New Evoque TD4 - bad drive & terrible mpg?
Discussion
Phil Dicky said:
CSK1 said:
I had an Ejoke on loan for a week while my L405 5.0 SC AB was in for a service. Awful car. The L405 handles way better while weighing so much more. It shouldn't be allowed the Range Rover badge. It is a tarted up Freelander but a Range Rover it ain't! It suffered turbo lag, it was uncomfortable and it looks garish. I haven't used it for a week, just the drive from and to the dealer, didn't want to take it out for a drive in between which kind of speaks for itself. I'd rather walk than drive an Ejoke!
Are you seriously, comparing a FFRR to an Evogue? The fact is they both wear the Range Rover badge, one is worthy of it the other not. I'm not comparing two cars aimed at different markets, just pointing out the fact.
You should understand what I'm trying to explain: you do know the X-type you have owned was in fact a rebodied Ford Mondeo so not a proper Jaguar. The Ejoke is a Land Rover model but not a Range Rover, no matter what the badge says!
Edited by CSK1 on Wednesday 23 December 14:04
CSK1 said:
Phil Dicky said:
CSK1 said:
I had an Ejoke on loan for a week while my L405 5.0 SC AB was in for a service. Awful car. The L405 handles way better while weighing so much more. It shouldn't be allowed the Range Rover badge. It is a tarted up Freelander but a Range Rover it ain't! It suffered turbo lag, it was uncomfortable and it looks garish. I haven't used it for a week, just the drive from and to the dealer, didn't want to take it out for a drive in between which kind of speaks for itself. I'd rather walk than drive an Ejoke!
Are you seriously, comparing a FFRR to an Evogue? The fact is they both wear the Range Rover badge, one is worthy of it the other not. I'm not comparing two cars aimed at different markets, just pointing out the fact.
You should understand what I'm trying to explain: you do know the X-type you have owned was in fact a rebodied Ford Mondeo so not a proper Jaguar. The Ejoke is a Land Rover model but not a Range Rover, no matter what the badge says!
Edited by CSK1 on Wednesday 23 December 14:04
Mrs Digga did the LR Experience using their (brand new, 14 odd miles on the odometer!) Evoque and I went along as a passenger. I've done this stuff previously in Disco and also a Defender, so I;d got an idea of what's possible and was hugely impressed by the off road capability, especially the stability on cross gradients.
32mpg... not much better than what I was getting, seems pretty underwhelming doesn't it - as I said, my 2.5+ tonne L405 4.4SDV8 gets about 33-35mpg at those speeds, so I don't understand why the Evoque would be worse. It should be much better!
I just did the off road experience too, though in the L405, it certainly was impressive. Lovely location too - at Eastnor. If we buy the Evoque I'll book us in for a half day with that to see how it compares!
I just did the off road experience too, though in the L405, it certainly was impressive. Lovely location too - at Eastnor. If we buy the Evoque I'll book us in for a half day with that to see how it compares!
andysgriff said:
For me that is a joke of a car, whats the point?
The point is that it will make tons of money for JLR. I hazard a guess the likes of you and I aren't the target customer. It's a bit of a pointless car to me, like a BMW X6, but that doesn't make it crap or a joke. Just not the car for me.
I also have little doubt it will very good at everything it is designed to do,
Land Rover have finally cottoned on to product development and they should be applauded for this. Look at all the wierd and wonderful - as well as practical - aftermarket conversions that used to be offered on the original Range Rover platform, all the while Land Rover were doing very little to develop the base car. A 1970 RR isn't really that much different from one 20 years younger. The cash those converters made could have been Land Rover money if they bothered to look at what customers really wanted from their products.
The Defender is another example of under development and missed opportunities. Tragic that it has become a must have for a lot of folks now it's going out of production. Firms like Twisted have been making money out of specc'd up Defenders, not JLR. The fact that the final factory built special editions are selling like hot cakes only demonstrates how late JLR were in maximising the appeal of their products.
20 years ago they sold a V8 Defender 90 as a cool lifestyle vehicle in the States. Legislation changed and instead of adapting Defenders left the US market. A massive market place just written off. I've read that people jump through all sorts of hoops to import Defenders into the states.
Lopping the roof off a RRE makes sense and may well appeal to the customer who wants to move on from her - note the gender - Mini. The Yanks will love it. The Chinese will probably love it so much they'll take an angle grinder to a Land Wind - if they haven't already.
It is great that JLR is looking at its successful models and having a think about new models, untapped niche markets.
Great for JLR the UK export figures and for thousands of Brummies and Scousers who make Land Rovers.
This car is anything but a joke.
Edited by wildcat45 on Wednesday 6th January 22:00
wildcat45 said:
andysgriff said:
For me that is a joke of a car, whats the point?
The point is that it will make tons of money for JLR. I hazard a guess the likes of you and I aren't the target customer. It's a bit of a pointless car to me, like a BMW X6, but that doesn't make it crap or a joke. Just not the car for me.
I also have little doubt it will very good at everything it is designed to do,
Land Rover have finally cottoned on to product development and they should be applauded for this. Look at all the wierd and wonderful - as well as practical - aftermarket conversions that used to be offered on the original Range Rover platform, all the while Land Rover were doing very little to develop the base car. A 1970 RR isn't really that much different from one 20 years younger. The cash those converters made could have been Land Rover money if they bothered to look at what customers really wanted from their products.
The Defender is another example of under development and missed opportunities. Tragic that it has become a must have for a lot of folks now it's going out of production. Firms like Twisted have been making money out of specc'd up Defenders, not JLR. The fact that the final factory built special editions are selling like hot cakes only demonstrates how late JLR were in maximising the appeal of their products.
