Defender upgrades
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Something I am involved in gave me the opportunity to do an test emergency stop from 80 mph in a controlled environment. although the brakes did exactly what they should and would have locked the wheels solid should I have been stupid enough, the 90 took twice the distance to stop as a Police Audi. Different pads disks or calipers would have had no effect. The only thing to upgrade is the nut that holds the steering wheel.
BlueBarn said:
So you 'upgraded' the brakes and fitted open tread tyres to a non-ABS equipped car. And you cruise at 85-90 all day long? Interesting recipe!
Its absolutely fine, no idea why an ABS car would make any difference ? Cadence braking will stop it as fast as ABS, grew up racing (non ABS cars, Tuscan's) I think what I said was it will cruise all day long at 85-90, probably only do that once a month and its not all day long.
I haven't seen negative effects with A/t's (265 75 16) which are standard.
Combination of the brakes and Twisted suspension stop most of the weight transfer which is where my old defenders suffered
Its no Ferrari but its 100% better than standard
Phib
Dixy said:
Only if you have 4 feet to operate 4 break peddles and 4 backsides to sense 4 wheels.
Ok ok !! Blimey ! All I was trying to say was a defender with better brakes, better suspension, more contact with the road will probably stop better than a standard one !!!
Let's leave it at that !!
Phib
Dammit! I was saving that one for later!Crossflow Kid said:
So the big heavy 4x4 took longer to stop than the lightweight exec saloon? I'd never have guessed that!
It was for the terminally slow of thinking like you who could not guess it that I posted. No parrot required. Crossflow Kid said:
And why "police" Audi? Does that make any difference other than making us all go "Oooh......a police car"?
It might enlighten some that it was not young farmer Giles and his mates in a country lane.The surprising thing was that the empty Mercedes Sprinter stopped in almost the same distance as the Audi(no need to go Oooh this time)
Dixy said:
The surprising thing was that the empty Mercedes Sprinter stopped in almost the same distance as the Audi(no need to go Oooh this time)
Is that another covert attempt at weeding out the dullards?Dixy said:
Iet might enlighten some that it was not young farmer Giles and his mates in a country lane.
I still fail to see the relevance (but then I am a bit hard of finking......allegedly)Even the police can't break the laws of physics so it makes zero difference who was driving, in fact, Farmer Giles and his mates are probably better behind the wheel of a Land Rover than plod, I mean think about it.....out of the two, who drives them the most often?
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 20th April 08:44
Crossflow Kid said:
I still fail to see the relevance (but then I am a bit hard of finking......allegedly)
Even the police can't break the laws of physics so it makes zero difference who was driving, in fact, Farmer Giles and his mates are probably better behind the wheel of a Land Rover than plod, I mean think about it.....out of the two, who drives them the most often?
You see when I give you facts you get petulant (empty,police) and when I fail to say the policeman was driving the police car and I (far from young) was driving the Defender you go off on wild assumptions.Even the police can't break the laws of physics so it makes zero difference who was driving, in fact, Farmer Giles and his mates are probably better behind the wheel of a Land Rover than plod, I mean think about it.....out of the two, who drives them the most often?
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Wednesday 20th April 08:44
Oh sorry, did you want the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?
The OP had wanted to upgrade the breaks and I and others had said they work as well as they can, spending money on changing discs, pads or calipers would make no difference, its just a big mass to stop.
Someone else then commented that he cruised along at 80 mph all day and the point I wanted to make was dont just rely on a 2 second gap as a modern euro box and even the DHL van will stop in a much shorter distance. The only consolation when you hit them is they do provide the crumple zone.
Someone else then commented that he cruised along at 80 mph all day and the point I wanted to make was dont just rely on a 2 second gap as a modern euro box and even the DHL van will stop in a much shorter distance. The only consolation when you hit them is they do provide the crumple zone.
Dixy said:
The OP had wanted to upgrade the breaks and I and others had said they work as well as they can, spending money on changing discs, pads or calipers would make no difference, its just a big mass to stop.
Someone else then commented that he cruised along at 80 mph all day and the point I wanted to make was dont just rely on a 2 second gap as a modern euro box and even the DHL van will stop in a much shorter distance. The only consolation when you hit them is they do provide the crumple zone.
A Defender uses the same brAkes as a Range Rover Classic, or Disco 1, which are essentially the same as a Disco 2 or P38a Range Rover. The Defender weighs less, so if anything should pull up quicker and will suffer less brake fade.Someone else then commented that he cruised along at 80 mph all day and the point I wanted to make was dont just rely on a 2 second gap as a modern euro box and even the DHL van will stop in a much shorter distance. The only consolation when you hit them is they do provide the crumple zone.
If you are implying the Defender is not safe, then you are also saying neither are the others.
I don't want to get into the whole irrelevant points but what is the relevance of cruising at 80mph and the 2 second rule !!!
I don't remember you being in my car when I am crusing along to work out if I am 2 seconds or 10 seconds behind the car in front or the op is either !
If you think a standard defender will 'perform' as well as one that has had some fast road improvements and you have owned both then that's fine
It's just not my experience after 3 X 50ths , a td5, 200 tdi, 3 X 300tdi and 2 X 2.4 tdci's.
Let's just all agree to disagree
No they will not be a Ferrari ( I have 2 !!) but can be a bit better Imho
Phib
I don't remember you being in my car when I am crusing along to work out if I am 2 seconds or 10 seconds behind the car in front or the op is either !
If you think a standard defender will 'perform' as well as one that has had some fast road improvements and you have owned both then that's fine
It's just not my experience after 3 X 50ths , a td5, 200 tdi, 3 X 300tdi and 2 X 2.4 tdci's.
Let's just all agree to disagree
No they will not be a Ferrari ( I have 2 !!) but can be a bit better Imho
Phib
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