08 TDV8 mainly because I always seem to get caught short finding LPG at the moment.
Are the later ones nicer?, undoubtedly but they still have their quirks, just usually they get fixed under warranty.
I've got a 4.4 running LPG but am looking to upgrade to an 07/08 TDV8 mainly because I always seem to get caught short finding LPG at the moment.
Walter Sobchak said:
I've got a 4.4 running LPG but am looking to upgrade to an 07/08 TDV8 mainly because I always seem to get caught short finding LPG at the moment.
Oh that reminds me, fuel pump on mine had given up - would only run on lpg.I would get out in the middle of nowhere and realise I had 1 light of lpg left and be left hoping to hell there was a shell garage close by!
I fancy a 59/10 plate facelift, I think they look great and the interior changes freshen it up a bit.
trowelhead said:
Oh that reminds me, fuel pump on mine had given up - would only run on lpg.
I would get out in the middle of nowhere and realise I had 1 light of lpg left and be left hoping to hell there was a shell garage close by!
I fancy a 59/10 plate facelift, I think they look great and the interior changes freshen it up a bit.
I'd love a 59/10 reg one too, I really think the holographic dials look cool, they're still a bit to expensive for me at the moment, think I'd rather get an 07 or so and save the money.I would get out in the middle of nowhere and realise I had 1 light of lpg left and be left hoping to hell there was a shell garage close by!
I fancy a 59/10 plate facelift, I think they look great and the interior changes freshen it up a bit.
If I were going to get one of the late ones though I'd try and go for a 60-11 reg one so it would come with the 4.4 engine and the 8 speed box too.
I've got a reasonably late one - an '08. I've had it from new and it's been faultless. In fact, one of the reasons I've been hanging on to it, is that I read so many horror stories, I can't help but think that I just got very lucky.
If you do get a good one - like mine - then it really is a wonderful ownership experience.
If you do get a good one - like mine - then it really is a wonderful ownership experience.
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