20 years ago they sold a V8 Defender 90 as a cool lifestyle vehicle in the States. Legislation changed and instead of adapting Defenders left the US market. A massive market place just written off. I've read that people jump through all sorts of hoops to import Defenders into the states.
Lopping the roof off a RRE makes sense and may well appeal to the customer who wants to move on from her - note the gender - Mini. The Yanjs will love it. The Chinese will probably live it so much they'll take an angle grinder to a Land Wind - if they haven't already.
It is great that JLR is looking at its successful models and having a think about new models, untapped niche markets.
Great for JLR the UK export figures and for thousands of Brummies and Scousers who make Land Rovers.
This car is anything but a joke.
It can still drive around from A-to-B same as any other car, is fashionable, cool looking, a bit of fun being able to take the hood off, and won't get stuck in a festival car park or if there is ever a bit of snow, etc.
I'd say it has far more practical usages than say a Ferrari 488
hehe.
It's a quirky/fun car that is also premium enough to be a fashionable car too, good on 'em really. The more variety the better.
I'd say it has far more practical usages than say a Ferrari 488
hehe.It's a quirky/fun car that is also premium enough to be a fashionable car too, good on 'em really. The more variety the better.
sealtt said:
It can still drive around from A-to-B same as any other car, is fashionable, cool looking, a bit of fun being able to take the hood off, and won't get stuck in a festival car park or if there is ever a bit of snow, etc.
I'd say it has far more practical usages than say a Ferrari 488 hehe.
It's a quirky/fun car that is also premium enough to be a fashionable car too, good on 'em really. The more variety the better.
Er no, it's actually all about people wanting to show the world 'my new handbag'.. nothing to do with the capabilities of the car, 99.9999999% of owners will never go off road. Joke of a car.I'd say it has far more practical usages than say a Ferrari 488
hehe.It's a quirky/fun car that is also premium enough to be a fashionable car too, good on 'em really. The more variety the better.
andysgriff said:
sealtt said:
It can still drive around from A-to-B same as any other car, is fashionable, cool looking, a bit of fun being able to take the hood off, and won't get stuck in a festival car park or if there is ever a bit of snow, etc.
I'd say it has far more practical usages than say a Ferrari 488 hehe.
It's a quirky/fun car that is also premium enough to be a fashionable car too, good on 'em really. The more variety the better.
Er no, it's actually all about people wanting to show the world 'my new handbag'.. nothing to do with the capabilities of the car, 99.9999999% of owners will never go off road. Joke of a car.I'd say it has far more practical usages than say a Ferrari 488
hehe.It's a quirky/fun car that is also premium enough to be a fashionable car too, good on 'em really. The more variety the better.
Edited by sealtt on Wednesday 6th January 22:55
sealtt said:
andysgriff said:
sealtt said:
It can still drive around from A-to-B same as any other car, is fashionable, cool looking, a bit of fun being able to take the hood off, and won't get stuck in a festival car park or if there is ever a bit of snow, etc.
I'd say it has far more practical usages than say a Ferrari 488 hehe.
It's a quirky/fun car that is also premium enough to be a fashionable car too, good on 'em really. The more variety the better.
Er no, it's actually all about people wanting to show the world 'my new handbag'.. nothing to do with the capabilities of the car, 99.9999999% of owners will never go off road. Joke of a car.I'd say it has far more practical usages than say a Ferrari 488
hehe.It's a quirky/fun car that is also premium enough to be a fashionable car too, good on 'em really. The more variety the better.
Edited by sealtt on Wednesday 6th January 22:55
Haha, Ah well, beyond the A-to-B basics, it's all just a bit of fun in the scheme of things anyway. Let them have their joke and enjoy it - after all, spotting your garage... isn't it a bit of a joke to use 800bhp+ to transport around a human being or two - I'm sure you enjoy it though
andysgriff said:
Ok I agree its basically a marketing success, much like a good handbag or an Audi TT, but what practical use can it offer?
Define practical use?Unlikely but it could possibly be used to haul bales of hay around a farm just the same as a Series 1 or a supercharged L405.
Possibly pull a boat.
Possibly be of use in some sort of posh ski resort.
Possibly appeal to someone who lives up a rough track on the side of a mountain somewhere like Cyprus.
Possibly be bought by an orange lady to ponce around in.
Possibly be bought by someone who wants to trade up from say a Mini convertible or an Audi Drop top.
Possibly be bought by Calufornian Valley Girl types
It's not supposed to be a Discovery Defender or whatever.
How practical is an F Type, Bentley GT, MX-5? If it fits the customer's requirements then it is practical.
As i said, to me as a buyer of JLR products it is impractical for my requirements. Just as impractical as a Defender.
If you want a 'joke' car you only need to look in the two roads around me. A suburban environment where there are least 3 Defenders of various bespoke specifications. One with tyres so thin it'd slide of dry Tarmac, recaro seats and a massive spare wheel in the wood lined load area, another loaded with winches, ladders, snorkel etc and a 110 with lots of aluminium matting all over it.
All cars I happen to like very much and covet but in a city? Really? Practical use? I reckon a RRE tin top or soft top is of more practical use in my local environment than the clutch of local to me Defenders.
Edited by wildcat45 on Wednesday 6th January 23:19
sealtt said:
The RR will be staying regardless, the Evoque would be an additional car for different usage. So I am not comparing the two, it's more between the Evoque and Macan. I just mentioned the RR as a point of reference.
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Any more thoughts on the. 27mpg at 70mph on the motorway?
I have an Si4 petrol with the old 6 speed auto box and mine does more than that so I can't imagine that a new diesel with the 9 speed does that badly.-
Any more thoughts on the. 27mpg at 70mph on the motorway?
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